Reality or Imagination?

[gladict]

When someone smokes dmt, are they really accessing other dimensions, or is it just their subconscious/imagination? Are the entities real or not? It seems way to coincidental that it is found everywhere in nature, and it's produced in large amounts when we are born and when we die. Everyone has a unique imagination, so why exactly would we all see very similar things? I could see it being real and also just being pure imagination.

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What do you guys think?

 

[Guyomech]

I think this is one of those things where you need to be able to hold two seemingly contradictory truths in your mind simultaneously... Because it's both.

My DMT experiences always feel like I'm witnessing a revealing visualization of my inner self. At the same time, the boundaries of my "self" at these moments is expanded way beyond the meat-bag who is sitting here typing.

I know that's a logical/illogical answer... Welcome to the world of psychedelics.

 

[universecannon]

I think this is one of those things where you need to be able to hold two seemingly contradictory truths in your mind simultaneously... Because it's both.

My DMT experiences always feel like I'm witnessing a revealing visualization of my inner self. At the same time, the boundaries of my "self" at these moments is expanded way beyond the meat-bag who is sitting here typing.

I know that's a logical/illogical answer... Welcome to the world of psychedelics.

^ i often lean heavily towards a similar position

 

[gladict]

I think that's actually a really good answer.

edit: it is frustrating not knowing the truth though. i have had five experiences with this molecule, and at this point don't know if i should journey further in, which will most likely bring more questions, or if i should accept life for what it is. How many experiences is too much? haha

 

[murphythecat]

I think this is one of those things where you need to be able to hold two seemingly contradictory truths in your mind simultaneously... Because it's both.

My DMT experiences always feel like I'm witnessing a revealing visualization of my inner self. At the same time, the boundaries of my "self" at these moments is expanded way beyond the meat-bag who is sitting here typing.

I know that's a logical/illogical answer... Welcome to the world of psychedelics.

exactly.

everything you experience is real. The contrary would be completely non sense. but is it inner self or another realm? If we follow a completely rational point of view, our life experience comes from our brain, which makes life completely subjective, well quite subjective. And then, bam! on a psychadelic, you feel like your brain is expanding, you see with more depth, feel more profondly, ect. What is really happening inside our brain is a mystery, but I personnaly cant believe that our brain just see my imagination and my brain. indeed, we all see this weird realm. DMT is especiallly more evident. where mushrooms are more easy to rationalize and say that its just a weird mind expandiong experience, dmt literally shows you, with great details, entities!

It is your innner self (whatever that means) that you experience. but since on any psychadelic, your ego is trancended, its hard to understand exactly what we experience. I do think that we get another perspective of life. But its still reality, but we see it diferently, really diferently. Rationnaly, its illogical to think that its all imagination, but its also illogical to think that your brain is still not playing you tricks. I think that no matter what the substance, as long as you have a brain, which is subjective, there is no way to know!

I ultimately think that any reality is a illusion. even if there are other levels of reality, its still a illusion because well, we are only one.We are not really individuals, we are life and rocks and all this stuff. Just like you cant explain a dmt trip, you cant explain what you are.

I think that dmt shows us more what we really are, and its quite amazing what we are.

This may be out of subject, but I was at the beach today, and thought about infinity. I was playing with sand and thinking about my last mescaline trip. I think that life is infinite in its possibility. We are living infinity guys !

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

I pretty much agree with the others. I think the DMT realms and things experienced there are a combination of "real" stuff being witnessed, and creations of your mind. But I believe that's the case in everyday life. You experience as big of a dose of life as you can handle, and every aspect of it is colored by your senses, thoughts, expectations, memories, etc. Apart from dissolving your ego and merging with the godhead, there's always a level of subjectivity and aspects of the universe that are unique to your perspective, and probably even the unity experienced aren't the same for anybody.

One thought I've had on this has to do with thought waves, which we've been able to measure and basically prove that they physically interact with the world around you after they leave your head. I see this as meaning that we're all constantly co-creating the world around us, partially with our thoughts. So I believe that DMT vastly accelerates our thought processes, and therefore we're able to physically alter our world much more rapidly and drastically than during normal consciousness. To outside observers, it looks like we're just laying there, lost in our own heads, but that's because(I believe) each of our worlds are unique, due to the rules and patterns we each create. Another's mind generally can't follow us into these realms we open up/create, because it's so extreme and happens so quickly, though there are lots of cases of contact highs happening.

 

[Guyomech]

Gladict: you can get pretty frustrated looking for this concrete, immovable thing known as "the truth". Relax a little. Truths are subjective. Even the great scientifically provable truths are subjective to our particular way of looking at the universe. So asking the question, "is it real or imaginary?" and hoping for a simple, unambiguous , truthful answer... May simply not be possible. This may sound frustrating, but is probably truer than any assertion that this question might have a clean and simple answer.

 

[Eliyahu]

my personal view is that beneath the many layers of subjective reality there exists an objective reality or an ultimate truth, that exist separate from our individual subjective sensory interpretations of that objective "fee standing" reality...

The layers of subjective reality are like the skin of an onion in my opinion. There are many subjective truths that one generally encounters before reaching the ultimate objective truth...

Imo at it's most objective level this Earth reality becomes a living light, Hyperspace at it's most objective level is similar from what I have observed.

There is another variable to this as well IMO...the choice whether or not to consider your psychedelic experiences real or imagined has direct bearing on whether those experiences are actually real or just imagined.

My opinion is this:
consider your dreams real and they will become real, think of your dreams as mere fantasies of the mind and they will remain just that.

 

[brokin]

I don't think it's our imagination.
Firstly because we don't really know what imagination is.

From my PERSONAL experience Imagining things you want in your life as vividly as possible including imagining the feeling and sensations with which the situations will presumably come will ultimately cause some surprising effects.You will start to see your visualizations slowly coming true.

This is quite a dilemma in my mind because for me science plays a big role in my life, however my personal experiences and experiments take me to different kinds of "sciences"

I believe that the Universe it's all symbolic,archetypal,every little gear counts.

So I think whether these trips are Real or "just" Imagination it's not important, the information you get, the conclusions you get to or whatever you take out of it, that is the important thing.

It really doesn't matter if the entities are real or just archetypal constructs of your psyche.

 

[Guyomech]

I too am a big fan of science. But it's a limited (intentionally) way of looking at the world, and I would never limit my worldview to those things considered "provable" by science. There is no contradiction in taking science with a grain of salt- any true scientist will admit the limitations of the scientific method.

 

[psychedelic]

my personal view is that beneath the many layers of subjective reality there exists an objective reality or an ultimate truth, that exist separate from our individual subjective sensory interpretations of that objective "fee standing" reality...

The layers of subjective reality are like the skin of an onion in my opinion. There are many subjective truths that one generally encounters before reaching the ultimate objective truth...

Imo at it's most objective level this Earth reality becomes a living light, Hyperspace at it's most objective level is similar from what I have observed.

There is another variable to this as well IMO...the choice whether or not to consider your psychedelic experiences real or imagined has direct bearing on whether those experiences are actually real or just imagined.

My opinion is this:
consider your dreams real and they will become real, think of your dreams as mere fantasies of the mind and they will remain just that.

I agree with this. I also feel like there is an ultimate truth, separate from what we experience through human limitations, or perhaps separate is not the right word, at least I feel it's not. Ultimately it's one with you, or even better it is you beyond who you think you are, but still you cannot fully understand it while having a human experience. But you can get a glimpse of this point of view, through the ''Ultimate Truth/you/god/allah/zazen/true-self/brahman/whateveryouwannacallit'', although you don't fully understand it, you feel it through your human limitations. When one realizes their limitations of thought and feels the point of awareness from where the experience/you/brahman is happening then through that ''silence'' you create everything you believe reality is, you create your reality in that moment and it is happening every moment.
I'm too stoned and have no clue where this answer came from.
Actually I do.

Edit: From a scientific big-bang point of view you can say ''Ultimate Truth thing'' is the big-bang (think about the silence/emptiness/nothingness from where it occured?), and it is has been expanding from the tiniest point to where its at now, ultimately meaning that it truly is you beyond the experience that you experience that you are you. :? :? :?:shock: :want: :?:

 

[Anenergyhealer]

"edit: it is frustrating not knowing the truth though. i have had five experiences with this molecule, and at this point don't know if i should journey further in, which will most likely bring more questions, or if i should accept life for what it is. How many experiences is too much? haha"

Give up the need to know this truth than all will be revealed..., allowing is far more powerful than forcing in my opinion, so allow the answers to unfold rather than seeking them. If your journeying with the fustrated attitude of not knowing the truth, than is it that which will reveal itself back to you