Recruiting the assistance of entities

[Karnov]

I have undertaken DMT use as an exploratory tool and consciousness-raising tool, but also for therapeutic reasons for some health concerns.

I have had what I would call "conversations" or "exchanges" with entities where I ask for their assistance and guidance in my road to healing. The exact nature of the help I may or may not receive isn't totally clear, but I know that my wish to receive assistance has been acknowledged. In this way, I regard DMT trips as something akin to doctor's visits or something analagous to physical therapy sessions.

Also: does anyone else get the feeling there are a variety of ne'er-do-well entities floating around in hyperspace and that they can sometimes prey upon disoriented consciousnesses that stray into their home grounds? Like you're the kid who wanders into the wrong neighborhood after dark?

The easiest way to deal with these types has been to sneer at them--I think of the Alien (from the "Alien" movies) extending its teeth and mandible with an eyeless facade (my eyes are usually closed when this is happening). They're weak, can't do anything without your permission or tacit approval. They recede when I bare my teeth and express myself to them through thoughts (I don't talk to them).

Does anyone else feel like they've been paired with a team of entities, or that they're being observed (in a positive sense) by these entities?

Just questions that have arisen from my own experiences.

 

[Global]

Yes. I throat-sing/roar at them, and it has generally proven to be the most effective strategy I've found of dealing with these characters after repeated exposure and experimentation.

 

[Karnov]

I like this idea. Announce your presence like the shockwave off a supernova, but burn brightly like a new star. Level unwanted entities with your display.

And now, yes, I think I'm talking a bit crazy. LOL.

 

[Metanoia]

Not crazy at all.

I do the same as Global, I produce deep growling or throat singing type sounds. I actually do this out loud apparently, I record a lot of my psychedelic sessions and I did this on several occasions. The sounds I make are almost demonic themselves. But it does shoo away negative energies/entities.

Thankfully this has only happened a handful of times. There seems to be a correlation between how physically tired or weak I feel and this happening. When I smoke some changa late at night when I'm feeling very tired, that is when these negative entities have tried to prey on me.

Also, I do feel like there are entities who are observing me, even guiding me, all the time when I use DMT. I often feel them when sober as well. Now who sounds crazy :lol:

I'm not sure what/who they are, but they are positive.

 

[Chadaev]

Just blowing entities out of the way might be effective, but what about longer term consequences? What if what is going on is inter-civilisational contact? Like the contact between Europeans and other peoples from the 16th Century onward. Most of us aren't too proud of what went down, in retrospect.

So shouldn't we conceive of entities as potentially ethical subjects? That is, part of the cognitive investigations we are making surely concerns ethics. Or are we just going to replicate in hyperspace the kind of arrogant human-centric attitudes which have laid waste to most of the planet already?

 

[Global]

Just blowing entities out of the way might be effective, but what about longer term consequences? What if what is going on is inter-civilisational contact? Like the contact between Europeans and other peoples from the 16th Century onward. Most of us aren't too proud of what went down, in retrospect.

So shouldn't we conceive of entities as potentially ethical subjects? That is, part of the cognitive investigations we are making surely concerns ethics. Or are we just going to replicate in hyperspace the kind of arrogant human-centric attitudes which have laid waste to most of the planet already?

It's not human-centric when it's in self-defense. The intention is clearly not to go and conquer hyperspace and its inhabitants. Negative entities seemingly choose to make themselves present and provide an energetic assault. For what it's worth, these entities can often be positively transformed by the growls and such. If I don't take any measures for self defense, then I become quite the victim even though I knowingly entered hyperspace.

 

[Chadaev]

Just blowing entities out of the way might be effective, but what about longer term consequences? What if what is going on is inter-civilisational contact? Like the contact between Europeans and other peoples from the 16th Century onward. Most of us aren't too proud of what went down, in retrospect.

So shouldn't we conceive of entities as potentially ethical subjects? That is, part of the cognitive investigations we are making surely concerns ethics. Or are we just going to replicate in hyperspace the kind of arrogant human-centric attitudes which have laid waste to most of the planet already?

It's not human-centric when it's in self-defense. The intention is clearly not to go and conquer hyperspace and its inhabitants. Negative entities seemingly choose to make themselves present and provide an energetic assault. For what it's worth, these entities can often be positively transformed by the growls and such. If I don't take any measures for self defense, then I become quite the victim even though I knowingly entered hyperspace.

Interesting that they sometimes get positively transformed by our aggression. That doesn't accord with the usual 'spiritual' rap (hate breeds hate, fear breeds fear, you can only conquer the shadow with light, etc). So it would be good to hear more...

But more broadly... I wonder if we might see what's happening with these still early forays of individual moderns breaking away from their cultural norms and visiting hyperspace as part of a collective learning process. And maybe more important than what we find 'out there' is what we become in going there. What we become morally. Do we learn how to sustain a space of inter-species communication and empathetic identification in and through and despite the differences, negativities, surprises, etc? Or do we just go into survival mode out there? In survival mode there is no room for nuance. Everything is a 'friendly' or a 'foe'.

The child psychoanalyst Melanie Klein spoke of the paranoid-schizoid phase in development, where there is no morality per se, simply an immediate classification of others into 'good' or 'bad' relative to whether they are benificial to ego or not. It seems to me that collectively we are mostly at this stage in hyperspace... with our mostly intuitive classifications of 'negative' and 'positive' entities.

I'm not saying negative entities don't exist, or that we don't have to develop ways of handling them and not getting eaten up (is that what negative entities want? to eat us? our energy?). But this is 'frontier' politics. Once beings are more familiar with each other more sublte discriminations come into play.

 

[Karnov]

I will add to this my own subjective experience from the past few days. I don't try to control the set and setting prior to using spice. In fact, I welcome the opportunity to visit hyperspace from a variety of initial mind/mood states.

So, this past weekend, I made a break with my girlfriend and have been feeling pretty low because I'm thinking longer term and it was in a sense arbitrary for me to break things off at this time rather than another--there was no crisis. So it hasn't been pleasant but a necessary thing for personal growth. When I vaped some spice in this mood state, it seemed like there were many more negative entities present--like hyenas on the edge of the fire's light. They never seem to be fully formed, either. Almost like a roiling mass of something.
In any case, I know this may just be my low mood affecting my perception of what I encountered--at least one could argue that. But since we are talking about subjective perspective (noetic?), what I perceived was that my low mood was like an attraction for these entities.

Again, though--they appear to be harmless because all you have to do is assert your presence and they shrink away.

Oh--and that's a great idea to audio record sessions. I need to do this and just let myself chatter away S.O.C. and see what can be made of this after the fact. :lol: That sounds like great fun.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

Interesting that they sometimes get positively transformed by our aggression. That doesn't accord with the usual 'spiritual' rap (hate breeds hate, fear breeds fear, you can only conquer the shadow with light, etc). So it would be good to hear more...

i don't think it necessitates a connotation of aggression (though it certainly could).

as for hearing more, check out his trip report (With an illustration of sorts)

 

[Chadaev]

as for hearing more, check out his trip report (With an illustration of sorts)

Thanks Parshvik (and Global). Inspiring post! :d

One of the messages I've received frequently enough from the Amazonian brew is to work on opening up the chakras. And chakra sound meditations have been the best I've come across. This is the one I use as a guide:

Osho Chakra Sounds Meditation

This meditation uses vocal sounds made by the meditator along with music to open and harmonize the chakras while bringing awareness to them....

oshosmeditationtechinique.blogspot.com.au

You might be able to find it or an equivalent for free somewhere... I'm allergic to anything sappy or commercial. Whereas this is just hippy-happy in an Oshoesque way.