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Redosing a Rue/pharma like ayahuasca

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maranello551

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I have a question which I have not found clearly answered in several places I've looked. A friend of mine has a nice effective Rue Tea with some spice added. The tea is very effective (marvelously, so I've heard) at the dosage of 20 ml (= 3g of seeds). Now this friend of mine is used to redosing after 3 hours while on Ayahuasca. The question is, is it safe to redose with rue tea? If so, should the dosage be reduced? Do you have experiences with it?

The issue here is of course rue toxicity as the alkaloids are not only RIMAs as in Caapi. Does anyone has experience in taking 3g + 3g of seeds with the second dose 3 hours after the first one? Do Vasicine and Vasicinone build up to toxic levels or are they eliminated progressively in the body during the first session?

Thanks for any help :?
 
It should be fine. Strictly speaking, syrian rue isnt toxic. Those other alkaloids get a bad reputation just because they cause things like ataxia and abortion. In quantities near to normal doses they are not toxic and 5 grams of rue taken at once is commonly regarded as the top end of normal doses. Iranian women take 9 grams in one drink to induce abortion.
I've never taken a full dose of syrian rue 3 hours after another full dose but looking over my tripping journal, when I was experimenting with rue tea timing, on multiple occasions I dosed a total of 4.5 grams within 30 minutes and my body weight is just 54 kilos. I got no toxic effects, although that dosage did leave me walking like a drunken sailor from rues ataxia and my thoughts werent quite as clear because of the heavy harmaline dose [I know that part was harmaline from later experiments].

If in doubt you can do a test run, using only rue and no DMT, to prove to yourself its safe to do with DMT. It'll probably just make you feel a little drunk for 8 hours or so.
If you want to cut the dose down to minimum another experiment could be to take 3 grams rue, do nothing for 3 hours, take an additional 2 grams, and follow that 5 minutes later with a very low- but known active- dose of DMT to establish if a T+3 hour 2 gram redose is enough to activate a DMT dose. This is what I would do if trying to minimize rue dosage while avoiding potentially wasting a full DMT dose in the middle of a trip.
 
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