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Brian Kerr
Brian Kerr
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psychedelics like shrooms or 2ci, 2cp, acid and cactus all seem to give me tremors in my legs mostly, some what annoying they are. They don't hurt, but they make it hard to lie still and relax. Is this a common reaction ? at leased salvia does not do that. I don't know anything about magnesium supplements. Is magnesium use with this type of plant a common practice ?
BTW I have another 50g of cactus coming and I am looking forward to working with the plant in the hope I can have a proper *Go all the way there* psychedelic experience. I think it may take 100g or more.
It was just an idea. I've heard it's good for muscle relaxation as an oil rubbed on topically. I've also heard of it being taken orally for jaw clenching from psychedelics. I've never tried it myself, but I've been meaning to.
I get insane leg tremors from acid. It's a common side effect to the high energy state psychedelics put you in.
I get insane leg tremors from acid. It's a common side effect to the high energy state psychedelics put you in.
cave paintings
Rising Star
I suppose it is worth mentioning that I received what I would describe as severe stomach pains from san pedro resin. I did not spread it out or intersperse it with any sort of meal, so inherently it could have been reduced I imagine. But the amount of pain undergone I feel is worth mentioning. What I also found was that many friends who also consumed this resin have had no stomach issues. I found it interesting also because I rarely have stomach issues with any other substance or food. Mushrooms, alcohol, even morning glory I've managed to keep down before. The resin though my stomach vehemently rejects. The pain and twisting I endured has made me decide to never touch the resin again. The mental effects were beautiful no doubt though.
Brian Kerr
Brian Kerr
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The trip was nothing to write home about.
It probably was about equal to 20 mg 2ci. or a bit more but more body and mind.
The trip was nothing to write home about.
It probably was about equal to 20 mg 2ci. or a bit more but more body and mind.
Hey cave paintings,
This was my experience with the resin too, the third and final experience was excruciating and nauseating for many hours, with little psychoactive effect, and only a small dose of resin consumed. I swore off resin after that. My stomach isn't usually an issue on things either. A shame as my first experience with the resin showed so much promise, putting me in a state very reminiscent to a clean, earthy equivalent of MDMA.
This was my experience with the resin too, the third and final experience was excruciating and nauseating for many hours, with little psychoactive effect, and only a small dose of resin consumed. I swore off resin after that. My stomach isn't usually an issue on things either. A shame as my first experience with the resin showed so much promise, putting me in a state very reminiscent to a clean, earthy equivalent of MDMA.
^ Y'all who can't stomach resin should definitely try the Tea!
When it comes to orally ingested cactus, sometimes it's going to be a little hard to digest. It's good to eat normally when dosed.
I once brewed many feet of pachanoi down to a glass and chugged it.
What resulted was not only seeing things still melt ~7 days later
but what felt like a giant snake inside my intestines-
cactus material slowly moving through me for a few days!
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If you find you can't stomach it at all and aren't afraid of enemas, then there you go.
When it comes to orally ingested cactus, sometimes it's going to be a little hard to digest. It's good to eat normally when dosed.
I once brewed many feet of pachanoi down to a glass and chugged it.
What resulted was not only seeing things still melt ~7 days later
but what felt like a giant snake inside my intestines-
cactus material slowly moving through me for a few days!
0_0
If you find you can't stomach it at all and aren't afraid of enemas, then there you go.
gazal
Rising Star
-Tremors are common when the spirit is flowing through the body: see Shaking Medicine on Bradford Keeney's site to learn a good approach to tremors - they are a blessing!
- I made my balls not with fluor, that is perishable, could sour and attract micro-organisms of decomposition.
Instead to preserve at best the resin, I used Sodium Bicarbonate.
When you introduce SB in your system the stomach can produce more acid because it has the basic salts to neutralize the acids in other tissues; this ends that you digest better the paste with less discomfort ( that's why it is an old common remedy for weak digestion).
Furthermore it helps to freebase "in vivo" the alks ( I'm not sure if it is useful with mescaline as it is with indoles).
- I made my balls not with fluor, that is perishable, could sour and attract micro-organisms of decomposition.
Instead to preserve at best the resin, I used Sodium Bicarbonate.
When you introduce SB in your system the stomach can produce more acid because it has the basic salts to neutralize the acids in other tissues; this ends that you digest better the paste with less discomfort ( that's why it is an old common remedy for weak digestion).
Furthermore it helps to freebase "in vivo" the alks ( I'm not sure if it is useful with mescaline as it is with indoles).
gratefulfloyd
Rising Star
Is there a way to do the whole process in a crock pot?
I have a crock pot so I can to the first 3 boils that I need to do, but my oven starts at 200 degrees and I dont want to use too much heat. I was wondering if I could just set it on 200 while leaving he oven open, or if I could just reduce my liquid the whole time in the crock pot, any input would be nice.
I have a crock pot so I can to the first 3 boils that I need to do, but my oven starts at 200 degrees and I dont want to use too much heat. I was wondering if I could just set it on 200 while leaving he oven open, or if I could just reduce my liquid the whole time in the crock pot, any input would be nice.
^I don't know if I've ever seen ice on a muddy puddle, but it sounds like you are on the right track ;]
Cyaphide, yep, sounds about right :d
endlessness said:
tons of proof that mescaline is fine at well above boiling temps, are you concerned about the "other alkaloids"?
what other alkaloids in Specific do people think they are getting? at what temperatures or in what environments do they degrade? maybe hot acidic "simmers" ruin or change some of them? and if so, into what???
is anyone interested in 3-4-Dmimethoxyphenethylamine
3-Ho-4,5-Dmimethoxyphenethylamine
3-methoxytyramime
4-ho-3,5-Dmimethoxyphenethylamine
analonidine
hordenieine
tyramine
this is just from one tested t.pach, t.peru tested very similarly. with less total number of substances
mainly, no analonidine or hordenieine was found
are these the alkaloids causing the subjective differences noted between resin and pure extracts/types and strains of cacti?
who knows-so little real research has been done
So SWIM started this tek and small amount of pedro powder was also in the brew. he thinks this mighthv been a bad idea but it wasnt a lot of powder, he wonders if after a few hours and evap will the resin still be distinguishable from the powder :?:
edit: so SWIM guesses using powder with this tek does not work and will ruin the tek as far as SWIM knows. SWIM wasted a bunch of cactus recently this way, so don't do it! He doesn't see any crystals or resin, just goop from his powder which probably is mixed in with any resin or xtals, so next time he'll just use chunks. :!:
edit: so SWIM guesses using powder with this tek does not work and will ruin the tek as far as SWIM knows. SWIM wasted a bunch of cactus recently this way, so don't do it! He doesn't see any crystals or resin, just goop from his powder which probably is mixed in with any resin or xtals, so next time he'll just use chunks. :!:
my understanding is that it is very stable but at high or low pH at high temps it can cycle from a PEA to an Isoquinoline, likewise other PEAs found in these plants, like variations on DMPEA like 3,4-DMPEA, can also cycle into Isoquinolines. This can be done a number of ways, one of which is the Pictet–Spengler reaction and is more likely to occur in hot acid conditions, this is known as Pictet-Spengler tetrahydroisoquinoline synthesis and uses PEAs as a substrate.dg said:
Typically isoquinolines also undergo oxidation reactions to form a dark color, for example bananas contain Dopamine, which is enzymatically cycled into isoquinolines, which oxidizes and cause the browning reaction on the banana peels. It is a widespread observation that a longer brewing time results in less subjective activity and is associated with a browning reaction that is indicative of the oxidation of isoquinolines, many of which would not be recoverable in any of the predominant extraction methods being employed today. The only clear evidence of such a reaction would be that the brew becomes less active, ergo a 15 minute boil results in a more potent product than a 3 hour boil, and likewise the brew will turn from green color to brown to dark brown.
If someone just went STB with fresh or dried cactus and skipped the boiling step then they would minimize the chance of a PEA cycling into an isoquinoline, such extraction methods should result in better yields than methods involving prolonged boiling. In cases of boiling the surface of the container may also exceed boiling temperature by a great deal, this results in a rolling boil where water in contact with the container turns to vapor very quickly, this is because the surface of the container is much hotter than the vapor temp of water, which is the same as boiling temp.
If I am not mistaken Nor-Weberine has been found in some Trichocereus, a well known active macrogonus clone was found to contain a decent amount.
Then there is the Health Canada testing, also unpublished, showing mescaline to be present in a peruvianus product at a concentration of 0.056% dry weight, this was the second most abundant alkaloid in the study, which also found 8 unknown PEAs and 3 others unidentified alkaloids one of which was the major alkaloid.
I'd like to point out that mescaline is 3,4,5-TMeO-PEA, if it is cycled into a isoquinoline it would be 6,7,8 TMeO-Isoquinoline, this has the name of Anhalinine.
As the Health Canada study shows, often people get alkaloids that are totally unknown to science. While many forms like bridgesii selections can have mescaline in decent amounts and have only traces of anything else, it is not uncommon for peruvianoid and macrogonus selections to have other alkaloids in fairly decent amounts. Isoquinolines and tyramine variations seem to be the most common.
When you consider the types and effects of cacti recognized by the Andean Cultures it is clear that mescaline is not the only active agent in these cacti, several forms were associated with paralysis and seeming unconsciousness at high doses (perhaps indicating a sedative isoquinoline or even candicine or a variant upon it) , others were associated with healing (perhaps indicating hordenine and tyramine) and others were known to provide a brilliantly colored intoxication (perhaps indicating mescaline).
A lot of research is actually planned or underway, likewise a lot of information has come to light in the last 3 years than is not online or in publication. I have learned a lot in private conversations regarding this topic and will not provide references here. It is my understanding that the knowledge of this topic that is present online is largely outdated and often misinformed, but since most of the data being passed around in 30+ years old then that makes sense.
One can take mescaline salts and put them into an acidic solution and heat them up for awhile (concentrate the acidic solution using heat and evaportation) and watch the solution change color and turn brown, then re-extract and check your yield. It is a simple and easy experiment to perform, using nothing but mescaline salts, heat, water and acid you can create a brown color in the solution where there was none before. More heat and more time result in more brown and eventually it will all be lost. It is rather stable but still somewhat reactive.
Try it and see for yourself.
cyantific
Journeyman
Mr.Peabody
Rising Star
Dang!! I've been doing my resin the hard way! I'll give this a try next time.
Let us know how that resin treats you, cyan!
Let us know how that resin treats you, cyan!
ipumaestro
catdestined
how were you doing resin if it wasnt evapping decanted tea?