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IMHO Steve Jobs was 2 completely different people rolled into one lifetime. I think the young to 40's Steve Jobs would have hated the older Steve Jobs, or at least parts of himself in so far as the compromises he made with with his company acting like a mega corporation acts. It seemed at first he cared more about the employees of the company and how it operated. In its last years though Apple has IMHO not acted with compassion for their employees nor consumers. They harvest information from their consumers private info and sell it to other mega corporations and government organizations. They ship jobs to China to save some cash and allow deplorable working conditions to happen with their stamp of approval. Steve seemed like a really guy who has had a hugely positive impact on society at large. I wish the old Steve Jobs ethics would have driven the company more in its last years and supported both its workers and users more. Every one of us has two sides though. I am constantly trying to find a balance between sides of myself that I like and that I want to improve or completely change. Overall I think he will go down as a pioneer.
 
Not coincidentally, that's how people describe the experience of taking psychedelic drugs. It feels profoundly artificial yet deeply real, both high-tech and earthy-crunchy, human and mystically divine — in a word, transcendent. Jobs had this experience. He said that taking LSD was one of the two or three most important things he'd ever done. "He said there were things about him that people who had not tried psychedelics — even people who knew him well, including his wife — could never understand," John Markoff reported for the Times.

Read more: Steve Jobs Had LSD. We Have the iPhone | TIME.com


The Huffington Post published a previously-unseen letter from LSD creator Albert Hofmann to Steve Jobs, who has in the past praised LSD's influence on his creative thinking.

The letter itself isn't too illuminating; Hofmann was an incredible 101 years old at the time of writing, and merely mentions that he knew Jobs had mentioned LSD in a positive light in the press. Hofmann asks whether Jobs would like to contribute to an LSD-assisted psychotherapy study, and colorfully asks for Jobs's assistance in turning his "problem child" (Hofmann's pet name for LSD) into a "wonder child."


I understand from media accounts that you feel LSD helped you creatively in your development of Apple computers and your personal spiritual quest. I'm interested in learning more about how LSD was useful to you.

But the story around the letter, and Jobs's affiliation with the hallucinogen, are pretty interesting. Check out the original text (Hofmann's got great handwriting for a guy 101 years old) and background over at HuffPo, and read our exhaustive summary of the life of Steve Jobs here. [Huffington Post, thanks Caitlin!]
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Steve Jobs never designed any apple hardware. Steve Wozniak made the first apple computer and Jonathon Ive designed the iphone. Jobs also has a daughter that he abandoned, even though one of their older computers (Lisa) was named after her. Fuck him.

I like Mac OS not because I think its special or innovative, but because its a linux based OS that has widespread third party support, the main downfall of a tradition Linux OS. He was a marketer/salesman, nothing more.
 
Why does it matter whether or not Steve Jobs himself actually engineered all the technology that was at the crux of Apple's products? The bottom line is that he ran the corporation, and without his presence, Apple computers and Mac OS would not exist. He had what it took to assemble the massive and seamless collaboration of intelligence and effort that was Apple Inc. And, no matter how little Apple had to do with the core technologies behind their products, they put together these building blocks and made them accessible and interfaced to the general public in a way that had never before been achieved. Which was undeniably a benefit to a great many people. The proof is in the pudding: the vast majority of the entire creative media industry prefers Apple computers for its purposes.

Not that it excuses deplorable off-shore working conditions. But, aggressive capitalism was the price Apple was willing to pay to stay afloat.
 
1992 said:
Steve Jobs never designed any apple hardware. Steve Wozniak made the first apple computer and Jonathon Ive designed the iphone. Jobs also has a daughter that he abandoned, even though one of their older computers (Lisa) was named after her. Fuck him.

I like Mac OS not because I think its special or innovative, but because its a linux based OS that has widespread third party support, the main downfall of a tradition Linux OS. He was a marketer/salesman, nothing more.
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That bit about his daughter is complete bs. He later reconnected with her, opened his house to her and sent her to harvard. Sounds like a pretty good dad to me, but don't take it from me.
Lisa Brennan-Jobs
Please don't make statements that you don't know the full details on, especially if the statement is followed by "fuck him" meaning the whole reason to dislike him was partially based on wrong information.
 
Ice House said:
Apple founder dies at age 56

The i-pod, i-pad, i-phone and MAC has had a huge impact on the world as we know it.

It a shame he didnt get the opportunity to see his vision develope allot further.
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And do you all know that 36000 children dies every day (from curable diseases and hunger) ? Nobody talk about that. Why so much talk about this person ? He was born, lived and died like all of us.

I say R.I.P all good people , why make differences no one is better than someone else.
 
smokerx said:
Ice House said:
Apple founder dies at age 56

The i-pod, i-pad, i-phone and MAC has had a huge impact on the world as we know it.

It a shame he didnt get the opportunity to see his vision develope allot further.
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And do you all know that 36000 children dies every day (from curable diseases and hunger) ? Nobody talk about that. Why so much talk about this person ? He was born, lived and died like all of us.

I say R.I.P all good people , why make differences no one is better than someone else.
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I don't think that's a fair assessment. First of all, plenty of people talk about those deaths from hunger, diseases, famine etc. Why do you think there are so many charities dedicated to helping those causes? Why do you think the US sends so much foreign aid to countries where those types of deaths happen?

Secondly, the statement "no one is better than someone else" is totally close minded. How can you not say someone who lives their life caring for others, donates to lots of charities and is well-liked is not better than a serial killer or rapist? I'm not saying Steve Jobs was any of those things, but he was certainly a better person than many simply because he did not murder anyone and helped advance the world through his contributions to computer/software technology.

It's close minded to see the world in that way and think we are all the same, and one person's death doesn't have more impact than another's.
A man who did a lot for computer technology and was well-known obviously had more meaning attached to his life and death than a child who only lived a few years in Africa and died of starvation(whether or not this is justified is another issue). I'm not saying either of those deaths is acceptable, just that one has more meaning attached to it because of the things he did in his life.
 
who cares about steve jobs? Not me.. I personally dont find his presence in the world to have been a super great thing. He was a guy that made computer stuff..big deal? what did he do with it? It is just like bill gates...he made alot of stuff..sure. Someone would have have come up with it either way..technology is great an all but what have these people done with the billions of dollars they have made to really make the world a better place? He was just a guy never did any more or less than any other guy imo..he was def no humanitarian..
 
people die every day alpha..that is my point. It is not a huge deal. I never said he was a bad person..but he was not some super hero humanitarian either and the guy definatily supported some horrible working conditions for adverage people..so like, to me it is just irrelevant to my world that Steve Jobs died. People die.
 
fractal enchantment said:
people die every day alpha..that is my point. It is not a huge deal.
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So when you're mom dies - how'd you like me saying, "Hey fractal - not a huge deal. People die every day."

Kinda insensitive IMO.
 
a1pha said:
fractal enchantment said:
people die every day alpha..that is my point. It is not a huge deal.
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So when you're mom dies - how'd you like me saying, "Hey fractal - not a huge deal. People die every day."

Kinda insensitive IMO.
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Good point Alpha, it's easy to be insensitive to someone you don't know. Particularly if you feel he was unjust, or didn't do anything productive.
 
fractal enchantment said:
who cares about steve jobs? Not me.. I personally dont find his presence in the world to have been a super great thing. He was a guy that made computer stuff..big deal? what did he do with it? It is just like bill gates...he made alot of stuff..sure. Someone would have have come up with it either way..technology is great an all but what have these people done with the billions of dollars they have made to really make the world a better place? He was just a guy never did any more or less than any other guy imo..he was def no humanitarian..
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exactly
 
a1pha said:
So when you're mom dies - how'd you like me saying, "Hey fractal - not a huge deal. People die every day."
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not the best example but if I may say , the truth is it would be only huge deal for those very close to his mum. It would not mean anything to you I guess like it means nothing to me that some Steve Jobs died but I am sure it does mean a lot to his family.

anyway why would you say to someone something so unintelligent alpha?
 
dmtk2852 said:
smokerx said:
Ice House said:
Apple founder dies at age 56

The i-pod, i-pad, i-phone and MAC has had a huge impact on the world as we know it.

It a shame he didnt get the opportunity to see his vision develope allot further.
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And do you all know that 36000 children dies every day (from curable diseases and hunger) ? Nobody talk about that. Why so much talk about this person ? He was born, lived and died like all of us.

I say R.I.P all good people , why make differences no one is better than someone else.
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I don't think that's a fair assessment. First of all, plenty of people talk about those deaths from hunger, diseases, famine etc. Why do you think there are so many charities dedicated to helping those causes? Why do you think the US sends so much foreign aid to countries where those types of deaths happen?

Secondly, the statement "no one is better than someone else" is totally close minded. How can you not say someone who lives their life caring for others, donates to lots of charities and is well-liked is not better than a serial killer or rapist? I'm not saying Steve Jobs was any of those things, but he was certainly a better person than many simply because he did not murder anyone and helped advance the world through his contributions to computer/software technology.

It's close minded to see the world in that way and think we are all the same, and one person's death doesn't have more impact than another's.
A man who did a lot for computer technology and was well-known obviously had more meaning attached to his life and death than a child who only lived a few years in Africa and died of starvation(whether or not this is justified is another issue). I'm not saying either of those deaths is acceptable, just that one has more meaning attached to it because of the things he did in his life.
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he did nothing more than anyone else.

lets not mention charities here please cos you don't know where all the donated money and stuff ends up

close minded is judging others by what ever reason. All we are is work of environment that means you are not a killer maybe just because you had a good or better childhood than others. you do not get born killer my friend you become one, it could have been you remember that and be grateful
 
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Like I said before, I never liked Apple products. From the first Apple II I was able to use regularly on up to the travesty that is iTunes... I thought the shit was pretty much mostly hype. Spray as much perfume as you want on a turd, and it still stinks.

I had an Amiga back when Mac was still black & white, and have always felt that style does not trump substance.

Pixar movies can be hit or miss, but they have certainly changed animation forever.

Regardless of his business acumen, when I first saw this talk Mr. Jobs gave to the Stanford grads (around the time he gave it), I felt inspired and some kinship with the man. Now it is up on TED and 4.5 million people have watched it. http://www.ted.com/talks/steve_jobs_how_to_live_before_you_die.html

Say what you want about the business, the man was perceptive. A college dropout who stuck around to audit classes that interested him. A psychonaut. If this video doesn't inspire you even a tiny bit, you might might need to order some deluxe model muses. ;)

No one is perfect. Even Ghandi could have improved his game.

Jobs' parting advice in the speech is powerful and true, though, and if his spirit is somewhere where he can continue with his own advice... I say back at him "Stay hungry, and stay foolish!"

Peace.
 
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