Foaf wants to know if drying freeze-precipitated crystals on piece of rice rolling paper would help evap the naphtha so that the crystals don't melt. He's been having trouble with it and has tried flipping the jar over and dripping the naphtha off but no matter how long he waits it still looks as if there is naphtha there and when he tried to fan them after that they melted immediately:| He's testing it right now but I want to know if anything bad could happen like chemicals in the paper. My slightly paranoid brain wanders upon thoughts of unknown reactions happening between the paper and naphtha. He figures rolling papers made of rice because its easy to scrape off and rice paper is used as a facial oil blotter. So he figures it'll absorb most of it then he could simply scrap them off on to wax paper for further drying. The extraction was done with Acacia Confusa root bark. So he wonders if the Nmt in the bark is causing the melting of crystals? Hes new at extracting and understands very basic chemistry. Sorry for the long post...
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Rolling paper crystal drying
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Mr.Peabody
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No worries about a bad reaction. In the past I have used coffee filters just fine for this same purpose. I like the idea of the rolling paper. It would be VERY good paper to use in a joint afterwards, huh?
My favorite method now, easiest to work with, and least loss, is to use a pyrex baking dish. You freeze your naphtha in the dish, the crystals should stick to the glass, and then pour off the naphtha. I'd still run it through a filter, in case there were any (likely) floating crystals. Then you can leave the dish out to dry, and scrape everything off with a razor blade.
My favorite method now, easiest to work with, and least loss, is to use a pyrex baking dish. You freeze your naphtha in the dish, the crystals should stick to the glass, and then pour off the naphtha. I'd still run it through a filter, in case there were any (likely) floating crystals. Then you can leave the dish out to dry, and scrape everything off with a razor blade.
Good to know. He tried with the Pyrex but I read that the naphtha can get into the food if not sealed properly:/ He now uses 1/2 pint mason jars to freeze and collect crystals. Last time he left the pan out to fully evap and it was all goo, which was way hard to scrape due to the crummy Pyrex unevenness at the bottom:/ He's paranoid because he doesn't want to lose the goo to the filter like he has read and figured rolling paper is thin enough to where if it did turn to goo it could be recovered since it doesn't absorb too much. I would like to think it has a wick effect which could also increase surface area for evap? He'll definitely have to try your method this next time though.
Lol, I didn't even think about that! Pleasant paper
That would eliminate the worrying about the crystals melting problem. Ill have to tell him that. Btw does it even matter if you use swim and foaf?
Lol, I didn't even think about that! Pleasant paper
That would eliminate the worrying about the crystals melting problem. Ill have to tell him that. Btw does it even matter if you use swim and foaf?
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Ha! Jars are what I used first, and then went to the pyrex. I have a dish I use solely for this kind of stuff, that will never be used for food, but that's just me.
And no, most folks just own up. Using foaf or swim is not likely to protect one very much, but there's no harm in doing it, either. It's up to you/swiy/your foaf!
And no, most folks just own up. Using foaf or swim is not likely to protect one very much, but there's no harm in doing it, either. It's up to you/swiy/your foaf!
I also had this problem this morning with my first extract, I got so many crystals and was so excited, until I put it under a fan and checked back in 15 minutes. All crystals gone. I though the fan had blown them away. Nonetheless I was so aggravated.
Thank god I only used half my bark though
Thank god I only used half my bark though
I thought it would actually give some protection:/...I guess not. lol. I get so stoked for the crystals that I start forming expectations which leads to disappointments. Oh and btw I tried the rolling paper and it does absorb some of the naphtha but as soon as I pulled it out and fanned it it remelted. ugh. At least I can still get buzzed from the paper. I wonder if its possible to vacuum it and desiccate to at least a waxy spice consistency...
I have about the same problem. But I think what happens for me is the following:
I take the pyrex out of the freezer - btw I use light naphta/petrol ether cause it evaps faster and the print on it says it evaps to 99,9999% - pour off the naphte and turn it over. After just a few minutes all naphta smell is gone yet.
The I take the pyres und set it up with a fan to further dry it.
...And now comes the bad part...
After some time humidity from the air condenses all over the cold pyrex, freezes on it and then beginns to melt again...forming drops, running down all over the pyrex, ruining my spice.
What I'll try today is to not use a fan at all. I'll just turn the pyrex over, wait a few minutes, scrape off the crystals and further dry them outside the pyrex...yeah..maybe on a rolling paper.
Any comments/tips on this?
I take the pyrex out of the freezer - btw I use light naphta/petrol ether cause it evaps faster and the print on it says it evaps to 99,9999% - pour off the naphte and turn it over. After just a few minutes all naphta smell is gone yet.
The I take the pyres und set it up with a fan to further dry it.
...And now comes the bad part...
After some time humidity from the air condenses all over the cold pyrex, freezes on it and then beginns to melt again...forming drops, running down all over the pyrex, ruining my spice.
What I'll try today is to not use a fan at all. I'll just turn the pyrex over, wait a few minutes, scrape off the crystals and further dry them outside the pyrex...yeah..maybe on a rolling paper.
Any comments/tips on this?
morning steppa,
in what way do the water drops ruin your DMT?
when I remove my pyrex tray from the freezer I pour off the solvent and then place a coffee filter at one end of the tray and trap it in place with the lid then i put it back in the freezer upside down on an angle to drain off the remaining solvent. An hour later I take the tray and stand it upright and blast it with a fan until its completely dry.
There is always some condensation that forms but it never effects my crystals.
in what way do the water drops ruin your DMT?
when I remove my pyrex tray from the freezer I pour off the solvent and then place a coffee filter at one end of the tray and trap it in place with the lid then i put it back in the freezer upside down on an angle to drain off the remaining solvent. An hour later I take the tray and stand it upright and blast it with a fan until its completely dry.
There is always some condensation that forms but it never effects my crystals.
Morning 3rdI,
when I'm about to put the dish infront of the fan (the fan is about 1 meter away) I have nice bright white cystals, then when water drops form in the dish (which stands upright), it _seems to me_ like the water pics up up some stuff from the bottom of the dish and infuses the crystals with it, as it may happen that they get a brown touch. They also tend to melt.
But this theory seems odd to me as I think that those plant fats and waxes can't be piced up by the water as they won't dissolve in it.
I also thought that DMT isn't soluble in water. But when the drops run down on the inside of the dish a small puddle may form which smells heavily like hyperspace.
Also I should mention, that there is - at least to me - no more smell of solvent present, when I'm about to put my dish infront of the fan cause the light naphta evaps so fast.
What I'm looking for is basically a way to bring the dish up to room temp without this water condensation issue...(Maybe Freezer --> Pour off naphta --> Fridge --> Room?) . Or I'll just try to scrape the crystals off the dish before putting it infront of the fan. And and then just dry the remaining goo with the fan and the crystals seperatly.
when I'm about to put the dish infront of the fan (the fan is about 1 meter away) I have nice bright white cystals, then when water drops form in the dish (which stands upright), it _seems to me_ like the water pics up up some stuff from the bottom of the dish and infuses the crystals with it, as it may happen that they get a brown touch. They also tend to melt.
But this theory seems odd to me as I think that those plant fats and waxes can't be piced up by the water as they won't dissolve in it.
I also thought that DMT isn't soluble in water. But when the drops run down on the inside of the dish a small puddle may form which smells heavily like hyperspace.
Also I should mention, that there is - at least to me - no more smell of solvent present, when I'm about to put my dish infront of the fan cause the light naphta evaps so fast.
What I'm looking for is basically a way to bring the dish up to room temp without this water condensation issue...(Maybe Freezer --> Pour off naphta --> Fridge --> Room?) . Or I'll just try to scrape the crystals off the dish before putting it infront of the fan. And and then just dry the remaining goo with the fan and the crystals seperatly.
I have found that a small colour change can take place when drying but nothing that bothers me, could it be that the flow of water down the dish drags the fats/waxs with it?(this is just a wild guess).
The melting seems odd though as there shouldn't be anything for them to melt into if all the solvent is gone. The wiki says that DMT is almost insoluble in water (and if it is I think it takes a long time to dissolve, this was mentioned in another thread but I forget which one).
when the small condensation puddle at the bottom of your tray evaps are you left with any noticeable residue? I never am.
freezer>fridge>room might be a good way to try to avoid the condensation. It would also be a good idea to try the quick scrape method and then dry the crystals on a coffee filter or similar.
The melting seems odd though as there shouldn't be anything for them to melt into if all the solvent is gone. The wiki says that DMT is almost insoluble in water (and if it is I think it takes a long time to dissolve, this was mentioned in another thread but I forget which one).
when the small condensation puddle at the bottom of your tray evaps are you left with any noticeable residue? I never am.
freezer>fridge>room might be a good way to try to avoid the condensation. It would also be a good idea to try the quick scrape method and then dry the crystals on a coffee filter or similar.
So...here we go. I attatched pics of how it went yesterday.
First Pic: Just out of the freezer and the naphta poured off. Heavy condensation of water is visible. Notice how nice the spice still looks here.
Second pic: Half of the spice has already been scraped out for seperate drying. The dish is set up for further drying about one meter away from a cold fan. Frozen condensed water is already melting. At this point there was no smell of solvent present anymore.
Third pic: This is what happens.
Btw. This is the result of a second pull frum Cyb's tek. Not the Max-Ion tek.
First Pic: Just out of the freezer and the naphta poured off. Heavy condensation of water is visible. Notice how nice the spice still looks here.
Second pic: Half of the spice has already been scraped out for seperate drying. The dish is set up for further drying about one meter away from a cold fan. Frozen condensed water is already melting. At this point there was no smell of solvent present anymore.
Third pic: This is what happens.
Btw. This is the result of a second pull frum Cyb's tek. Not the Max-Ion tek.
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ok, I see what you mean.
2 things.
1, what happened to the DMT you scraped off early? did it dry and stay white?
2, have you tried keeping the dish flat when fanning? if the water isn't allowed to run over the crystals it wont be able to contaminate them.
2 things.
1, what happened to the DMT you scraped off early? did it dry and stay white?
2, have you tried keeping the dish flat when fanning? if the water isn't allowed to run over the crystals it wont be able to contaminate them.
