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SAFE d-Limonene+calcium hydroxide Tek?

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So ive heard some very interesting tek claims which Swim has not been able to find on the forum... and not for lack of looking... i think i read this forum at least 6 hours a day... and am greatfull for it...
So Swims been reading about the wonders of d-Limonene and is impressed with it... being able to produce a DMT extraction with safe and healthy alternatives to lye and petrochems is really a nice idea.
Swim has a cat that cohabitates the kitchen and gets into everything... swim wants a healthy cat and swim wants healthy people doing healthy things with swims end results from extractions... so swim would love a link to the TEk if its here on the forum or if some one who has done this tek cares to chare the low down on it.. it would be really nice to start working with kitten safe materials :d
Swim has already found great and inexpensive sources for limonene with 98.5% purity... tomorrow swim will check local industrial supply janitorial companies locally. Janitorial companies should carry these... FOAF father runs a janitorial company and uses d-Limonene because its sucha healthy alternative to the crap hes been using for years allready...

edible lime is extremely easy to get for swim and its cheap! 1.50$ a jar from asian market ( sold right next to the betel nuts :shock: and safe as well... but Swim is having a hard time figuring how to work with it for MHRB extractions...
the idea of being able to do these extractions safely with non toxic food grad chems would be a dream come true...
Swim wonders why any one would go any other route?
just from a practicle stand point, a health stand point and a sustainability stand point...
d-Limonene is a product of distilling the orange peels which are thrown out during the making of orange juice... a very healthy and ethical production process, environmentally speaking in comparison to other methods of producing other solvents... then you also have the responsibility of where those solvents and chemicals go when they are disposed of... gets into the water supply and the air when it evaps too... seems irresponsible when you look at the impact of the production of these solvents as well... but at any rate... alternatives being available like this are exciting I am hungry to hear more...
 
Ok, so here you go. Simple as pie.

1 - Powderize your mimosa bark. Mix 100 grams of bark with 25 grams of calcium hydroxide. Add enough water to make it feel wet but not watery. Mix for about 5 minutes.

2 - Add 300 ml of d-limonene. Mix well. Let sit a few hours.

3 - Pour off the d-limonene through a filter.

4 - Add 25 ml of vinegar to the d-limonene. Mix thoroughly.

5 - Separate the vinegar from the d-limonene (the vinegar is at the bottom, the d-limonene at the top). This vinegar will contain DMT acetate. Evaporate your vinegar in a food dehydrator at 155 F to get sticky DMT acetate.

6 - Repeat steps 4 and 5 at least 2-3 times,

7 - Repeat steps 2 - 6 at least 2 times.

By the way, the same tech works for extracting mescaline from cactus. Mescaline acetate is slightly waxy after drying it completely.

For DMT, this produces sticky DMT acetate. DMT acetate will never be dry. It's best for use in ayahuasca.
 
sounds wonderful! if only SWIM could find limonene

btw ron, I remember you mentioning SWIY had smoked dmt extracted with limonene, and that it tasted nicely like oranges.. So does SWIY know how to get smokable product with limonene?

what about mixing sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide with the dmt acetate (maybe the usual 'making a paste with some water'), then letting dry and then washing with alcohol to retrieve the freebase dmt / jungle spice?

and what about the stability of acetate salts when 'dry' (not in solution) ?
 
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yes transferring it to smokable form does seem to be the conundrum...
but for pharmahuasca with THH... delightful...
 
well once you got to the dmt acetate you freebase again with some sodium carbonate and a bit of water

dry that..and then soak it in ethanol...pour of ethanol and evap for smokeable spice..
 
and this has worked for Swiy?
how was the quality of the bioassy?
also wondering yeilds?
 
Yes, that works very well.

SWIM prefers to use d-limonene instead of ethanol.

To make freebase DMT from DMT acetate using d-limonene he did the following.

After salting out the DMT acetate, he added sodium carbonate and a little water, and then dried that in a food dehydrator at 110 F. He then soaked that in a tiny amount of d-limonene, filtered and evaporated the d-limonene in a food dehydrator at 110 F. That way no other solvent was needed and the DMT tasted slightly like oranges. SWIM likes it more that way. It makes the DMT taste more “natural” by hiding that weird plastic taste of DMT.
 
AH HA..so the d-limonene was evapped..i SEE! that makes things much simpler..SWIM was thinking that the d-limonene would leave behind way to much stuff but i guess if you evap it..it wont!!
 
It's basically a double A/B.

I'm sorry, SWIM did NOT use sodium carbonate...he used calcium hydroxide. He got confused for a minute there.

Here are all the steps to end up with freebase DMT using just d-limonene:


1 - Powderize your mimosa bark. Mix 100 grams of bark with 25 grams of calcium hydroxide. Add enough water to make it feel wet but not watery. Mix for about 5 minutes.

2 - Add 300 ml of d-limonene. Mix well. Let sit a few hours.

3 - Pour off the d-limonene through a filter.

4 - Add 25 ml of vinegar to the d-limonene. Mix thoroughly.

5 - Separate the vinegar from the d-limonene (the vinegar is at the bottom, the d-limonene at the top). This vinegar will contain DMT acetate. Evaporate your vinegar in a food dehydrator at 155 F to get sticky DMT acetate.

6 - Repeat steps 4 and 5 at least 2-3 times,

7 - Repeat steps 2 - 6 at least 2 times.

THE NEXT STEPS ARE FOR GETTING FREEBASE DMT. These steps can be skipped if using the DMT for ayahuasca.

8 - Take your sticky DMT acetate, and add about 2 parts calcium hydroxide and a tiny bit of water, just enough to make it wet. Thoroughly mix it. Let it sit for about 5 minutes or so. Evaporate your freebased DMT in a food dehydrator at no hotter than 110 F to get freebase DMT, calcium hydroxide, and calcium acetate.

9 - Dissolve your DMT (it’s about 1 gram at this point) and other calcium junk in about 25 ml of warm d-limonene (no hotter than 110 F). Filter and evaporate your d-limonene in a food dehydrator at no hotter than 110 F to get freebase DMT,

10 - Repeat step 9 until no more DMT is extracted from the calcium mix.
 
yes excellent info ron! what yield can one expect with this, with good quality bark?

edit, just saw you mentioned 1 g... so a 1% yield is the average you would say..

considering its a mix of jungle spice and dmt, what is the dosages for smoking, the usual 50mg?
 
SWIM is getting odd results with muriatic acid... that is, it just doesn't seem to separate from the d-limonene.

Should SWIM just pour in some vinegar?
 
endlessness said:
yes excellent info ron! what yield can one expect with this, with good quality bark?

edit, just saw you mentioned 1 g... so a 1% yield is the average you would say..

considering its a mix of jungle spice and dmt, what is the dosages for smoking, the usual 50mg?
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That's hard to say. SWIM is more sensitive to DMT than most people. With pure DMT SWIM is normally using 10-20 mg. 40 mg is really intense and sometimes a breakthrough dose for SWIM.

It can be stronger or weaker than a heptane or naphtha extraction because it extracts DMT, DMT N-Oxide, and “jungle spice”. If there’s a lot of DMT N-Oxide, the potency reduces because DMT N-Oxide is weaker than the others. If there’s a lot of “jungle spice” then it’s stronger. It varies too much to give any good estimate.

coz42 said:
SWIM is getting odd results with muriatic acid... that is, it just doesn't seem to separate from the d-limonene.

Should SWIM just pour in some vinegar?
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Is that pure HCl (muriatic acid)? SWIM never uses pure concentrate HCl with d-limonene. He always dilutes it to about 5 ml of 10% HCl solution for every 25 ml of water. He has had problems using concentrated HCl. I believe that concentrated HCl reacts with some of the other compounds in the food grade d-limonene which is only 95% pure with 5% impurities which include other things extracted from lemons.

Dilute it and see if you still have problems. It should form a separate layer easily if diluted.
 
as LOW as 95% pure...every batch is different im sure but its at least 95% pure...there is also the high purity stuff that is at least 98.5% pure
 
Yeah, food grade is 95% or more d-limonene and 5% or less impurities.

SWIM was able to extract 99% pure white mescaline from San Pedro using food grade d-limonene, so I don't see much need to go beyond food grade. The impurities from the fruit used to make the d-limonene are all volatile and so they evaporate away.
 
what about working with citric acid instead of acetic and muritic... you know just to continue with the whole citrus theme...:d
 
Yeah. You could easily use citric acid and water instead of vinegar if you’re planning to end up with freebase alkaloids in a later step. Don’t use hydrochloric acid. There is no point in using it. You cannot easily get food grade hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid), but everyone can easily get food grade vinegar (dilute acetic acid) or food grade citric acid.

If you need to end up with a salt, vinegar would be better because it all evaporates away.

Both DMT acetate and DMT citrate are sticky and never dry because they are hygroscopic and absorb water directly from the air.

The only salt form of DMT that is not sticky as far as I know is DMT fumarate.

You can easily later convert DMT acetate to DMT fumarate by just dissolving DMT acetate in as little water needed to dissolve it and then add one part more water. Then mix in fumaric acid. Keep adding more fumaric acid while mixing until no more dissolves. Then bring to water to near freezing and most of the excess fumaric acid will sink to the bottom of the water and can be filtered off. Then evaporate the water to get nearly pure DMT fumarate with traces of fumaric acid in it as the only contaminant. There is no need for any toxic solvents.

Mescaline citrate is dry. Mescaline acetate is waxy. For something like mescaline, it’s much easier to use vinegar that citric acid because all the excess vinegar evaporates away leaving the alkaloids behind. When using citric acid, that’s not possible. All the excess citric acid becomes part of the end product. They are ways to remove it, but it complicates things. It better to just keep it simple and use vinegar instead.
 
For the sake of theoretical discussion:
- What reasons do people have for using either calcium hydroxide or sodium carbonate (given the choice between the 2)?
- Is either more advantageous, or more appropriate in combination with certain acids and solvents?
- If sodium carbonate was used in this method, how would the ratios change for steps 1 and 8?

Thanks, very interesting discussion here.
 
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