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Salvia Plain Leaf - Semi Breakthrough!

Angel_Above

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Well I don't know where else to put this, I don't really understand the rules of this forum too well (sorry mods!).

I think I only get nursery priviledges.

At any rate, I decided I wanted to smoke a small bowl of plain leaf last night, to sort of gauge the effects of a "1x" extract.

Before this experience, I smoked salvia 3 times, the first time I got an intense body high, the second I had my first breakthrough, and the third was the most intense breakthrough where I met entities Katie and Tommy who referred to themselves as "Reality Genies" (If I remember correctly...).

I take a seat and meditate for a short amount of time, just in case something very weird happens.

I took the first inhale, a big hit, and held for 20 seconds.... Nothing.

Finished the bowl in another hit, this time holding the flame on the salvia for the entire duration of my inhalation... held for 20 seconds... then I started feeling odd.

I looked around and had no visuals, but I felt like the top of my head was being tugged downward (toward the floor) and I decided it would be best to close my eyes.

When I closed my eyes, I began to see faces of peoople... I kind of thought it was Katie and Tommy reappearing, but this time was much weirder than the last. There were facing turning towards my direction all around me, and I began to see the "body" of these beings which were hands that went on for infinity, as well as legs.

It's so hard to explain it, but when I was there I was like "Oh ok, interesting." I opened my eyes to see if consensus reality was visualistic, it wasn't. I was completely fine, minus the fact that when I would close my eyes I saw people extending on for infinity.

If someone were to speak to me, I would be completely fine with conversing with this person. I just decided to sit and ride it out. The faces weren't menacing, but they had absolutely no expression. Sort of like looking at me with the face I had on.

This, to me, proves the reverse tolerance. First salvia trip was 10x, second was 15x (4-5 big hits), third was 80x unstandardized and I took one hit, and now I smoked some plain leaf and felt like I had a semi-breakthrough since I met some people.

Had I smoked more, they would have conversed with me. I didn't have time to pack more because it was in my room and I was a few rooms away.

Is this a normal effect for plain leaf? I mean for a fourth trip, this was ridiculous, I didn't expect this.

I only use the word "ridiculous" because I don't feel I can learn much from this nonsense trip (that's exactly what I thought about the last one, but it showed me more than any other trip of my life).

Perhaps I saw what Alex Grey was trying to convey in his "Wall of Being?" Because it really felt like a "wall" or sorts, that was surrounding me in all directions. I even moved my head with my eyes closed to look at different parts of the wall, but it just keep repeating itself faster than I could analyze it.

Lady Salvia... you're sneaky!
 
I'd love some feedback. Should I be ready for a breakthrough the next time I try plain leaf? I have 10x, 5x, 15x, and 20x, but if plain leaf does the job, should I even try the extracts?
 
That's intersting. In my opinion, you can carry on working with plain leaf if you're comfortable leaf, this may lead you to grow your own plants and make some more sense from both sides of the Mirror...
Now, with salvia, it is difficult for lots of experience (especially the first ones) to make sense.
I felt many times I should take in consideration the way I do it in order to come in a less messy place.
now I think if you're up to work with this plant teacher you can experiment yourself with set and settings.
Like after a sauna session or an aromatic bath, I feel generally refreshed, and quite in tune to go to the salvia realm.
But I know that salvia is (if you like botany) a nice green plant to grow (quite easily) and I think very attaching (I've never so attach to a plant this way), well in some way you get back the love/care you provide it back to you.
Currently I still smoke some (and lost my plants moving in europe :( but I like the sublingual/quid way to build up more of a consistent context of work with it. Once you're sensitive with this diterpenoïd you can have very good journey and this way (through the mouth skin) is more a beautiful energy ( how can I say, more managable, less risk of disphoric experience?).
Hmm I could go on and on about this specific plant as I truly love it..
 
How would I be able to grow it?
Can't order any salvia things online in my state, the only reason I have extracts is because... well you know...

I've been interested in trying quidding for quite some time. Can I still have a breakthrough experience quidding?
How much plain leaf should I chew on for the 30 minutes? And will I feel effects while I'm holding the saliva in my mouth, or is it only like 10 minutes after having it in your mouth for 30 minutes?

I might try that today :D
 
I'm sure you found method on sagewisdom.org (sorry I'm this side of the atlantic ocean where it's still legal to grow and get)..
I use tinctures cause I found them more practical (I would love to quid fresh leaves from home grown plants) but try it.
It is much more difficult to me to have a breakthrough than with the smoke bridge and you need here to make yourself very relaxed and well concentrate beforehand, it's almost a ritual to call lady Salvia.. but if you listen carefully can breakthrough and then that's amazingly captivating, and so fast through other realms for like half an hour full on!! I've have my most powerful experiences in this way. It's just hard to explain, there's np rule it would work for sure but work thoroughly your preparation time beforehand.
The best situation is to be in the most sensory deprivation you can offer to yourself (lying down, relaxed, with no sound, no light-or tiny candle and eyes shut etc ).
Research a bit but I usually keep half an hour meditating while keeping it then spit the quid out (usually you start to feel numb by then) and let go of everything that surrounds you, the tiny distraction around will be ancre to this reality.
Wish you a nice ride mate !!
 
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