Salvinorin, Symbol, and the Art of Inner Descent

[m.w.r.labs]

Hello Nexus!

I'm honored to join this unique space of explorers, visionaries, and seekers of deep knowledge.

I've been walking a symbolic and ritual path that weaves traditional alchemy with direct entheogenic experience. My current focus is Salvia divinorum, which I view not just as a plant teacher, but as a cosmic doorway embedded within the neuro-symbolic architecture of human consciousness.

I’ve had prior experience with smoked Salvia (full breakthroughs and ego dissolution), but I’m now preparing a carefully measured rectal administration using an extract I made myself (from 40g of dried leaf, purified via IPA and infused in cocoa butter).

My intention is to invite a gentler yet deeper and more stable experience — a descent rather than an explosion.

My approach blends:
– Pharmacological responsibility (clean extraction, dose control)
– Deep symbolic ritual (inspired by inner alchemy, lunar cycles, fixed vs volatile spirit)
– Integration through journaling, meditation, and artistic expression

I hope to learn from the incredible collective wisdom here, and eventually offer back my own results and tools — especially around this lesser-explored route for Salvinorin A.

Thank you for having me.
May the Light behind the Leaf be kind.

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[Transform]

Hello and welcome!
It's exciting to hear of your plans since there's very little info on that ROA for salvia. Have you tried chewing the fresh leaves?

 

[m.w.r.labs]

Hello and welcome!
It's exciting to hear of your plans since there's very little info on that ROA for salvia. Have you tried chewing the fresh leaves?

Hi Transform, and thank you for the warm welcome!

Yes, I’ve actually experimented with fresh leaf chewing in the past — although not always with fresh material.

Most recently, I tried chewing about 5 grams of dry leaf, which I had previously potentiated with an additional 30 grams of leaf extract. The intention was to see whether a smaller, empowered dose could yield deeper effects.

In earlier trials, I chewed up to 30g of dry leaf over a 3.5-hour meditative session, always preceded by aggressively brushing the gums and gargling with 96% ethanol, to optimize sublingual absorption. I did feel some results — increased introspection, a gentle sedative pull — but it was still far from what deeper salvinorin absorption can unlock.

However, in this latest experiment with the 5g potentiated dose, I rehydrated the leaves not with water, but with 96% ethanol, and chewed for around 40 minutes. This made a significant difference.

The experience was quite defined:

Closed-eye visions began to appear,

A strong sense of being observed by a silent crowd of meditating presences,

Shadows on the ceiling (lit by candlelight) became fluid and distorted, in a calm, almost ceremonial way.


Unlike smoked salvia, there was no sudden rupture of time or dimension — just a deep tranquility and a sense of being seen. No paranoia or fear, just a subtle but distinct visionary layer.

That said… chewing for 40 minutes on ethanol-soaked leaf isn’t exactly enjoyable — especially when the material has been potentiated. The bitterness is quite intense!

So while the experience was meaningful and more immersive than past attempts, I still feel that this isn’t the most effective or elegant ROA — hence my current work on the rectal route with cocoa butter.

Looking forward to exchanging ideas on this lesser-charted territory.

Warmly,
Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[dithyramb]

You can try quidding after drinking rue. IMO, similar to DMT, salvia is much enhanced and preferable with rue. You will need less material, and the experience will be much more full on.

 

[m.w.r.labs]

Hi dithyramb,

Fascinating suggestion — thank you.

I hadn’t considered rue in relation to Salvia before, but your comparison to DMT can make sense: shifting the neurochemical landscape beforehand could indeed allow for a deeper descent, especially within the introspective or imaginal layers of the experience.

While salvinorin A isn’t broken down by MAO, rue may well alter the inner atmosphere — enhancing receptivity and perhaps slowing the unfolding just enough to make it more embodied.

I’ve worked with rue before in other contexts, but never in this particular pairing. I’ll definitely reflect on it — and I’m quite tempted to give it a try.

As always, gratitude for new angles.
We’re explorers of subtle doors, and sometimes the lock responds better with a different key.

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[premeditated]

Hello and welcome!
It's exciting to hear of your plans since there's very little info on that ROA for salvia. Have you tried chewing the fresh leaves?

I've heard it's disrespectful to smoke it that's why it gives you crazy experiences. You think there's truth to that?

 

[m.w.r.labs]

Beautiful question.

I do believe there’s some truth to it. Not in the sense that the plant punishes you, but that smoking rips through layers that were meant to be approached gradually, ritually, and with humility. It’s like breaking through a temple wall instead of entering through the door.

Mazatec tradition never smoked it — they listened to it through the leaves. Quidding invites you into her presence with time, taste, rhythm. Smoking forces a presence that may not be ready to reveal herself… or may reveal too much too quickly.

That said, the intensity of smoked Salvia can still be meaningful — but it must be framed as an ordeal, not as communion. I think the violence many people feel comes from this misalignment.

So maybe not “disrespect” in a moral sense, but a mismatch in language. And the response is often chaos.

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[premeditated]

Beautiful question.

I do believe there’s some truth to it. Not in the sense that the plant punishes you, but that smoking rips through layers that were meant to be approached gradually, ritually, and with humility. It’s like breaking through a temple wall instead of entering through the door.

Mazatec tradition never smoked it — they listened to it through the leaves. Quidding invites you into her presence with time, taste, rhythm. Smoking forces a presence that may not be ready to reveal herself… or may reveal too much too quickly.

That said, the intensity of smoked Salvia can still be meaningful — but it must be framed as an ordeal, not as communion. I think the violence many people feel comes from this misalignment.

So maybe not “disrespect” in a moral sense, but a mismatch in language. And the response is often chaos.

— Erri
(The Solitary
Alchemist)

Appreciate the knowledge. I've read countless of reports and never heard anyone speak of it spiritually like you. Except for one person on YouTube. Good luck with your journey.

 

[m.w.r.labs]

Thanks for that — it’s good to hear.

I’ve always felt that Salvia deserves a different kind of language. One that treats her less like a drug and more like a presence. If even one person hears that tone and recognizes it — then it’s worth sharing.

Happy to exchange more as things unfold — both with this ROA and along my broader path with the plant.
Let’s keep going.

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[Transform]

Funny (if a little tangential) coincidence: I've realised that you posted after I'd found - in a giveaway box - a book about organic chemistry, written in Italian [which is not the local language where I am]. I always pick up chemistry books if I find them, but this is the first one in Italian. Make of that what you will

Thank you for your responses and insights so far, it will be good having you here.

 

[m.w.r.labs]

That’s a beautiful coincidence — or perhaps a well-placed wink from the language of symbols.

I like to think these little moments arise when subtler layers begin to align. Italian chemistry books, Salvia threads, improbable timings… all part of the same hidden choreography. Sometimes the universe speaks through giveaway boxes too.

Thanks again for the warm welcome — I already feel at home among curious minds like yours.

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[Transform]

Back on topic, have you found many of our threads on intrarectal preparations? Sometimes referred to as "boofing"…

How far have you got with formulations for optimising bioavailability via the rectal route? The French pharmacological literature might have some more information (at least, it was noted in my pharmacology course that intrarectal preparations were more popular in France, albeit this was several decades ago.)

How does this line up with use of medications in Italy, by the way?

 

[m.w.r.labs]

Yes, I’ve explored some threads here and there, but much of what I’m developing still feels like uncharted terrain — especially when dealing with lipophilic compounds like Salvinorin A.

So far, my aim has been to create a clean, minimal infusion using anhydrous cocoa butter, chosen both for its biocompatibility and its symbolic resonance as a carrier of warmth and “soft unfolding.” I’ve focused on reducing plant residue after extraction (IPA method), and avoiding emulsifiers or surfactants unless absolutely necessary.

From what I’ve gathered, rectal absorption tends to favor small molecular weight and high permeability — and Salvinorin A, being non-polar and remarkably potent, should be suitable. But we’ll see how it behaves in the field over the coming days. As for further optimization, lecithin-based microemulsions are on my radar, though I haven’t ventured there yet.

As for Italy: the rectal route is still relatively common, especially in pediatric and geriatric contexts. There’s far less cultural taboo around it compared to Anglo spheres. I’ve always found it meaningful how much can be absorbed in silence — bypassing the mouth, bypassing logos. It seems to suit the nature of the plant.

Appreciate the pointer on French literature — I’ll certainly dig into that.

More to come as testing unfolds.

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[purrpuss]

I’d love to create a full spectrum(water+alcohol) herbal extract sublingual or rectal drip of salvinorin. This could theoretically allow for an all day, very gentle & consistent salvinorin experience. After meditating on most modes of delivery it’s the one I’ve come up with, alongside what would be the absolute most stable(albeit without full spectrum & some DMT flare added): IV Salvinorin-A extract + DMT-fumarate

However what you are doing also sounds super amazing. I really do feel like every mode of administration has it's magic when handled with care.

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

Greetings Erri, and welcome.
Fascinating to hear of your area of exploration.
What you say about approaching salvia's layers gently and respectfully makes a lot of sense to me, as my only experience was ignorant and very unpleasant!
As for the suppositories, I had a very serious ear infection in France when I was young. My mum explained the French had special medicine that you put up your bum. For an ear infection?? I took a lot of convincing

 

[Transform]

Greetings Erri, and welcome.
Fascinating to hear of your area of exploration.
What you say about approaching salvia's layers gently and respectfully makes a lot of sense to me, as my only experience was ignorant and very unpleasant!
As for the suppositories, I had a very serious ear infection in France when I was young. My mum explained the French had special medicine that you put up your bum. For an ear infection?? I took a lot of convincing

My experience of having an ear infection in Denmark was somewhat different. The antibiotics were dosed orally, but the doctor advised to eat a lot of yoghurt - which was nice since there were a lot of nice flavours of very good yoghurt to choose from, in contrast to the UK at the time. (Apologies for the complete tangent!)

 

[m.w.r.labs]

I’d love to create a full spectrum(water+alcohol) herbal extract sublingual or rectal drip of salvinorin. This could theoretically allow for an all day, very gentle & consistent salvinorin experience. After meditating on most modes of delivery it’s the one I’ve come up with, alongside what would be the absolute most stable(albeit without full spectrum & some DMT flare added): IV Salvinorin-A extract + DMT-fumarate

However what you are doing also sounds super amazing. I really do feel like every mode of administration has it's magic when handled with care.

That sounds super interesting — especially the idea of an all-day, steady-state experience with salvinorin. I’ve been trying to move in a similar direction with minimal ingredients, mostly to let the compound speak in its own language without too much interference.

The IV route with DMT-fumarate is wild to imagine… not sure I’m ready to go that far yet, but I totally get the appeal of precision and stability.

Honestly, every ROA really does feel like a different kind of dialogue with the plant. Still so much to discover.

Curious to hear more about how your full-spectrum experiments go!

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[m.w.r.labs]

Greetings Erri, and welcome.
Fascinating to hear of your area of exploration.
What you say about approaching salvia's layers gently and respectfully makes a lot of sense to me, as my only experience was ignorant and very unpleasant!
As for the suppositories, I had a very serious ear infection in France when I was young. My mum explained the French had special medicine that you put up your bum. For an ear infection?? I took a lot of convincing

Haha, yeah… approaching Salvia with respect makes all the difference. It’s not the kind of spirit you can just barge in on. I’ve found the slower, layered approach reveals a whole different personality — like she’s shy at first but deep when she opens up.

And wow, suppositories for an ear infection? That’s some old-school European medicine for sure I guess the rectal route has always had this quiet efficiency — gets the job done while bypassing all the noise.

Feels good to be around folks who get the weird beauty of this path.

— Erri
(The Solitary Alchemist)

 

[m.w.r.labs]

> UPDATE – Two failed attempts & feline sabotage



I’ve now attempted rectal administration twice, using what I estimated to be around 2–3 mg of salvinorin, infused in cocoa butter.

Unfortunately... no effects at all. Just a slightly threshold shifts.

Now — in the spirit of pharmacological honesty — I should mention that the dosage is roughly estimated because… well…
let’s say that midway through preparation, both of my cats decided the ritual space needed some chaos.

Between overturned containers, it’s hard to say how much of the material actually ended up in the final suppository.

That said, I suspect that impurities (tannins, waxes, unfiltered material) might have further hindered absorption.

I’m now planning a new batch — aiming for cleaner salvinorin (possibly re-X via ethanol or acetone), no waxes, no tannins, no feline interventions.

I still believe this ROA has massive unexplored potential — and I’m not giving up.

More trials to come.

> Note to self: next time, seal the ritual circle. Especially against whiskered entities of entropy.

 

[m.w.r.labs]

> A note on the deeper intent behind this next phase:

I’m not trying to find out if rectal Salvia can lead to a breakthrough — I’m convinced it can, at the right dose.

What I’m exploring is something more subtle:

I’ll be taking 500 μg of purified salvinorin A, rectally, once per night for 28 nights —
always at the same time, in complete darkness and silence,
and with total abstinence from cannabis or any other substance. Sex or masturbation included.

The goal isn’t to force anything.
In fact, the dose is intentionally sub-breakthrough at the beginning.

But Salvinorin A has a curious and well known inverse tolerance —
and I want to see if, through this rhythm of silent repetition,
the gates begin to open slowly, on their own, and gift me with a complete breakthrough.

And if they do, I want to know:
🜂 Is it more manageable?
Is the duration longer?
Is the insight clearer?

Maybe the Temple doesn’t need to be stormed.

Maybe it invites you in — if you knock the same way,
every night, with clean hands and no voice.