San pedro question

[phillyd]

Hello,

I have been using this site to gather info for sometime now and have recently just got my first ever pull of DMT using a tweaked version of lazymans tek. I felt it was time to join and share my opinions with those who had shared theres. But my question relatesto something different about 2 months ago i ate 65 grams of san pedro and after fasting for 6 hours prior had very intense effects however even though i had a very good trip i suffered really bad neusea, stomach cramps,sweating,shaking and fever like symptoms through out which put a downer on the experience it made it very hard for me to move as when i did felt likei was going to pass out. Is this normal of a san pedro experience is my question as would love to try it again however im not game for the pain.

Thanks

 

[endlessness]

hello and welcome!

I have never taken big quantity of san pedro powder or tea, but im sure it would also give me bad nausea... Resin and mescaline have been quite gentle on the stomach to me. I would suggest you extract or make a simple resin tek, I can imagine it would also be better for you

 

[phillyd]

thanks,

My main concern was that the potentcy would be lost if i tried doing the suggested. how powerful were the effects you experienced?

 

[endlessness]

you will have to ask someone else that has extracted from dry cactus to know the yield so you compare what a dose is like, equivalently.

I extracted from fresh cactus. A 1,7kg 50cm cutting was simmered four times for a few hours, and the water evapped to yield about 65g of resin, and maybe 6-7g would be equivalent to 100mics acid in terms of strenght, so that would be 10 doses in this amount of cactus.

and the other mescaline acetate extraction was done on unmeasured amount of cactus so couldnt really say about yield....

 

[phillyd]

thats perfect cheers for the advice

 

[dragon-n]

i have much experience with eating dried cactus. i used to down 50 grams worth of dried powder all the time and my stomach hated it!! the nausea never got too intense though for me. some people have iron stomachs, i'd say i'm in between. my advice to you is to get more potent cacti. this is the key: look for "dried outer green flesh" only, not "whole dried cactus flesh." i've read in Trout's notes on san pedro about studies done where they obtained 5% mescaline by dry weight from OUTER green flesh. if the entire cactus is used you can expect around 1% mescaline dry weight or less (these are averages of course.) what this means, in the practical world is simply this: you can eat 15 grams of dried outer green flesh and reap about 500 to 750 mgs mescaline!!!
this makes it much easier on the belly, i find.
though the alkaloids themselves are nauseating too, so you may just have a sensitivity to them, in which case you won't be able to escape the uncomfortable feelings no matter how you eat it.
some people just can't handle cactus alkaloids, they get too sick.
i pray you find your way through that dilemma and tame your belly so that you, too, may experience their blessed teachings!!

 

[alzabo]

I've found that having food in my belly is key. I've only had stomache pains when imbibing on an empty stomache. Your mileage may vary but it's worth a shot, I say.

Here's a thread discussing the how to purify the cactus using hot water and lemon juice.

Resin. The way to go. - Preparation - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[phillyd]

I never looked into powdered green cactus. when i ate the cactus was just dried chunks. That is interesting and i agree this might be the key cheers dragon-n. also thanks alzabo eating possible might stop it irritating my stomach lining and will try the purification method next time. Im very happy with your answers and they both have factors i had not considered

 

[alzabo]

It's also worth noting that you can use powdered cactus in an aqueas extraction such as tea or resin tech, if you put the powder in tea bags of some sort. Otherwise, the powder and water is impossible to filter later on as it just clogs up everything. I've found the sleeve of and old dress shirt, tied at both ends works well for large quantities.

 

[Moose Man]

The largest dose of cactus powder (Torch) I have eaten was 55 grams and it took over 100 "O" sized capsules. If you haven't guessed already, that sucks. Don't get me wrong, the trip was great - and lasted a full 24 hours! But the stomach pains and constipation just isn't worth it to me when I can try an extract.

I have done this twice and both times I peaked about 7 hours in, after waiting 2 or so hours to notice first effects. I think it has to do with the fact that there is so many pills and powder it takes a while to digest and the trip is smoother and way longer. It must have been potent powder because these were epic trips for me and everyone else involved but I just can't go through the stomach pains I get from it anymore. Like other have mentioned some people are fine like my friend but just not me.

I would drink tea or eat dried cactus but never again eat powder.

 

[rOm]

SWIM got 1 gram mescaline acetate from 50 peruvian torch dried powder.