ive taken one tab of lsd once, and half an 1/8th of mushrooms once. i learned im very sensitive to drugs. the mushrooms put me in absolute hell, one of the worst times of my life. the acid i was able to enjoy somewhat, even though i was freaking out. anyway, my question: is there anyone here who freaks out on other psychedelics, but can handle dmt?
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absolutely not
you probably shouldnt even go down this long, strange, and intense road before you are actually comfortable sitting still while under the influence of classical psychedelics
because if you smoke enough dmt, you will die, and you will enter another world, and it will scare you more than you could ever imagine, and theres nothing you can do about it, except live the eternity over and over and over again.
you probably shouldnt even go down this long, strange, and intense road before you are actually comfortable sitting still while under the influence of classical psychedelics
because if you smoke enough dmt, you will die, and you will enter another world, and it will scare you more than you could ever imagine, and theres nothing you can do about it, except live the eternity over and over and over again.
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Mushrooms and lsd lasts much longer than dmt. You could try working with low dose ayahuasca and work yourself into it.
As for 'is he serious?', I presume that he doesn't mean you will physically die. But that at the time of taking the DMT, it probably will make you feel like you have died and feel like you are stuck in another world for eternity. I'd be interested to hear your bad experience though. A lot of the trip reports I have come across for many substances seem to be positive ones for some reason.
Well, I freak out on weed, a little on shrooms, less on LSD, not really on DMT. It may be completely abnormal, but I'm sure I'm not alone.
"half an 1/8th of mushrooms"
And you freaked out, really? Like, one 16th of a gram? Well that's pretty abnormal indeed.
"half an 1/8th of mushrooms"
And you freaked out, really? Like, one 16th of a gram? Well that's pretty abnormal indeed.
Prehaps when you had these experiences you were in the wrong setting or enviroment wich led to the fear. This used to happen to me alot hen I was younger so I quit because its very damaging but things like setting and mood are the kinds of things people overlook when they first try things. Only you know if youre ready for it though if you think not then its probabally not worth risking it right now.
My mushroom experiences have put me into utter hell as well. Similarly I do enjoy my acid experiences a lot even though they can get a bit rough from time to time. My smoked spice experiences rank the best experiences of my life, and even though my 8 hour ayahuasca trip which wasn't the smoothest ride, I got a lot out of it, and was happy to have done it. Smoked experiences, at least for me and the way I see it are much safer than the classic psychedelics because of the extremely short duration. A lot of times, any freak outs I've had have been due to the fact that I continuously couldn't come back in touch with reality, and not so much the fact that reality was so obscured. Either that or I had some problems in my life that I couldn't deal with and shouldn't have been tripping on that day in the first place. Anyway, I would recommend giving spice a try from someone who's been in a similar boat.
maybe just try a few low doses first to get your toes wet, then try a larger dose in a safe place with a friend close by if your comfortable. Oh and the preflight anxiety before dmt is pretty much inevitable. Its always soo worth the leap though!
I know people that have freaked out on that amount of shrooms and been fine on dmt. just gotta accept the bad trips once its over and try and learn what you can from them. How you felt during one mushroom trip doesn't necessarily mean you will have a bad experience with other psychedelics at all. for example-I get more paranoia from weed than anything else. and my first few lsd trips were hell because of how i went about dong it, but now there amazing for the most part. set and setting work wonders in flipping these bad trips around.
I know people that have freaked out on that amount of shrooms and been fine on dmt. just gotta accept the bad trips once its over and try and learn what you can from them. How you felt during one mushroom trip doesn't necessarily mean you will have a bad experience with other psychedelics at all. for example-I get more paranoia from weed than anything else. and my first few lsd trips were hell because of how i went about dong it, but now there amazing for the most part. set and setting work wonders in flipping these bad trips around.
No, it is 1/16th of an ounce so around 1.75grams - some people are sensitive enough to have an overwhelming trip at this dose.Shayku said:
"No, it is 1/16th of an ounce so around 1.75grams - some people are sensitive enough to have an overwhelming trip at this dose. "
Ah, well yes, that makes sense. In fact I'll be exploring precisely that territory this weekend if the setting turns out to be right, and I'm one of those people who are subject to paranoia and being overwhelmed. I haven't tried shrooms in a while, I like to think I've acquired new mental tools and wisdom, so we'll see where it takes me.
To come back to the OP, I think DMT is worth trying, but as others have said, set and setting have to be right. A meditative mood is important. A lot of things make DMT a great candidate for those of us who are "sensitive" to psychedelics. It's very short, so you don't get that feeling of being trapped for hours on end like you might get with LSD. It doesn't affect the thought processes so much as "replace the world", as Mckenna said, so you don't become the victim of your own paranoia as you might with weed. And it takes you so far away that you usually don't have to deal with a "remixed" reality, something which sometimes can give me trouble if the setting isn't perfect. The initial rush can be difficult in that sense, but beyond it you're somewhere else.
I say read up, take it slow and let go.
Ah, well yes, that makes sense. In fact I'll be exploring precisely that territory this weekend if the setting turns out to be right, and I'm one of those people who are subject to paranoia and being overwhelmed. I haven't tried shrooms in a while, I like to think I've acquired new mental tools and wisdom, so we'll see where it takes me.
To come back to the OP, I think DMT is worth trying, but as others have said, set and setting have to be right. A meditative mood is important. A lot of things make DMT a great candidate for those of us who are "sensitive" to psychedelics. It's very short, so you don't get that feeling of being trapped for hours on end like you might get with LSD. It doesn't affect the thought processes so much as "replace the world", as Mckenna said, so you don't become the victim of your own paranoia as you might with weed. And it takes you so far away that you usually don't have to deal with a "remixed" reality, something which sometimes can give me trouble if the setting isn't perfect. The initial rush can be difficult in that sense, but beyond it you're somewhere else.
I say read up, take it slow and let go.
Half an eighth, a full eighth, more...doesn't really matter. My bad experiences haven't stemmed from large doses. They haven't been bad because it was too trippy. In fact the psychedelia were often the positive things I grasped onto during freak outs. It's usually some negative emotion that manages to get distorted and blown out of proportion. In fact my rockiest acid experiences are usually at lower doses. My higher ones usually go off without a hitch.
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Honestly dmt is diffrent for everyone. We can tell you the waters warm or the waters cold but you'll never know until you jump on in. :d
What are your intentions for wanting to meet with DMT?
What WERE your intentions in meeting with other teachers--or did you have no intentions at the time?
The first experience I EVER had, before cannabis, before trying alcohol, was 1/8 of mushrooms. It was intense, amazing, and definitely terrifying at points. Mushrooms felt really intense.
However, compared to the places DMT and Ayahuasca have taken me... mushrooms are a walk in the park. It's like comparing a rocketship to a tricycle. I LOVE mushrooms, they can be extremely powerful, extremely healing, they are to be treated with much respect and I don't mean to undermine this powerful medicine, BUT... in my experiences (numbering in the several hundreds), I find DMT/Ayahuasca that much more powerful, in comparison to mushrooms.
I have been able to explore because of my strong attention to ritual space (clean house, clean mind, caring for my body) and setting strong intentions. I meet with the medicine to learn and heal, so it's essentially a contract, that, whenever I engage the medicine, whatever experiences that come my way are there for a reason. Even if the experiences are scary at the time, they are what I have come for, so the context is completely different.
Know your medicine. Know yourself, your intentions. Prepare extremely well, make sure you are safe, leave no stone unturned. It is possible to have the most amazing experience--but do not take it lightly!
Blessings.
What WERE your intentions in meeting with other teachers--or did you have no intentions at the time?
The first experience I EVER had, before cannabis, before trying alcohol, was 1/8 of mushrooms. It was intense, amazing, and definitely terrifying at points. Mushrooms felt really intense.
However, compared to the places DMT and Ayahuasca have taken me... mushrooms are a walk in the park. It's like comparing a rocketship to a tricycle. I LOVE mushrooms, they can be extremely powerful, extremely healing, they are to be treated with much respect and I don't mean to undermine this powerful medicine, BUT... in my experiences (numbering in the several hundreds), I find DMT/Ayahuasca that much more powerful, in comparison to mushrooms.
I have been able to explore because of my strong attention to ritual space (clean house, clean mind, caring for my body) and setting strong intentions. I meet with the medicine to learn and heal, so it's essentially a contract, that, whenever I engage the medicine, whatever experiences that come my way are there for a reason. Even if the experiences are scary at the time, they are what I have come for, so the context is completely different.
Know your medicine. Know yourself, your intentions. Prepare extremely well, make sure you are safe, leave no stone unturned. It is possible to have the most amazing experience--but do not take it lightly!
Blessings.
why i want to try it: im very curious. and i dont like the idea of living life without trying something so powerful
i think the setting was ok both times, the park and the beach.
what freaks me out most about weed, is my heart POUNDS. i know it speeds up on dmt, but do you really notice it?
what makes my trip bad on psychedelics is not that the visuals are overwhelming, its me. i get extremely philosophical and negative. i am normally like this, but on psychedelics, its more believable and it hits you harder, and i cant imagine ever going back to my normal way of thinking. so if dmt doesnt do that, i think i might be ok.
is the body high overwhelming for anyone? weed is for me, its like im underwater, and feel like my body is less there, and slowmotion. i imagine thats what death is like.
also, does the duration really matter, i mean, cant the ten minutes feel like hours, days?
i think the setting was ok both times, the park and the beach.
what freaks me out most about weed, is my heart POUNDS. i know it speeds up on dmt, but do you really notice it?
what makes my trip bad on psychedelics is not that the visuals are overwhelming, its me. i get extremely philosophical and negative. i am normally like this, but on psychedelics, its more believable and it hits you harder, and i cant imagine ever going back to my normal way of thinking. so if dmt doesnt do that, i think i might be ok.
is the body high overwhelming for anyone? weed is for me, its like im underwater, and feel like my body is less there, and slowmotion. i imagine thats what death is like.
also, does the duration really matter, i mean, cant the ten minutes feel like hours, days?
I know that heart pounding can be one of the most unnerving things from an intense high, but with DMT if you notice it at first, you'll most likely be distracted by all of the other incoming sensory information. I know that heart rate and what not is supposed to increase upon DMT consumption, but with both smoked spice as well as ayahuasca, I never noticed my heart pounding, and I have been very sensitive to that disturbance with other substances.
"what freaks me out most about weed, is my heart POUNDS. i know it speeds up on dmt, but do you really notice it?"
I would get that too. I would feel my pulse all the way to the tip of my fingers, almost like a panic attack. Not good. On DMT, I don't feel my heart. I'm sure it speeds up, especially at first, but I would attribute that to the "excitement" of entering another world. Maybe that's wrong, maybe it's a direct physiological effect, but either way, I've never felt overwhelmed by my own heart as has happened with weed or during a panic attack.
"what makes my trip bad on psychedelics is not that the visuals are overwhelming, its me. i get extremely philosophical and negative."
Again, I can totally relate, and for me, DMT doesn't do that. It doesn't change the thought pattern. If you're normally like that, then you'll be like that, and you might actually learn to be less like that, as I have a bit. DMT is really humbling to me. There's no way your ego can puff up and try to fight it as my ego tries to do with weed. You kinda have to kneel down on the inside.
"is the body high overwhelming for anyone? weed is for me, its like im underwater, and feel like my body is less there, and slowmotion. i imagine thats what death is like."
Yes. Especially when the trip comes on. As someone said somewhere, it's like drowning and being electrocuted at the same time. But once you go past that point, once the pipe has been taken away and you're laying back and closing your eyes, then you can meditate beyond it, forget your body and flow away. But yes, the body high is very strange. The first time I did DMT, I kept my eyes open and was trying to stay in the world. I felt as though there were waves of liquid electricity flowing under my skin. It was not comfortable, but not threatening either, too weird to be threatening.
"also, does the duration really matter, i mean, cant the ten minutes feel like hours, days?"
Well, yes, they can feel much longer, and you may loose your sense of time, but I alway retain the memory that I've done DMT, so "ten minutes" can be a mantra of sorts, to remind you that reality is coming back. That being said, the best way out is through. Pay attention to the visuals, flow with them, let it come, you'll be fine.
I would get that too. I would feel my pulse all the way to the tip of my fingers, almost like a panic attack. Not good. On DMT, I don't feel my heart. I'm sure it speeds up, especially at first, but I would attribute that to the "excitement" of entering another world. Maybe that's wrong, maybe it's a direct physiological effect, but either way, I've never felt overwhelmed by my own heart as has happened with weed or during a panic attack.
"what makes my trip bad on psychedelics is not that the visuals are overwhelming, its me. i get extremely philosophical and negative."
Again, I can totally relate, and for me, DMT doesn't do that. It doesn't change the thought pattern. If you're normally like that, then you'll be like that, and you might actually learn to be less like that, as I have a bit. DMT is really humbling to me. There's no way your ego can puff up and try to fight it as my ego tries to do with weed. You kinda have to kneel down on the inside.
"is the body high overwhelming for anyone? weed is for me, its like im underwater, and feel like my body is less there, and slowmotion. i imagine thats what death is like."
Yes. Especially when the trip comes on. As someone said somewhere, it's like drowning and being electrocuted at the same time. But once you go past that point, once the pipe has been taken away and you're laying back and closing your eyes, then you can meditate beyond it, forget your body and flow away. But yes, the body high is very strange. The first time I did DMT, I kept my eyes open and was trying to stay in the world. I felt as though there were waves of liquid electricity flowing under my skin. It was not comfortable, but not threatening either, too weird to be threatening.
"also, does the duration really matter, i mean, cant the ten minutes feel like hours, days?"
Well, yes, they can feel much longer, and you may loose your sense of time, but I alway retain the memory that I've done DMT, so "ten minutes" can be a mantra of sorts, to remind you that reality is coming back. That being said, the best way out is through. Pay attention to the visuals, flow with them, let it come, you'll be fine.
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