What did you keep from the above, the precipitate or the solution?
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Separating Resin into its components
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Very interesting i wonder what the precipitate is this time!
So, so far Acetone dropped a precipitate out, and furtherly methanol dropped some more.It would be interesting to compare those precipitates, and also to see what actives are where.
So, so far Acetone dropped a precipitate out, and furtherly methanol dropped some more.It would be interesting to compare those precipitates, and also to see what actives are where.
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Was the resin or percipitate active?
Phlux, Thank you very much for this interesting but extremely overlooked thread. I think this acetone cleanup could become a new standard procedure for making resin. Alright, it somehow takes away the foodsafe aspect of it...but i find it amzazing just how much white slimy stuff precipitated out of my tea (made from resin)...no wonder my resin was so weak if 2/3s of it is proteins and cellulose!
Again, thank you!!
Again, thank you!!
Whoo-hooooo, Phluxy man ! Very nice, just a tad smelly :roll: (mean acetone evaporation)
This one certainly work!!!
......already done:
- ILPT made tea from 50 g dried outer flesh chunks with soft water and 1 lemon in four (2 hours long) boils
- pooled the boils ,simmered (evaporated down) and let the particles settle for 24 hours
- carefuly decanted and filtrated trough the coffee filter
He then added twice the volume of pure acetone and sticky white clustered precip. indeed formed
- this was removed and discarded
- solution is allowed to settle overnight ( 10-12 hrs ) before it was carefuly decanted and filtered
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..... in progress:
-Ilpt will lightly simmer this solution to 1/3 of it`s actual volume
-he`ll pour this into large shallow dish and let it evaporate at room t. with fan aid ,down to thick syrup
- syrup will be chilled down and then mixed with some anhydrous Ca(OH)2 to get it as dry as possible
- product will be futher dried without using heat (just a fan) then crumbled and powderized.
- this powder will be extracted with anhydrous IPA
-alks could be recoverd by gassing with HCL (maybe CO2 ?) or simply adding a bit of vinegar or hcl and evaporate down.
On the end of the day , isn`t this more time and energy consuming then 69Ron`s tek ? ? ?
This one certainly work!!!
......already done:
- ILPT made tea from 50 g dried outer flesh chunks with soft water and 1 lemon in four (2 hours long) boils
- pooled the boils ,simmered (evaporated down) and let the particles settle for 24 hours
- carefuly decanted and filtrated trough the coffee filter
He then added twice the volume of pure acetone and sticky white clustered precip. indeed formed
- this was removed and discarded
- solution is allowed to settle overnight ( 10-12 hrs ) before it was carefuly decanted and filtered
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
..... in progress:
-Ilpt will lightly simmer this solution to 1/3 of it`s actual volume
-he`ll pour this into large shallow dish and let it evaporate at room t. with fan aid ,down to thick syrup
- syrup will be chilled down and then mixed with some anhydrous Ca(OH)2 to get it as dry as possible
- product will be futher dried without using heat (just a fan) then crumbled and powderized.
- this powder will be extracted with anhydrous IPA
-alks could be recoverd by gassing with HCL (maybe CO2 ?) or simply adding a bit of vinegar or hcl and evaporate down.
On the end of the day , isn`t this more time and energy consuming then 69Ron`s tek ? ? ?
It seems to be great fr making potent resin just with one tiny extra step!!
I just dissolved 24g of resin in hot water and added acetone....wow, s much preciptated out, i really wonder what will be be left!!!
I just dissolved 24g of resin in hot water and added acetone....wow, s much preciptated out, i really wonder what will be be left!!!
So ILPT evaporating last bits of water from his shallow dish and will be able to mixed it with Ca(OH)2 in the morning , let it dry during the day , pull it in the evening with IPA and evaporate IPA overnight.
ILPT used good deal of heat (hot plate), so he`ll see wheter lemon form of mescaline survived or not,all the cooking and boiling down.
By using modified 69ron`s tek after this time ILPT would have good 2/3 of flesh exhausted and product in form of washed hydrochloride salts.
None of them current teks for cacti extraction are as swift as ILPT need them to be, need to speculate more how to save time in these x-traction s
ILPT used good deal of heat (hot plate), so he`ll see wheter lemon form of mescaline survived or not,all the cooking and boiling down.
By using modified 69ron`s tek after this time ILPT would have good 2/3 of flesh exhausted and product in form of washed hydrochloride salts.
None of them current teks for cacti extraction are as swift as ILPT need them to be, need to speculate more how to save time in these x-traction s
24g turned into 5g resin after the cleanup
It evaporated too much and become very hard and resinous.
ILPT moistened to get honey like consistence and start adding Ca(OH)2 by little sprinkling on the top and mixing in with spatula. It start to smell strong of ammonia or some alkylamin. *
He add a little bit three more times until there was no ammonia smell following the addition and substance become very though and sticky almost imposible to mix or spread around the shallow pyrex dish.
He will let this dry , then grind and extract with IPA
*ILPT has a suspicion that ammonia smell is sign of some alkaloid being destroyed by high pH and that alkaloid could be either active or synergic with mescaline.
People claiming magicly high potency of this resin, it must have logical explanation.
In next experiment would be probably wise to get say pH of 8 first and then rising the pH accordingly to get pH 12 and retrieve all alkaloids.
Can`t wait for results
ILPT moistened to get honey like consistence and start adding Ca(OH)2 by little sprinkling on the top and mixing in with spatula. It start to smell strong of ammonia or some alkylamin. *
He add a little bit three more times until there was no ammonia smell following the addition and substance become very though and sticky almost imposible to mix or spread around the shallow pyrex dish.
He will let this dry , then grind and extract with IPA
*ILPT has a suspicion that ammonia smell is sign of some alkaloid being destroyed by high pH and that alkaloid could be either active or synergic with mescaline.
People claiming magicly high potency of this resin, it must have logical explanation.
In next experiment would be probably wise to get say pH of 8 first and then rising the pH accordingly to get pH 12 and retrieve all alkaloids.
Can`t wait for results
So, time for a little bioessay report:
24g turned into 5g super resin, but 1.9g of it wasn't potent at all. Maybe like 5g regular resin. It's character was very different to normal resin, perhaps because the acetone also washes away lots of other alkaloids. So it felt similar to unclean acetates, but certainly weaker. So one would need to know his preferences. I come to enjoy the other alkaloids and i really feel that there is great synergy and potentiation.
Maybe i should evap the acetone and test the remains, or work them into the rest of the resin.
24g turned into 5g super resin, but 1.9g of it wasn't potent at all. Maybe like 5g regular resin. It's character was very different to normal resin, perhaps because the acetone also washes away lots of other alkaloids. So it felt similar to unclean acetates, but certainly weaker. So one would need to know his preferences. I come to enjoy the other alkaloids and i really feel that there is great synergy and potentiation.
Maybe i should evap the acetone and test the remains, or work them into the rest of the resin.
thanks for the feedback obli, so it seems plenty of alkaloids are lost in the process too...
Well, it was quite dissapointing, since phlux bioessay was so marked differently.
I also feel that i love the other alkaloids more than the mescaline, at least in a low dose. They glow, they are empathic....euphoric. This was all lacking from the resin extract...i actually felt uneasy in public. With the regular resin, the opposite always was the case.
I also feel that i love the other alkaloids more than the mescaline, at least in a low dose. They glow, they are empathic....euphoric. This was all lacking from the resin extract...i actually felt uneasy in public. With the regular resin, the opposite always was the case.
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