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Several questions SWIM can't find the answer to

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jacetea

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SWIM will keep this very short and to the point:
Using STB methods

1: How badly would the whole process smell during extraction? Would it stink up an entire house? Would opening a window solve most issues? The mix is covered for most of the extraction, but SWIM is worried about stirring and evaporating. Will it set off a fire alarm?

2: When extracting, you save the top layer of naphtha. What do you do with the bottom "sludge" layer? Is it safe to throw down the drain? Or would it be wise to bag it carefully and dispose of it in the garbage?

3: Can SWIM cover his extraction with plastic wrap, then metal foil for a good seal during separation? The plastic will not touch the sludge.

4: When stirring, does naphtha evaporate? SWIM was told to cover his extraction so the naphtha doesn't evaporate. Is it particularly dangerous to breath around the extraction while stirring?

5: What is your opinion on this method for extraction?
hxxp://www.dmttrip.com/extraction.html (change "xx" to "tt")

Keep in mind, this is SWIMs first extraction. He is looking for the quickest method to test the spice and determine whether or not to try better methods. He is aware the results might not be as good as other methods and will take that into consideration when testing.

SWIM thanks you for your time.
 
jacetea said:
SWIM will keep this very short and to the point:
Using STB methods

1: How badly would the whole process smell during extraction? Would it stink up an entire house? Would opening a window solve most issues? The mix is covered for most of the extraction, but SWIM is worried about stirring and evaporating. Will it set off a fire alarm?
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Dont do the extraction if you have to hide from some roommate or parents or whatever.. What stinks most is the naphtha, specially if you evaporate it instead of freeze precipitate.. Think when one paints a house or uses a solvent to remove paint or dirt or whatever, thats how much it smells.

If you are not hiding from people but still you dont want whole house to stink, then make small warm (water bath warming, no open fires!) naphtha pulls, like 50ml per 100g bark, and make more pulls, like 6, and then stick in the freezer. Otherwise you are gonna have to evaporate too much naphtha.


jacetea said:
2: When extracting, you save the top layer of naphtha. What do you do with the bottom "sludge" layer? Is it safe to throw down the drain? Or would it be wise to bag it carefully and dispose of it in the garbage?
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after all the pulls, yes you can flush it down the toilet.. NaOH is used normally to unblock drains, so... If you want and are affraid of environmental problems or whatever, you can mix with vinegar to neutralize it before flushing.

jacetea said:
3: Can SWIM cover his extraction with plastic wrap, then metal foil for a good seal during separation? The plastic will not touch the sludge.
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well, the thing is, if for some reason the plastic does touch the sludge in an accident, you might get some plastic residues in your stuff.. Alluminium foil also should not touch the sludge as it would react with it.. Better use some container that has some stainless steal or HDPE plastic top


jacetea said:
4: When stirring, does naphtha evaporate? SWIM was told to cover his extraction so the naphtha doesn't evaporate. Is it particularly dangerous to breath around the extraction while stirring?
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yeah sure a little bit of naphtha will be evaporating, but in the couple of minutes of stiring, it will be a negligible amount. Well you dont want to be breathing it just like you wouldnt want to be breathing when you are filling up a car with gasoline, but if its a little bit its not the end of the world.. But it doesnt cost anything putting on a simple mask as sold in pharmacies, and having good ventilation.

jacetea said:
5: What is your opinion on this method for extraction?
hxxp://www.dmttrip.com/extraction.html (change "xx" to "tt")
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Check Noman's Tek here in the forum, people seem to have good results with it and its also simple.. The tek you linked has a few issues, for example, do not think you can separate the top layer by pouring it off! This will be a huge mess, as naphtha will run down the side of your container as you pour it, and the sludge will definitely also come together, etc.. Thats NOT the way to go.. Better get a pippette or turkey baster (HDPE plastic or glass!), make the whole extraction in a thinner taller container (which will make the top layer thicker and easier to see/separate). Then pippete accurately all you can, and once you are risking pulling the sludge together, stop, and leave that little naphtha inside, and just add some more for the next pull.

I also think that tek is using way too much naphtha per pull.. Better make smaller pulls and make 6x pulls..

Also, dont just stir the pull once and let layers stand to separate, but rather stir strongly, let stand, when all naphtha layer comes up, stir again, let it stand again, do this a few times, and only then you really pull the naphtha out in each pull.
 
SWIM will do several smaller pulls instead, his room mate is in on it, but others are in the building. Using jars sounds like a better idea to SWIM, less chance of spilling while agitating. He thanks you for this pointer.

What is confusing SWIM now is this:

Do you make more than one pull from the sludge? Quote from Nomans tech

The naptha (top layer) goes in one of the collection jars, the rest stays in the mixing jar with the bark.
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The mixing jar would contain the sludge, so would he take several pulls from the mixing jar, saving the naphtha into separate containers? Then combining them after freezing? SWIM is having trouble understanding exactly which jars should contain DMT, and which ones should have naphtha added to them for separation.

The Ammonia wash is also confusing SWIM. There are notes saying to remove it but it doesn't appear to be updated yet, should SWIM do ammonia regardless or look for other methods?

SWIM thanks you for your time.
 
There will be one main container with the bark+basic water. The naphtha will be added (like, say 50ml per 100g bark) and stired, then it sits and naphtha will rise to top, then stir again, let sit again, repeat few times.. Then, this naphtha will be separated with pippete, and put in a jar, which is closed and goes freezer. Then you make another pull, basically just adding fresh new naphtha to the main container, stiring again and repeating the process... so in the end you will have like 6x pulls in 6 jars in the freezer (or you can, for example, put pull 1 and 2 in same jar, pull 3 and 4 in another, and 5 and 6 in another, so having 3 jars total.. just dont put all of the 6 pulls together because if something goes wrong and you spill or whatever, then you lose everything, so better have them a bit separate, at least 3 jars, also because first pulls usually have better quality whiter crystals and last pulls usually have yellower stuff). You will see one can only pull so much each time before it gets impossible to pull the top layer without also pulling the bottom mimosa mix layer. So only pull what you can do accurately, and the rest, as mentioned, leave there in the mimosa mix, as it will be mixed again with the next pull.. In the last pull, you can crudely pull all the top layer plus maybe a bit of bottom layer to another container that is even thinner and taller... So then from this thinner container it will be easier to separate because layers will be thicker.. and the last last little bit, forget about it, it will contain basically nothing.


As soon as the naphtha is mixed with the mimosa basic mix, then dmt migrates (invisibly of course) from the mimosa mix to the naphtha and will be dissolved in it, until you either put in the freezer, and dmt will precipitate, or you evaporate it, and it will stay behind after naphta. I dont know what you mean with "which ones should have naphtha added for separation".

Do forget the ammonia wash, its nothing but trouble. If your separation of the naphtha from the basic mimosa mix was very crude and you think maybe a bit of the basic liquid came through, then do a sodium carbonate wash instead.. Which is basically, adding a pinch of sodium carbonate to, say, 100ml of water, and then put this in some container/hdpe jug/whatever, and put the naphtha from the pull (before putting the naphtha in the freezer) together, and then shake it, and then again separate the naphtha (which will now go freezer) and throw away the sodium carbonate water layer.

SWIY will see, there's a lot about an extraction that one only learns when actually doing, it would be impossible to describe all the little aspects.. Remember not to throw anything away, because, considering you have good bark and nothing was spilled, the dmt will be there, most times one can save an extraction and make it right if something seems to go wrong.


and remember to read the FAQ, it has some answers to quite a few common extraction and general dmt questions
 
SWIM thanks you for clarifying. He now understands the process and the instructions make more sense to him. SWIM was under the impression that he should discard the sludge after 1 naphtha pull, then apply more naphtha to the naphtha that was saved. He is currently eating pickles :)
 
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