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Silene Capensis

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Okay, I'm leaving here a little update after a week of experimentation.

At first, and following the feedback left by Shaolin here and others in other places, I decided to start simple and ingest 300 mg of powdered root at night, three hours (or a little more) after the last meal of the day.

I am not a heavy cannabis user, although most evenings I do smoke a rolling tobacco cigarette with a little sprinkle of indica. I stopped smoking it three days before the first SC dose, and resumed in the middle of the week. I am not using any other supplements or medication atm. Only some cocoa or guayusa in the morning, no other psychoactives. The most recent use was a moderate changa experience four days before the first SC ingestion.

Findings:

- The root undoubtedly works... The second and third nights ingesting SC I had unusually elaborate dreams and I'd say better recall too, although my stronger attention towards dreams these days might also be accountable for that. Night #3 I had a quite memorable dream with a complex, coherent plot (a mysterious wave of religious suicides happening in a medieval european town where I was living, orchestrated by someone I wasn't able to find; my wanderings one evening, witnessing groups of people that were calmly and efficiently getting ready to die, carrying with them these little paper crosses floating behind their backs, was a memorable scene I will remember for long. Devoid of any horror or shock factor, a bergmanian, curious glance upon this strange ritual that simply felt wrong).

- The effects, considering the reports I read, felt somewhat mild. Not that I was expecting sudden dreaming lucidity, since I don't recall having ever had a clearly lucid dream at least for the last fifteen years... but even if not disappointed, I was not surprised either. It has been observed that powdered SC root may be more prone to degradation by oxidation. Since my dose was not low, that might be another reason that impoverished the effects.

- The re-introduction of a minimal amount of cannabis in my evening routine after three days definitely made the dreams more dull and clearly affected recall. So I think the negative synergy of cannabis with SC is out of the question, at least for me.

- IME, an empty stomach is a good way to enhance the effects. As far as I can tell.

I will start a second round in three or four days, after cleaning up from MJ traces again. I will switch to a morning routine, using the same amount (300 mg powdered SC) right after waking up, ingesting as much as possible as foam.

I'll let you guys know if the push works as it should. And thanks all for the thread, this is getting nice :)
 
Thanks for the thread Aegle!

I'm going to have'ta try this out very soon. Been working alot with dreams, lucidity, and recall. This just inspired me a bit to get on the lucid dream bandwagon!
 
Vodsel, I have read on some reports that effects were noticed after quitting the SC, I suppose that is why Aegle and others suggest taking it in the morning as it would be wearing off by bedtime, thus giving a stronger effect.

This is all speculation based on reports though, but it may be worth your while to pop a capsule upon waking and see if it makes any difference.

Thanks for the update, sounds like a very interesting dream :D
 
Hyperspace Fool

No worries, I'm really glad that you stumbled upon this thread to. I look forward to reading your documented effects of Silene Capensis, happy days indeed. 😁


Much Peace and Compassion
 
River of Thoughts said:
Hey guys, I bought mine from Tranceplants, I can't get it to foam for the life of me. They came in actual rootbark. At first I tried breaking them in a cup and try to make it foam but had no luck(even letting it stay in the fridge for a day). Then I went and bought a coffee grinder and made it to the most fine powder and poured some water and left it in the fridge and then used the wooden spoon and whisked it and still 0 foam not even a bit. I think I have a faulty product or something. Can someone hook me up with a legit online vendor that has proven that it will foam(when you ordered from them). thanks!
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I had pretty much the same experience. My SC came from Maya. I used a mortar and pestle to grind it up as fine as I could but couldn't get it to foam no matter how hard or long I shook it up for! I would get a few bubbles that would pretty much disappear before I could get them in my mouth! I ended up just drinking the mixture and got no discernable effect at all.

I still have about 5 gms of whole root left, but it's about 2 years old now, I'd really like to work with this plant as I rarely if ever remember any dreams and would very much like to have some recall...
 
Vodsel

Fascinating findings indeed, a morning routine of munching the foam on an empty tummy is definitely the most effective. I'm really interested to read your future experiences. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this truly lovely thread. ;)


Much Peace and Understanding
 
Tattvamasi

It makes me incredibly happy that you enjoyed this thread, indeed it is of great importance to incorporate oneirogenic plants into our daily life. Please if you can document the effects as I am really keen to read your experiences with Silene Capensis. 😁


Much Peace and Respect
 
Just a side note on possible technique for those having a hard time foaming up coarsely powdered root. Standard mouth mason jars can screw on to most blenders. One could drop the ground root and 2 cups water into a quart mason jar and foam it up with the blender, then put the cap on and stick it in the fridge for the next days foaming. More compact than a typical blender so it'd take less room in the fridge, and the normal blender top would not be out of commission for a week or two while your foaming. Quart mason jars can often be found in thrift stores for 25 or 50 cents.

Also a great trick for making hot sauce, especially if only making a pint jars worth.
But avoid the urge to use mason jars for powdering dry herbs, I had a jar explode while trying to powder root chunks> I was even holding the blender at the time, it was wild :lol: But not particularly safe.
 
Okay... I started a few days ago a new experimentation routine with SC, and I have to say that this time the results definitely live up to expectations and some reports I've found so far.

I completely quit smoking any cannabis a week and a half ago, and took the first SC dose three days after that. Using powdered root, I raised the amount to 400mg and decided to use the froth method. As lichen mentioned earlier in the thread, it's pretty easy. While some people tried to reproduce the ubulawu rituals by chopping the root inside of a container, adding water, and quickly swirling inside a wooden spoon to produce the foaming, using a simple plastic hermetic container instead and shaking it well produces quick and good results.

Dreams these nights have been remarkably vivid, complex, and a novelty in my case - showing often an intense color palette that it's quite rare in my experience. Also, multiple dreams are easily differentiated after waking up. Recall also clearly stays for a longer time, in a much more similar way to waking memories.

Reading about saponins, particularly the triterpenoid saponins (that seem to produce the effects in SC), I found that their life in the organism is rather long (up to 25 hours in rats) which agrees with the night time, continuous effects when the foam is ingested in the morning. Also, an interesting note about the effects of saponins in cells: they seem to bind to cholesterol in the cell membranes, increasing the permeability of the cells. Of course, that also applies to neurons. Considering that ginseng saponins (for instance) are found to work through the blood-brain barrier, seemingly able to induce apoptosis in brain glioma tumoral cells, we might have a little hint on how the saponins in SC foam work.

But just speculating. In short, very interesting stuff, will keep investigating.
 
i've taken my first mouthfuls of SC froth this morning. i put a gram into a bottle, shook, and drank the foam, about 5 mouthfuls.
i will do this for a week or so and will keep record of what happens then report back :)
 
Vodsel

Fascinating findings indeed, I am really keen to read your documented effects that you come across in your further investigations. Thank you for your systematic and concise contribution to furthering our understanding of this potent and powerful oneirogen, its really greatly appreciated.


Much Peace and Understanding
 
I've been taking it for about 10 Days now give or take a few days, and only skipped a dose for a day or two in ranges of 100-300 MG I have done some research but turned up inconclusive evidence suggesting if this substance contains an MAOI or is entirely one, anyone aware? I haven't felt any different and I am pretty sure a lot of the things I eat would effect this, and I was on the tail end of breaking up with an SSRI that was negatively impacting my life with no negative side effects, but I want to take the last of my MDMA, tomorrow I think and don't want to risk it if there's any potential to react to the silene... Anyone knowledgeable here on this particular substance and whether or not its an MAOI any reading materials you could provide would also be nice, chances are I have at least skimmed it in my attempt to find the answer but anything is helpful, so anyone? 😁
 
How are you taking your dose? When are you taking your dose? I tried Silene capensis a few times, from what I remember, I brewed the roots for 15-20 minutes and drank in the morning, or the alternative that I've heard of is blend the root with a water until foamy, then drink the foam at night until you feel bloated (which I hadn't tried... fact check?).

From what I can remember, there were some noticeable effects, colors became vibrant, I was able to remember a lot more of the dream upon waking up, overall good experiences with the plant.

Do you still consume any caffeine or other stimulants during the day? From my experience any caffeine drank the same day you take your dose will negate its effects.

As to what the active compounds are in Silene capensis... I have no knowledge of what it is.
 
Caffeine negates it? Really... I didn't know that I've been trying to stay away from sugary/caffeinated drinks lately but sometimes before I go to the gym I will take like 80-130 MG pure anhydrous 99.9% caf and put it into my water on days to get me more into the work out. But its not every day like I used too, I also stopped weed for a bit to try to make sure my dreams were enhanced. I feel like I have been having the effects at night for sure, even some waking effects like just this change of perception its ever so slight but I've felt it more than once while not on any other substance while taking the root, as for ROA, I chew the root like I said 100-300MG daily and slowly suck down the saliva trying to keep the root in my mouth, and then spit out after 15-25 mins. I accidentally skipped 2 nights on also. As I stated though I am for sure feeling something I went from remembering/having a semi vividdream maybe 1-2 times a year to having had about 12 in a week or two. I also took some calea some nights as well which I feelkinda helped its really harsh to smoke for me as well as taking the tea of calea really isn't pleasant either. :p
 
Yeah that calea is disgusting eh, dunno how people can smoke it or drink it, leaves such a horrible taste. I was taking about 2-300mg drinking it usually in the morning, though sometimes at night but I had a white powder, not sure if its ground or what so I was swallowing it all, I had unbeleivably realistic dreams. I was shocked at how well it worked. This was a few years ago, I dont think its an maoi tbh sure I would have came across that by now, never know though.
 
Well I thanks youall for your answers. I know its not conclusive but I feel its not an MAOI at least not a strong one, I was using it to start at the tail end of stopping an SSRI, also didn't take it yet today but within 24 hours of last silene dose I took 100 MG of MDMA with 1 G of mushrooms today, and am fine also have been eating just about anything I want except like sugary things too often, been avoiding beer and what not most days. However I have eaten meat and what not on it as well. IMO I think its not an MAOI.

If you're curious though about the MDMA experience with the shrooms it wasmy first time hippy flipping and I posted my report here!

Link: My first hippy flip experience (Shrooms+MDMA) Low dose but highly reccomended experience! - Generic - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
 
I have used Silene once in a while for years and years... going back to before the millennium at least.

Always found it to be helpful regardless of ROA. More effective than Calea for me be a decent margin.

Of course, I can lucid dream every night anyway... so it tends to be all about the boosted dream recall for me.

Pretty sure it is not an MAOI. It may have some SSRI effects though, hard to say. If I had to guess, I would say it is just an Acetylcholine Reuptake Inhibitor... but then what do I know?

I would love to find some more detailed info on this lovely stuff.
 
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