Smoking DMT

[beatenwarrior]

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[Entheogenerator]

For starters, welcome to the Nexus. I am sorry to hear about this troublesome experience, but as I am sure you know it can happen to even the most experienced of psychonauts from time to time.

My own personal beliefs might have some effect on my train of thought here, but my first instinct is to ask: how do you feel about your relationship with alcohol? You mentioned that you were slightly intoxicated when you dosed, so I can't help but feel inclined to suspect that the alcohol might have had a role in creating this difficult experience.

Would you mind elaborating on why you feel that you were not in the right mental state when you decided to embark on this journey, aside from being intoxicated?

I also feel obligated to suggest that you consider having a sitter around when you smoalk in the future. Running outside in one's socks and underpants at 3:00 AM, particularly while under the influence of alcohol and psychedelics, could most certainly attract some highly unwanted attention... :?

Best of luck to you while integrating and making peace with this experience.

EDIT: I also wonder about the details of your history with psychedelics. You mention having used DMT over 100 times in the past, but what kind of time frame are we talking about here? Over the course of the last 25 years? The last 2 months? What is your history with other psychedelics?

 

[DiMoiTou]

Welcome to the Nexus

I'm not going to lie, I was not in the right mental state to be smoking DMT last night.

From there on, things could only go bad.

I have no truth to offer regarding your experience, all I can share is some food for thought.
- People tend to call that a "hyperslap".. a traumatizing DMT trip. And the same people often conclude that these things happen from a "lack of respect of the molecule" (but that makes no sense to me, maybe it does to you). I would rather say it's due (in this specific case) to an inadequate set of mind.
- Perhaps that comment made by your girlfriend has triggered the reptilian theme.
- Life is not always bliss and happiness. Terror and darkness are part of it. Perhaps you needed to be reminded of that.
- Aside from that, I don't think you should try and analyze this experience from a Freudian perspective, looking for symbolic meaning and whatnots...
- We have some reptilian blood, and monkey blood, and pig blood and perhaps bird blood in our veins. And the faces of some people clearly look like monkeys/reptiles/... to me. Perhaps, you've been shown a long gone ancestor

On a more rational level, I think at some point at the very beginning of the trip, something made you uncomfortable, maybe an unusual OEV, maybe a naughty thought. Since fear feeds on fear, things just got worse and worse to the limits of your imagination. Perhaps an OEV reminded you of the comment your girlfriend made and the whole trip resulted from that thought...

So, it was the first time you managed to remain conscious of your surroundings? Looks like you're not going to try that again anytime soon.
Keeping control of your senses/body is fighting the effects, not giving in. When effects grow stronger and stronger, you may feel like you're "losing the battle" and a negative train of thought can follow.

Was it the first time ever a DMT trip went wrong? If so, you should consider yourself lucky

 

[_Arcane_]

not that this offers much but I believe DiMoiTou has covered that perfectly, I also think it was related to your girlfriends previous comments, although DiMoiTou covered the answer I think as completely as possible, my belief is basically a +1 on what DiMoiTou said.

Although I have NEVER done DMT so that needs to be taken into account too, its just I think DiMoiTou to be correct.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Indeed I had the same thoughts as others above me, its also a matter of perception. If you had been in the right frame of mind they couldve been seen as angelic beings of light becoming one with you but maybe the fear you felt manifested as you became more scared.
Reptiles are cool learn about them maybe next time you are in a good state of mind look in the mirror again and if you see the same welcome them into your being let them share your existence reconcile with them and accept your ancient link to them.

 

[_Arcane_]

great advice DreaMTripper thats a really positive way to build on and learn from what first appears a negative experience

 

[beatenwarrior]

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[beatenwarrior]

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[AcaciaConfusedYah]

I have learned that the Mirror is probably not the best place for me during an introspective experience. I've observed, on a few occasions, that under the influence I have "turned" into a half angel, half demon/devil thing. It's..... odd. It didn't really freak me out. More or less a sight that projects a level of acceptance that an organism has potential for many different emotional and physical states of being. For me, it brought a sense of awareness that I am capable of achieving "good" and "wickedness" and that the choice of action is ultimately my own to make. More so, what I perceive as good, could be perceived as wicked from another set of eyes.

BUT, for fun, I drew this a few nights ago. It might synchronize with the reptilian things you mention.

 

[Entheogenerator]

For starters, welcome to the Nexus. I am sorry to hear about this troublesome experience, but as I am sure you know it can happen to even the most experienced of psychonauts from time to time.

My own personal beliefs might have some effect on my train of thought here, but my first instinct is to ask: how do you feel about your relationship with alcohol? You mentioned that you were slightly intoxicated when you dosed, so I can't help but feel inclined to suspect that the alcohol might have had a role in creating this difficult experience.

I've smoked DMT while drunk many times before and not had a problem with it. Although I wouldn't say I'm an extremely experienced psychonaut. I only just tried my first psychedelic a little over a year ago. You could say it's become a regular thing for me. Most people get drunk on weekends, I do psychedelics. It's been pretty steady for the past year. I suppose that could be seen as a lot of things in a short period of time.

Would you mind elaborating on why you feel that you were not in the right mental state when you decided to embark on this journey, aside from being intoxicated?

Someone I care a lot about just moved very far away that day. So, it's safe to say my mind was not in a healthy frame lol. I understand this can play into a difficult experience, but I wasn't expecting something like this.

I was introducing someone to DMT last night, and I decided to take a small hit to see what would happen, or if something nasty could happen again. I was also on 2c-b while doing this. And drunk again. The DMT wasn't as bad, but I didn't smoke enough to break though. Although I did get this very strange feeling that I was no longer in control of my body or emotions, like I had been possessed. It seems to be a common theme now. I really should just take a break from it I'm thinking. A break from every mind altering substance that is.

I feel inclined to agree with you. It never hurts to take a break for a while and regain one's bearings. 100+ experiences in a year strikes me as a lot. Maybe you need to put more energy towards integration between your experiences. My last break from psychedelics was almost two years long, and I certainly don't feel like I missed out on anything. That was just what I needed at that particular point in time.

I know that you are not exactly equating psychedelics and alcohol, but I feel inclined to address this comparison. In my opinion, drinking alcohol every weekend and taking psychedelics every weekend are two very different things. I personally believe that psychedelics are best saved for occasions that are meaningful to the user, rather than being used habitually or regularly.

I'll also add that it is important to remember that psychedelics, DMT in particular, can be very unpredictable sometimes!

Now obviously I am not you, and I don't know the whole story, so all I can do is speculate and make suggestions based on my own experience. I hope my opinions and suggestions are of some use to you.

 

[Humbleness]

Welcome to the Nexus

So, it was the first time you managed to remain conscious of your surroundings? Looks like you're not going to try that again anytime soon.
Keeping control of your senses/body is fighting the effects, not giving in. When effects grow stronger and stronger, you may feel like you're "losing the battle" and a negative train of thought can follow.

Was it the first time ever a DMT trip went wrong? If so, you should consider yourself lucky

I agree, I should not have fought staying awake. Something definitely did scare me and I was fighting going all the way through when I should have just let it happen. Perhaps the whole experience was just a negative construct of my mind and holds no symbolic value what so ever. I could see that being true.

No I've had many shitty trips, this was definitely not the first time. This was simply the worst time. It was pure terror. Although I experienced similar terror when I did Aya. Although I made the brew four times as strong as suggested, and didn't throw any of it up. That was a very terrifying experience lol. I had no idea what my hands were. I couldn't even remember events that had happened a second or two ago. I learned so much from having that much ego death though. Thank goodness I had a sitter with me that time, I don't know what would have happened otherwise.

So you said you were thinking that these reptillian beings were raping your soul, do you think that this was God who was speaking to your soul? I am curious because they say that Ayahuasca is a teacher and I can only imagine that DMT is the same way (though I never tried it). I mean, I come from a Christian background and have beliefs in both angels and demons, those beings you saw could have been demons. I'm really sorry that you experienced that and God knows that he does not want you to be tortured by these evil beings. It could indeed be a negative projection you experienced, or it could have been that these beings were feeding off that negativity. Like others said here, its very important how you dive into the trip. I think if we have faith, hope and love, we can gain something positive. God loves you, remember that cause its important.

I have no idea though this is just my 2 cents. What you thought might not have been the truth. If you were thinking something negative it can only come from the devil not from God. That's what the devil wants, he wants you to focus on him and his power and not on God's power and love.

 

[Global]

I can relate in the sense that I probably made it to #100 without much of a bad or scary trip in the batch. At some point however, I started encountering more and more pesky entities that introduce a host of problems. People like to say there are no "bad" experiences, only "tough" ones, but the whole entity thing really muddies those waters. I can relate to the idea of coming out of a tough trip a better person...that kind of thing happens all the time...but when you introduce negative entities with negative intentions and they successfully spread their negativity like a seed...well I don't come out of those experiences feeling better in any way. There's a lot to be said about "letting go" but when it comes to certain characters, rolling over is the last thing you'd want to do.

 

[Jees]

... There's a lot to be said about "letting go" but when it comes to certain characters, rolling over is the last thing you'd want to do.

Can you please share how you dealt with the "issue" instead of rolling over? Did you make a stand? How? Short note or a link is okay, thanks.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

I've smoked DMT while drunk many times before and not had a problem with it. Although I wouldn't say I'm an extremely experienced psychonaut. I only just tried my first psychedelic a little over a year ago. You could say it's become a regular thing for me. Most people get drunk on weekends, I do psychedelics. It's been pretty steady for the past year. I suppose that could be seen as a lot of things in a short period of time.

Might I suggest maybe taking a bit of a break from psychedelics? If you've only been doing it for a year, and yet have taken DMT 100+ times, you've been really putting your brain through the wringer. A lot of people recommend going a few weeks between a powerful psychedelic experience, so that you can give your brain time to recover and your soul time to integrate and process the experience.

Frequent, high doses of psychedelics can do bad things to you. Maybe you should take a break. Have a sober weekend out hiking or camping, maybe?

Blessings
~ND

 

[Infectedstyle]

... There's a lot to be said about "letting go" but when it comes to certain characters, rolling over is the last thing you'd want to do.

Can you please share how you dealt with the "issue" instead of rolling over? Did you make a stand? How? Short note or a link is okay, thanks.

Global will probably link to this thread, https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=473264#post473264

I myself would suggest putting up a communication interface and asking 'what's up?'

I'm not sure how it works in different situation dealing with different types of entities or negative experience. The one I talked about in Global's thread seems similar to some of the energy drainage talked about in this thread.

It felt to me like a snake entered into my lower back and attacked me in my second chakra. During the come-up I heared audiotory hallucinations of burglars breaking into my home. I actually experienced somewhat of an excorsism on DMT a week later and spat out a snake-like entity into a UFO. While reading this thread it occured to me that a snake is also a reptile. I think it is a worthwhile notation.

If you could but describe your situation Sneez, I could make a more accurate judgement based on my (albeit limited) experience. I have just a little bit of experience but have come to terms with negative entities and don't fear them so much. If I do fear them I still find that throat chanting and overpowering them with commanding voice works pretty well. Self-empowerement is key here. But I tend to ask "What's up" and was once (un)pleasantly suprised when a leech-like bugger unattached itself from me and apologized to me. I actually felt kind of sad for it. ^^

Oh, and OP mentioned taking a break from psychedelics. Just as Nathaniel suggests. Which seems like a good idea. I would personally only opt for getting back into the higher dose-sessions when one is ready to face whatever feared oneself in ones past.

Another thing, some hyperspatial dabbles IME allow you to dodge negative entities. Which is fine for the time being. But in the long run it seems more valuable to me to learn to deal with these as well and personally I have a hunge that this negative presentation is just an illusory pattern waiting to be broken for truly effective psychological results.

 

[Jees]

...
Global will probably link to this thread, https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=473264#post473264

Hey thank you very much, nice thread, I learned from it!
You had the link not working , no problem, found it anyway here

 

[Adjhart]

It seems mostly all of the useful information you will get, OP, has already been given. I do feel inclined though, to share with you a story from the beloved book DMT: The Spirit Molecule, by Rick Strassman. He does a couple of chapters titled 'Contact: Through the Veil', in which he is reporting the encounters with entities from his subjects' sessions. There was one in particular where a woman said she was being raped by reptilian like creatures.

I believe in hyperspace that there are some common themes that play out - and sometimes we have the intellectual fortitude to interpret them with the things we know, and other times, we don't. When we don't have the intellectual capability to interpret them with language and feelings that we understand, we end up choosing the next closest term or description that our brains can handle.

I feel like there is a common theme with many plant teachers that ends up being interpreted by us as a reptilian like experience.

Hopefully it helps you to realize that your experience isn't completely isolated, and that DMT can just do that randomly. ;P

 

[Jees]

...with many plant teachers that ends up being interpreted by us as a reptilian like experience.

Other recurrent themes: being used, energy tapped, our fear/pain/suffer as food or amusement for .....

 

[The Observer]

Doing DMT while drunk, or significantly looped on alcohol is a waste. DMT is so intense, and so bizarre on its own, why anyone that is intelligent would think that smoking DMT while drunk is a good idea, needs to rethink that. It's tough enough to try to make sense out of the experience when straight, much less when your faculties are diminished by drinking alcohol. It certainly won't make things any easier to grasp, and I believe puts you in an undesired state that lends itself toward a higher risk of undesired journey's.

People that use DMT for entertainment, don't realize the power of this substance.
I realize there are many drinkers out there. I just don't happen to be one of them. Personally, I believe humans are stupid enough, in general, without alcohol. Alcohol, for many, just raises the stupidity level(slurring, stumbling, obnoxious behavior,loud, etc.). Any substance that reduces your clarity and mental faculties, i believe, is a very poor quality intoxicant!!

There are many members that have a beer or two, or a glass of wine or two to reduce their anxiety prior to launch. In minimal amounts, that probably isn't a problem.

Decisions made while drunk should probably be restricted to less potentially terrifying things, like "should I have a burger or a turkey sandwich"!!

IMAO

Observer......

 

[dark-king]

What I also find strange about this experience is that when ever I do acid with my girlfriend, she tells me she loves looking at my face because my eyes start to look very reptilian. She said I always start to look like a reptile to her so she'll just stare at my face and sometimes draw me. However this was the first time I ever experienced seeing myself this way, and it was terrifying.

If I understand correctly your mind and subconscious had to be thinking about your girlfriends statements.
Is it possible that you were somehow thinking about this ....curious about this ...maybe even at a subconscious level.

An example to this would be :
You do a wheelie on a motorcycle 100 times and you pull it perfectly. You do it in front of friends, fans, rivals ...and all goes well. But when you decide to show it to a loved one ... a person whose words have an impact on your brain (lover/parent/sibling) and they tell you : "be careful not to fall and break your wrist" ....and BOOM ....thats exactly what happenes next, ....even thought the odds were 100.1 since you pulled 100 ok wheelies ...and this was the only fall ...

you must be familiar with this scenario from life ...
could this have somehow happened at some point ? inception like idea?