Smoking plastic - Minty Love's DpTek1

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Why are you not just putting your DMTG mixture into a simple 510 cart? Load and explore. No hassles. I am curious as to why folks choose these fiddly methods instead of just making a batch of djuice and making carts? So simple. Portable, in your pocket and ready when you are. Fool proof. You can make them as strong as you like.

I don't understand either. All this Minty guy advice seems to be overly complex with no clear payoff. Make a DMT (or DMT citrate) e-juice as strong as you want, get a good 510 tank and mod, and you're all set. To think that for something as relatively straightforward as this you need advice from a very specific person, potentially up to a personal videocall, sounds preposterous to me. And more based on some kind of personality cult than anything else. But maybe I'm missing something as well.

 

[Ernestine]

I don't understand either. All this Minty guy advice seems to be overly complex with no clear payoff. Make a DMT (or DMT citrate) e-juice as strong as you want, get a good 510 tank and mod, and you're all set. To think that for something as relatively straightforward as this you need advice from a very specific person, potentially up to a personal videocall, sounds preposterous to me. And more based on some kind of personality cult than anything else. But maybe I'm missing something as well.

Nah, it's the opposite of overcomplicating, it is trying to make things simple by sharing what he and the other testers have tried and found to work and only that. It's a reaction to the myths about extraction that were based on conjecture rather than experiment.

In our 'space', there's an overwhelming amount of extraction teks and administration methods and by recommending one route and restricting choice of devices etc it makes it easier to troubleshoot. What's curious is why the OP is here asking us rather than asking minty himself. He would could access a whole host of people including the man himself who specialise in this method on the discord.

Obviously, once you understand the science to even a limited degree, you can see that all the teks are variations on a couple of extraction methods, and that it's basically a case of inhaling the vapour without burning much on the way.

 

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it is trying to make things simple

In our 'space', there's an overwhelming amount of extraction teks and administration methods and by recommending one route and restricting choice of devices etc it makes it easier to troubleshoot

I get what you mean, but look at how it's working in practice here: complex setup and a lot of failed experimentation due to blindly following a specific person's advice instead of keeping it actually simple.

What's curious is why the OP is here asking us rather than asking minty himself

I do agree that if someone is adamant on follow a specific person's tek that insist you must do everything as he says, it makes no sense to go ask somewhere else.

Obviously, once you understand the science to even a limited degree, you can see that all the teks are variations on a couple of extraction methods, and that it's basically a case of inhaling the vapour without burning much on the way.

Yes, that's my point: by insisting on a single way to do things as a consequence of wanting to keep things standarized, what seems to be happening is that it's being interpreted by many as the "one true method", and blindly followed without any attempts at understanding how it works. You absolutely don't need specifically Minty's advice to neither extract nor smoke/vape/ingest DMT. Regardless of what tek one follows, one should think critically and attempt to understand what's going on.

I don't want to derail the thread making it about the people who blindly follow Minty and Minty himself. But maybe @Bob Sacamano could explain why they insist on following Minty's instructions while not wanting to ask Minty himself about it.

 

[Ernestine]

I hope he does. He will find that minty discourages adding extra turns to the coils and so forth.

A problem with the basic 510 carts is that they get blocked over time whereas an RTA can be cleaned and rebuilt.

 

[Qoniaq]

I hope he does. He will find that minty discourages adding extra turns to the coils and so forth.

A problem with the basic 510 carts is that they get blocked over time whereas an RTA can be cleaned and rebuilt.

Maybe I go through mine quickly, but I have NEVER had a cart clog or block. Not once. I have had ONE that short circuited. Just one. But I sucked the contents out with a syringe and put them in another cart. There was a teeenie loss of what was stuck in the wick.

 

[Ernestine]

It's not time, it's more that after enough refills and vapes, the minor contamination in our extracts eventually blocks the internal wick, which can't be replaced, whereas all you need is more cotton for an RTA, possibly a coil (although a burn heat will clean the coil). On the other hand, they're simpler to get going with.

A well functioning dual coil is such a powerful launcher that it's worth getting it sorted.

 

[Qoniaq]

It's not time, it's more that after enough refills and vapes, the minor contamination in our extracts eventually blocks the internal wick, which can't be replaced, whereas all you need is more cotton for an RTA, possibly a coil (although a burn heat will clean the coil). On the other hand, they're simpler to get going with.

A well functioning dual coil is such a powerful launcher that it's worth getting it sorted.

ahh. Well I don't refill. I smoke 'em till they're done. I get around 12-15 sessions per cart.

 

[fractals4life]

the "one true method", and blindly followed without any attempts at understanding how it works.

I call it "Cargo Cult Chemistry"

 

[TransistorBass]

I don't want to derail the thread making it about the people who blindly follow Minty and Minty himself. But maybe @Bob Sacamano could explain why they insist on following Minty's instructions while not wanting to ask Minty himself about it.

I found him helpful when I asked questions. Though if you've read the section about Weed on his website you might not want to mention anything about that, writing such a detailed explanation of how he basically hates it is kinda overkill. I don't like Cauliflower but I'm not going to write a 1000 words about why.
Though all the articles and videos he's made about Vaping equipment and making D-juice I've found very helpful and he's got kind of a calming manner about him. I'm sure he's lovely IRL.

 

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I found him helpful when I asked questions. Though if you've read the section about Weed on his website you might not want to mention anything about that, writing such a detailed explanation of how he basically hates it is kinda overkill. I don't like Cauliflower but I'm not going to write a 1000 words about why.
Though all the articles and videos he's made about Vaping equipment and making D-juice I've found very helpful and he's got kind of a calming manner about him. I'm sure he's lovely IRL.

Yeah, as I said, I don't intend to make this about Minty. I don't have anything for or against him, beyond my personal bias against people who like to promote themselves, but that's my issue. And I don't care about him posting anti-weed rants on his website, it's his website after all.

I do think that no one should be followed blindly, and in this case I don't think there's any reason to think that only by following Minty's advice you can have a decent DMT experience, not at all. Nothing he's sharing is either unique or a secret. If some people find it helpful to follow his specific way to do it and ask him advice about it that's fine, but to think that it's somehow fundamental to follow his method or get his advice is lazy thinking at best. I'm not saying anyone did that here, I just mention it because I've seen elsewhere a lot of people acting exactly like that. And IMO he encourages that attitude by making it about "Minty's method", "Minty's discord", "Minty's whatever" instead of about what is actually being shared. But again, that's my second-hand impression, I have never interacted with him in any capacity.

So, to summarize, my point is not about Minty but about blindly following anything (including Nexus teks), I just happen to think that's partly encouraged by how Minty goes about it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why are you not just putting your DMTG mixture into a simple 510 cart? Load and explore. No hassles. I am curious as to why folks choose these fiddly methods instead of just making a batch of djuice and making carts? So simple. Portable, in your pocket and ready when you are. Fool proof. You can make them as strong as you like.
I am open to learning, maybe I am missing something? But these methods are like decades old. We have better now, no? You all let me know, I wanna learn.

I didn't know about this method. I'll look into it! Thanks!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I get what you mean, but look at how it's working in practice here: complex setup and a lot of failed experimentation due to blindly following a specific person's advice instead of keeping it actually simple.

I do agree that if someone is adamant on follow a specific person's tek that insist you must do everything as he says, it makes no sense to go ask somewhere else.


Yes, that's my point: by insisting on a single way to do things as a consequence of wanting to keep things standarized, what seems to be happening is that it's being interpreted by many as the "one true method", and blindly followed without any attempts at understanding how it works. You absolutely don't need specifically Minty's advice to neither extract nor smoke/vape/ingest DMT. Regardless of what tek one follows, one should think critically and attempt to understand what's going on.

I don't want to derail the thread making it about the people who blindly follow Minty and Minty himself. But maybe @Bob Sacamano could explain why they insist on following Minty's instructions while not wanting to ask Minty himself about it.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. What makes you think I'm blindly following advice without trying to understand it? I'm trying to understand as much as possible. I've written down the chemical equations. I know how to calculate the pH of a mixture of an acidic and a basic solution. However, my knowledge is still limited compared to the writers of the teks. So for me, it doesn't make a lot of sense to come up with my own way of doing things. In my view, I have a better chance at success by following instructions of people who have much more experience than me and know what works and what doesn't work. At the moment I do not have the desire to re-invent the wheel.

I followed the method of extraction and smoking of Minty. The reason for this is that he seems to have put a lot of energy in trying different methods of smoking and describing the pros and cons of each. I also think the extraction tek is easy to follow. But, I definitely do not "insist" on using his method. I could just as well have used someone else's method. But I had to pick one as a starting point. Also, I'm on this forum for a reason: to get information. If there are better ways to do things, I would love to hear them.

The reason I'm asking here and not on Minty's Discord server is that I've had trouble logging into Discord. I'm also not super comfortable with giving my phone number, which is required on Discord, when discussing activities that may be illegal in some countries. Since his method is not much different than most A/B extraction teks (the major difference with other teks seems to be that the temperatures are kept low), I'm sure there are plenty of people here that can join the conversation.

 

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I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

To suggest that you're overcomplicating this a lot, for no good reason other than the fact that someone specific recommended so. Or that's my impression.

it doesn't make a lot of sense to come up with my own way of doing things

Yes, I do agree with that. But it's a good idea to see what different options are before deciding which one to follow. For the same reason it's a good idea to follow an established tek when learning, it's also good for that tek to be a simple one. There will be time to try more complex options later.

But, I definitely do not "insist" on using his method

Well, that was my impression, so apologies if I were wrong.

The extraction tek is fine, it's basically Cyb's Max Ion with some amounts a bit different. What seems overly complicated for me to begin is the vaping setup.

I'm also not super comfortable with giving my phone number, which is required on Discord, when discussing activities that may be illegal in some countries

I understand and agree with that, plus as I said I don't think there's a good reason why Minty specifically should be asked, unless one is adamant on following his tek to the exclusion of everything else. I was under the impression that that was the case, so that's why I said it.

It seems to me that your extraction is perfectly fine, DMT crystals won't be weaker or stronger at the same weight depending on how they were extracted. What I think is that your vaping setup is overly complicated to get started with and is very likely to be resulting in burnt DMT, as others said. If you're not set on following how Minty does it, I recommend you simplify the vaping setup as much as possible, as @Qoniaq suggested (I'd personally recommend a sub-ohm tank instead of a cart). Once you have something that works, you'll have time to try more complex setups like Minty's, now with the knowledge of how it should be like when it works.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I tried smoking again today. I still had liquid in my vape, so I used the same setup as in my earlier post. I did one thing different:

Last time I inhaled for 10 seconds, after which the vape automatically stops. Now, after 10 seconds, I release and press the button again, inhaling for another 10 seconds. This works! I got an intense trip. I got the idea that, with my current setup, in the first 10 seconds it is just warming up. (still using 35 W)

So, I consider this solved!

I hope he does. He will find that minty discourages adding extra turns to the coils and so forth.

Yeah, I know, but since I got my DMT burnt I wanted to be on the safe side and distribute the power over a greater surface. But it could be that less turns is better.

It is, hands down, the loveliest most enchanting smell in the universe. Full stop. The S-tier perfume. Ambrosia. I could bathe in it.

Well, I know that smell from DMT I didn't extract myself. However, my home cooked DMT does not have that smell at all. That's why I thought something was wrong with it. But my spice was fine all along. I learned that good DMT does not always have the characteristic smell.