So if this is all fake...

[Gianluca]

First off, sorry if any of my questions seem stupid, I like to ask alot...

I've seen topics,replies,peoples thoughts,etc .. all on the notion that psychedelic's should never be taken seriously, it's just what our brain trick's us into seeing, and nothing much more than that.

So I was thinking..if that was true, then why do so many of see the same things? If it's all meaningless, then why don't I see BMW's driving up my walls, floating PS3's and so on. Why are their hieroglyphics, entities, and not more common stuff like Donald Trump and Super Mario in my head?

Or is it just that psychedelics tune/vibrate our brain to certain frequencies and that could be the cause of why so many of us see the same thing?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

just because something is observed mutually does not make it real...


and of course, even if it is all real, that is no reason to take any of it seriously.

but then, i have yet to find a satisfying reason to take anything at all seriously.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

Hey now... I have some very fond memories of simultaneous Mario hallucinations.

There may not be many good reasons to take the stuff seriously (unless wild headtrips and messianic delusions are your thing), but that doesn't mean it isn't to be taken sincerely if there's something there worth taking to heart. While it may not be productive or healthy to entertain fantasies and ontological assumptions about astral implants or entity allies, that isn't to say that there's no information to be gained from such an encounter... It just might not be what it seems. Time and experience tend to shed the most light on the subtle simplicity embedded in what once seemed so intense and incredible.

As far as common archetypes we seem to share in our trips go, it's nothing out of the ordinary. It's a human thing, not a DMT thing. We've been pulling such amazing coincidences out of our collective behinds for millenia; probing the depths of the mind has always been a preoccupation of some, regardless of the methods used. To me it only makes sense that we should hold some fantastic similarities in these realms; It strikes me as a bit of a joke, really.

 

[Halfanimal]

Time and experience tend to shed the most light on the subtle simplicity embedded in what once seemed so intense and incredible.

that's very true true. I don't know exactly what my trips actually are but I've learned a lot from them i know that

 

[endlessness]

A pragmatic approach: What is "real", and when is it actually useful to ask this? - Philosophy - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Gianluca]

Sigh..the more I post here the dumber I feel lol. But it's great seeing everyone's thoughts about all this.

Maybe mine is a bit unhealthy..In some weird way I'm hoping that we all did come from the stars, and that all this originated from some other planet, and some of the stuff we are seeing are keys or clues of where we truly came from.

Damn..now I wish I really knew how to tell stories and draw..would maybe make for a cool comic..

 

[brokenChild]

I think there's something to be said about the nature of the visuals experienced, I know this has been particularly true for me with other hallucinogenics, tho I haven't tried DMT yet I assume the same principal holds true there as well.

The nature of the trip expression will reflect the nature of the consciousness upon which the trip is experienced.

the same is true for life

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

A pragmatic approach: What is "real", and when is it actually useful to ask this? - Philosophy - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

This thread rules! How have I missed this??

Thanks! :d

 

[universecannon]

I'm not really sure what "fake" means when talking about reality...

But without getting into a discussion on semantics and the nature of reality, in general I think hyperspace is far too coherent, emotionally charged, meaningful, and downright multi-dimensionally alien for it to just boil down to our brains simply tricking themselves or something (or it being basically any nebulous notion anti-psychedelic people tend to hold on the topic).

I've had very confusing and seemingly random experiences that I can understand would support such an idea to some people who have only experienced that and haven't had experiences that go well beyond it.... But those disjointed experiences are just a tiny fraction of what it is possible to experience. Not to mention that its sooo much more about the state of consciousness/mental aspect than it is about what your seeing. For me one of the best parts is when all the senses and awareness can coalesce into a synesthesia state of consciousness where mind and perception melt into a unifying and holistic experience of profound understanding, realization, love, and oneness with the circuitry of the universe..

Our different minds, projections and illusions play a role in the experience, but i don't think they are the whole picture.

In some weird way I'm hoping that we all did come from the stars

No need to hope, because we did! The atoms in us were cooked in the heart of dying stars man. If you don't believe me look it up :]

We are literally the universe becoming conscious of and playing with itself. We're a grand expression of the primordial energy source of the universe coming to self-awareness.

 

[d*l*b]

From what I have read of the experiences of others (I try not to pay too much attention and have experiences of my own) my journeys are not what I read about. I think that some of it comes from the way our minds work as human beings, our environments and thoughts.

 

[BecometheOther]

First off, sorry if any of my questions seem stupid, I like to ask alot...

I've seen topics,replies,peoples thoughts,etc .. all on the notion that psychedelic's should never be taken seriously, it's just what our brain trick's us into seeing, and nothing much more than that.

I dont think that is really the common view of people who use psychedelics. I would say the vast majority of psychedelic people do take it seriously, and are not just in it for fun/messing around thats definetly not the attitude here. I personally treat the right experiences with entheogens as the best source of insight and spirituality for me so i take every trip very seriously! Most people are either doing spiritual or personal growth work with psychedelics, and i dont think just doing it recreationally is the norm.

 

[SalviaDroid]

The psychedelic realm is more real than this state of consciousness in my opinion. Entheogenic plants remove the veil on our eyes and let us obtain knowledge that is otherwise inaccessible by default. Could somehow be related to the Tree of Knowledge? Not sure but I would imagine it has a greater purpose than what is imagined by most.

 

[dreamer042]

I've seen Hindu gods and Egyptian hieroglyphs, met my deceased ancestors, and gone on extended intergalactic tours of the cosmos within the tryptamine trance. Not the mention all the just downright impossible and incomprehensible that I can't even being to describe. These things often make me feel like I really am tapping into something bigger than just my own wetware.


To juxtapose that, I once had a DMT trip that ended with the Porky Pig Warner Bros ending. The music and everything down to the T exactly. :surprised

[YOUTUBE]

DMT is weird stuff :lol:

 

[jbark]

"If all this is fake"...

...then nothing is real for the definition of real is inextricably entwined with that which pervades our senses and our awareness.

By definition it cannot be fake.



JBArk

 

[3rdI]

In some weird way I'm hoping that we all did come from the stars

No need to hope, because we did! The atoms in us were cooked in the heart of dying stars man. If you don't believe me look it up :]

[YOUTUBE]