So You Want to IM DMT Fumarate (Or other salt)

[thePup.Kyro]

Thank you for this well-detailed guide. I will definitely be trying this soon!

Since testosterone is something I cycle IM, I have 1” 23g luer lock needle tips readily available. In your opinion, would those be too big? Typically, after injecting testosterone, I use a massage gun to help the substance spread out and mitigate the slight bruised feeling. What are your thoughts on using it with this? Would it make any difference for the feeling at the injection site afterward or perhaps speed up the onset of the journey?

 

[Here&Now]

Thank you for this well-detailed guide. I will definitely be trying this soon!

Since testosterone is something I cycle IM, I have 1” 23g luer lock needle tips readily available. In your opinion, would those be too big? Typically, after injecting testosterone, I use a massage gun to help the substance spread out and mitigate the slight bruised feeling. What are your thoughts on using it with this? Would it make any difference for the feeling at the injection site afterward or perhaps speed up the onset of the journey?

It'd be so much easier and less painful to use a 29-31g insulin needle and perform a shallow intramuscular or subcutaneous injection. There's no need to get it deep in the muscle. I've never injected testosterone, but as I understand it, it comes as an oil when used for injection. A vial of DMT is practically the consistency of water, and there's much less considerations in needing to inject it a certain way.

 

[famine]

Hi,

Even with Test, there is no need to inject 1" deep. But it is not a problem to do so. I'm surprised he still has pain after so many injections... probably not correct injection technique. It should be painless.

Regards,
famine

 

[Here&Now]

Hi,

How long is the duration of the peak with IM? I want to try it during summer

@famine did you ever end up giving IM DMT a try?

 

[Here&Now]

@Ruffles any new insights around intramuscular DMT use? It's a rare thing to find someone else who works with it, which always surprises me since it's such an ideal ROA.

 

[Ruffles]

Hey Here&now. From my previous post describing the effects at different doses of the Ds fumarate. I wouldn't add more comments to it.

Maximum so far was 50 mg and next on the list is the IM 12 : 9 harmala + DMT but that will take time from low to higher doses. Did try the D malate IM but it was a bit weak compared to fumarate pound for pound but that makes sense considering freebase and salt to salts weight conversions, plus the injection site feels weirdly painful for a while instead of burning like fumarate (none of which is alarming). My current estimate is that 60-70 mg fumarate and maybe 70-80 mg malate would be equivalent to 30-40 mg smoked freebase in peak intensity, but I am already very satisfied with the effects 40-50 mg produces with and without 30-40 mg sublingual harmala. Plus it saves a lot of D per experience and hopefully combos with harmala will use even less of both.

Actually doing a time off D experiences due to mundane activities and don't find myself craving for it, which is something I always worry about. The daydreaming of what will happen if so and so is always there...

 

[Here&Now]

Hey Here&now. From my previous post describing the effects at different doses of the Ds fumarate. I wouldn't add more comments to it.

Maximum so far was 50 mg and next on the list is the IM 12 : 9 harmala + DMT but that will take time from low to higher doses. Did try the D malate IM but it was a bit weak compared to fumarate pound for pound but that makes sense considering freebase and salt to salts weight conversions, plus the injection site feels weirdly painful for a while instead of burning like fumarate (none of which is alarming). My current estimate is that 60-70 mg fumarate and maybe 70-80 mg malate would be equivalent to 30-40 mg smoked freebase in peak intensity, but I am already very satisfied with the effects 40-50 mg produces with and without 30-40 mg sublingual harmala. Plus it saves a lot of D per experience and hopefully combos with harmala will use even less of both.

Actually doing a time off D experiences due to mundane activities and don't find myself craving for it, which is something I always worry about. The daydreaming of what will happen if so and so is always there...

Nice, thanks. I believe the psychonauts from the 60s and 70s (Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner, Ram Dass, etc) also landed on ~40-50mg of IM DMT being a sweet spot. Sounds like that's a good final target to keep in mind as someone experiments with incrementally raising the dose.

 

[Ruffles]

I have read somewhere online a very amusing and detailed Timothy Leary DMT trip report of 80 mg IM (don't remember exactly the amount but it's up there). He used his psychedelic communicator typewriter apparatus during the event. Don't remember if he declared or knew what form DMT was in but I can only assume it was a salt from the dosage.

 

[Violet Quark]

Just a quick one.
Would it be OK to use bacteriostatic water instead of saline?
Cheers

 

[Varallo]

Just a quick one.
Would it be OK to use bacteriostatic water instead of saline?
Cheers

Yes, that would technically work, but of course you can’t be sure that the DMT solution you’re injecting is actually clean. It might help against bacteria, but it wouldn’t do much against viruses, and certainly not against all the dust particles and other contaminants that are usually present in most DMT extractions.

 

[Here&Now]

Yes, that would technically work, but of course you can’t be sure that the DMT solution you’re injecting is actually clean. It might help against bacteria, but it wouldn’t do much against viruses, and certainly not against all the dust particles and other contaminants that are usually present in most DMT extractions.

It is true that viruses are likely to remain in the solution if they're already present (since they're so small), but the use of a micron wheel filter helps towards cleaning up a number of other contaminants.

Quick AI info:

What Wheel Filters Remove

• Particles
• Plant fibers and mold
• Fungi and spores
• Most bacteria (especially with the 0.2 micron filter)
• Other insoluble impurities and contaminants

 

[Pandora]

Entheogen Review and similar harm reduction-focused publications and organizations provide information on safer substance use practices, focusing on minimizing potential harms rather than promoting drug injection. They do not provide instructions on "how to shot drugs" but offer evidence-based methods for safety, such as using sterile equipment, proper hygiene, and accessing harm reduction services.
Key harm reduction strategies related to injection drug use include:

• Using Sterile Equipment: Utilizing new, sterile needles and syringes for each injection prevents the spread of blood-borne infections like HIV and Hepatitis C. Syringe Service Programs (SSPs) provide access to sterile supplies and safe disposal.
• Hygiene and Wound Care: Cleaning the injection site and hands with soap/water or an alcohol swab prior to injection is crucial to prevent infections and abscesses. Proper wound care is also available at many harm reduction sites.
• Filtration and Preparation: When preparing a solution for injection, using a new, sterile filter and sterile water can reduce the risk of injecting particles that may cause health concerns.
• Using Safe Injection Sites: Overdose Prevention Centers (OPCs) or supervised injection facilities provide a safe, supervised environment to use drugs, which has been shown to reduce overdose deaths and transmission of diseases.
• • Overdose Prevention and Response:
    • Naloxone (Narcan®): Having naloxone available and knowing how to use it is critical for reversing opioid overdoses. Many harm reduction programs provide naloxone kits and training.
    • Fentanyl Test Strips: These strips can be used to check if a substance contains fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opioid often found in other illicit drugs, which helps users make informed decisions to prevent accidental overdose.
    • Never Use Alone Hotlines: Services like the Never Use Alone hotline (1-800-484-3731) connect users with a volunteer who will stay on the phone with them while they use, calling emergency services if they become unresponsive.
  • Access to Healthcare: Harm reduction programs often serve as a gateway to healthcare, including testing and treatment for infectious diseases, mental health support, and substance use disorder treatment programs, without requiring

 

[Varallo]

It is true that viruses are likely to remain in the solution if they're already present (since they're so small), but the use of a micron wheel filter helps towards cleaning up a number of other contaminants.

Quick AI info:

What Wheel Filters Remove

• Particles
• Plant fibers and mold
• Fungi and spores
• Most bacteria (especially with the 0.2 micron filter)
• Other insoluble impurities and contaminants

My reply was on bacteriostatic water and not wheel filters, I’m all for wheel filters as they are the best solution for drug users.

 

[Here&Now]

My reply was on bacteriostatic water and not wheel filters, I’m all for wheel filters as they are the best solution for drug users.

Good clarification, thanks. I agree, depending on bacteriostatic water for proper sterility would be super iffy. In fact, if I understand correctly, it doesn't actually kill bacteria; it only prevents new bacteria growth, and imperfectly at that.

 

[Violet Quark]

OK so I know I need sterile saline. I just can't seem to find any!
Is anybody allowed to give me a hint?

 

[Here&Now]

OK so I know I need sterile saline. I just can't seem to find any!
Is anybody allowed to give me a hint?

If you're in the US, sterile vials of bacteriostatic water are common enough that you could even find them on Amazon. They're often used for reconstituting peptides.

Though I should add that the injection of psychedelics is something you should have a firm grasp of before attempting. Other members of the forum often bring up the dangers, and they're correct in doing so. It's potentially not as harmless as other ROAs. Just make sure you understand it front and back before proceeding, and don't rush into it. Also, the cleanliness of your source material is a consideration.

 

[Violet Quark]

If you're in the US, sterile vials of bacteriostatic water are common enough that you could even find them on Amazon. They're often used for reconstituting peptides.

I was under the impression that I really need sterile saline and not bacteriostatic water.
I have found some 10ml prefilled sterile saline syringes. Do you think that I could just remove the plunger from one of these and put the fumarate straight in?
Bye the way, I'm taking this very seriously and doing a lot of research. I cannot smoke spice due to other unrelated health issues, it is far too harsh. That's why I'm investigating this solution.

 

[Here&Now]

I was under the impression that I really need sterile saline and not bacteriostatic water.
I have found some 10ml prefilled sterile saline syringes. Do you think that I could just remove the plunger from one of these and put the fumarate straight in?
Bye the way, I'm taking this very seriously and doing a lot of research. I cannot smoke spice due to other unrelated health issues, it is far too harsh. That's why I'm investigating this solution.

The use of bacteriostatic water is standard practice when it comes to the creation of multi-use vials. Every time you pierce the rubber stopper to pull another dose, it presents a new opportunity for bacteria to get into the vial and multiply. You theoretically could use sterile water for multi-use, and some people do, but it's not guaranteed to remain as free from bacteria.

Do you have a link to the prefilled syringes? I've never seen anything like that before.

 

[Here&Now]

I just noticed that the original post in this thread lists sterile saline as the ingredient to use. That must be what's throwing you off. I'm not sure why they used that terminology.

Your primary two choices when creating a vial are called bacteriostatic water and sterile water. Bacteriostatic water that's sold in sealed vials is sterile as well, despite it not being in the name.

Here's a site where you can get either: Bacteriostatic Water and Sterile Water

 

[Violet Quark]

Hi Again

Do you have a link to the prefilled syringes? I've never seen anything like that before.

This is the link to the Syringe mentioned.

10ml Prefilled Saline Syringe || Sterile

Product Overview: DEHP-Free, PVC-Free, Latex Free Sterile, non-pyrogenic and non-toxic Offers standard dust cover and sterile field configurations Virtually eliminates rebound Eliminates needles and vials Eliminates potentials of cross-contamination Compatible with all needleless systems Product...

www.zedmed.co.uk

The reason I thought sterile saline would be best is because of this message:-

Good clarification, thanks. I agree, depending on bacteriostatic water for proper sterility would be super iffy. In fact, if I understand correctly, it doesn't actually kill bacteria; it only prevents new bacteria growth, and imperfectly at that.

They also sell this but it doesn't say sterile.

Isotonic Saline Solution 0.9% 500 ml || B. Braun

Isotonic Saline Solution 0.9% 500 ml

www.zedmed.co.uk

I can find bacteriostatic water quite easily to be honest.

Thanks for all the help.