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Sober in the DMT realm

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soulman

soulman

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So i just read a few entries from some dudes DMT experiences from his Jounal called "The DMT Chronicles"
If you havent come across it before, heres the link.

The DMT Chronicles: Parmenides, Plato, and the Psychedelic - Published by The Translinguistic Press - Trip Reports - Shroomery Message Board

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One of the things which got my attention in one of his entries, was this guys claim that when he breaks through to another DMT realm, he feels completely normal i.e like hes not on drugs at all and is just experiencing the landscape like any human would in everyday life, completeley sober. Heres the excerpt......

After I smoke DMT and completely break through, I am not tripping. The DMT doesn’t actually enhance you in the sense that Psilocybin mushrooms or LSD does. Rather, it is like an airplane. It’s simply a form of transportation. It takes you to an extremely far away place. In this sense, it is completely different than an ordinary psychedelic, such as psilocybin mushrooms or LSD. Therefore, when I am induced in the DMT experience I do not feel as if I am on a psychedelic or a drug. Once I have been transported to another microcosm, I am not truly on anything. I am simply there in a sober sense. I am experiencing the world just how a human is to experience it. My interpretation is based upon the sensory data that I receive when I am in a non-altered state of mind

SWIM hasnt expereinced a breakthrough as of yet, and was just wondering if the above is true for anyone else who may have broken through?
 
SWIM has definitely experienced similar things..its best to stay calm when it happens too...but it really all depends...sometimes its a wild roller coaster ride through heaven and hell and then somehow both and back and the whole time you are just sitting in the seat going through all this stuff..other times you are in a stable 3+D space..with being around you interacting...except its nuts! there are so many different sides of the spice experience that it will continue to surprise you again and again...and again...and again
 
Jorkest said:
SWIM has definitely experienced similar things..its best to stay calm when it happens too...but it really all depends...sometimes its a wild roller coaster ride through heaven and hell and then somehow both and back and the whole time you are just sitting in the seat going through all this stuff..other times you are in a stable 3+D space..with being around you interacting...except its nuts! there are so many different sides of the spice experience that it will continue to surprise you again and again...and again...and again
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wow, thats some interestin shit.
What are SWIYs expeiences like when he doesnt break though
 
its kinda like watching a movie..except there is a feeling of movement..he sees events happening on some 2d screen in front of his eyes..except it feels like moving through a tunnel...other times he tries to stay focused on this reality while taking large doses with maoi's and hes noticed that you become unable to use computers..because its almost like everything gets so magnified that you cant read it..or almost like a scrambling shield that is keeping you from using it..

other times SWIM has seen the walls fold onto the flood and then the floor back onto the walls and then the walls up to the ceiling and then back down onto the walls...other times the textures of everything you see switch places...as in the texture of the rug will cover your friends face while the texture of the wood will cover a bedspread..and keep changing extremely fast...other times you will be fully conscious of both realities and be able to describe them to the people out here in great detail while its happening...sometimes its in slow mo..sometimes its backwards...sometimes its squishy sometimes its sharp...sometimes it lasts 3 years..sometimes it lasts 2 seconds

sometimes you will all the sudden be standing next to the door in your room having stuff drip off the ceiling and you cant figure out how you got there and why your tripping out..but you figure you probably smoked dmt and you just cant remember hitting the pipe..thats a funny one by the way..

sometimes its lasts 2 minutes...sometimes 30...sometimes you will think you are getting a small hit..only to blast off harder than you have ever before

thousands of beings cheer when SWIM puts the pipe to his lips..and they encourage him to take a nice big hit..and they help him hold his hit in...

he makes sure to smile..they like that..and it helps..

SWIM says he could go on all day..there are so many aspects..

and wait until you hear the sound of hyperspace...its like a RINGringRINGringRINGring in different volumes over and over again as you spin around the universe
 
soulman said:
One of the things which got my attention in one of his entries, was this guys claim that when he breaks through to another DMT realm, he feels completely normal i.e like hes not on drugs at all and is just experiencing the landscape like any human would in everyday life, completeley sober.
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I recognize this, breakthough or not: it can be like a teleportation to just another boring place/time in the universe... I can confirm everything Jorkest said, for what it's worth with my limited experience.
 
Well that is interesting.SWIM hasnt broken through as of yet, and his during his experiences he feels incapacitated. He just lies on his bed and tries to take in all the stuff thats goin on. So its good to know that your not in that same incapacitated state when you break through. So can you acyually navigate around then? or is it more like your just a passive observer watchin shit go by?
 
You can get a full breakthrough with pure freebase 5-HO-DMT (bufotenine) smoked and be sober and able to navigate just fine. SWIM cannot do that with DMT. DMT is mentally intoxicating.

THH seems to help sobor up your mind. SWIM has found the THH + DMT mix to be mentally clearer than DMT along, but SWIM hasn't had a breakthrough experience YET with that mix. Even with the non-breakthrough experiences SWIM has had with THH + DMT, the mind is still not as clear as a 5-HO-DMT breakthrough experience is.

With 5-HO-DMT, your emotional state, and mental state remained pretty much unaltered. It’s almost entirely a visual and auditory experience. It does make your mind feel a little cloudy at breakthrough doses, but you can still think properly, but you might get a little bit forgetful.

5-HO-DMT is more like watching a movie than any other hallucinogen. It leaves you feeling pretty much normal. This is why SWIM likes it more than DMT. You can take a large dose, see 3D objects hovering in front of you, and still be sober enough to carry on a meaningful conversation on the phone (which is impossible for SWIM when on high doses of DMT).

If a person goes the 5-HO-DMT route, it needs to be pure. A crude extraction from Yopo is not very pleasant.

The THH + DMT route is pretty easy. Note that caapi + DMT is not the same. Caapi contains harmine. Harmine makes the DMT even more incapacitating, while THH makes is less so. Harmine makes the trip much more involved, but at the cost of losing your ability to concentrate. At least that’s the case with SWIM.
 
If one has certain interests they think about much of the time, will this come out in the DMT experience if one breaks through?
 
69ron said:
With 5-HO-DMT, your emotional state, and mental state remained pretty much unaltered. It’s almost entirely a visual and auditory experience. It does make your mind feel a little cloudy at breakthrough doses, but you can still think properly, but you might get a little bit forgetful.
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How does one extract 5-HO-DMT? Is that the same as 5methoxy-dmt?
 
After the breakthrough I just had today, I can say I was perfectly sober. The geometric patterns became 3D for the first time, and I was in a hall outside of several rooms. Feeling of movement, but just observing. But I didn't hit it too hard, so I was probably on the cusp of just breaking through.
 
69ron said:
ANYTHING is possible. You are only limited by your imagination.
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You are SO RIGHT! I had been thinking of Bolt, my favorite movie, quite a bit, and did I ever see Bolt there, but in strange forms. And I think I felt some clown presences. Crazy how I got there probably on smoking 15mg or so.

Interesting stuff, not scary at all. Or at least from what I've seen so far.
 
soulman said:
69ron said:
With 5-HO-DMT, your emotional state, and mental state remained pretty much unaltered. It’s almost entirely a visual and auditory experience. It does make your mind feel a little cloudy at breakthrough doses, but you can still think properly, but you might get a little bit forgetful.
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How does one extract 5-HO-DMT? Is that the same as 5methoxy-dmt?
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It's the opposite of 5-MeO-DMT. 5-HO-DMT is the main active alkaloid in Yopo/Vilca. But it’s pretty hard to isolate from the toxins in Yopo/Vilca seeds. Another name for it is bufotenine.

5-MeO-DMT is hardly visual. It produces an LSD-like psychedelic state of mind, with almost no visual effects. It’s quite nice. It’s one of SWIM’s favorite non-visual psychedelics. SWIM likes 5-MeO-DMT taken sublingually. It’s a beautiful experience that way. You gain a lot of insight into the world around you. It’s like a short acid trip.

DMT is visual, and mentally psychedelic. DMT is sort of a cross between 5-MeO-DMT and 5-HO-DMT. It’s visual like 5-HO-DMT and has effects on the mind like 5-MeO-DMT. SWIM likes DMT taken orally with THH (tetrahydroharmine). It’s a very overwhelming experience and takes a lot out of you. DMT is heavy duty. You need to put aside time for it.

5-HO-DMT is only visual. There are almost no effects on the mind. The trip is like watching a movie. You feel pretty much normal and can sit and relax while watching the visions unfold. This is SWIM’s favorite hallucinogen. I wouldn’t call it a psychedelic, because it doesn’t have any effects on your emotions, your mind, etc. It’s pretty much just visual (and also very auditory). SWIM likes it best smoked.
 
^^^ Is the HO-DMT visuals rather random like geometric patterns, or can you see characters, events, and such going on?
 
5-HO-DMT can produce full blown visions complete with entities, landscapes, dialog, music, etc. It can take you as far into a visionary experience as DMT can, but without the emotional and psychological effects of DMT.

The visions have a slightly different character. DMT visions are softer, smoother, more pastel like, while 5-HO-DMT visions are more electric and energetic, more neon like and tend to pulsate more. The 5-HO-DMT visions are more rhythmic and for SWIM there’s nearly always chanting and other sounds and music heard during the visions. 5-HO-DMT seams to produce the strongest auditory hallucinations of all the hallucinogens SWIM has tried.

SWIM prefers 5-HO-DMT over DMT most of the time, but its very difficult and time consuming to purify 5-HO-DMT. The toxins normally present in Yopo/Vilca produce nausea, tension in the body, headache, etc. They are not pleasant.

DMT from mimosa or chacruna is much easier to extract any purify. There’s no known easy way to extract and purify 5-HO-DMT (unless you have access to chloroform and ethyl acetate).

A 5-HO-DMT trip starts about 2-5 minutes after smoking it. It peaks after about 10-20 minutes and can last up to 3 hours if you smoke a large enough dose. In some ways it’s similar to 4-HO-DMT (psilocin), especially towards the end of the trip. If you combine THH with it, the 5-HO-DMT visuals become very DMT-like. But even then it is pretty much void of mental effects.
 
To me, in my breakthrough it was almost like that movie Contact. The part where she's in the middle of being transported and sees some alien vessel or rig. I saw glimpses almost surrounded by a dreamlike scene. Like I was shown things. Quite interesting. Will try again with an MAOI if I can do it right this time.
 
Nanaki said:
Will try again with an MAOI if I can do it right this time.
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Do you mean your gonna smoke it after taking a MAOI?
Has anyone ever done this before, because me thinks that shit will be just far too intense.
SWIM has drank Aya before, but can not imagine what it must be like to smoke DMT after taking a MAOI. I mean surely, with a MOAI, that really intense inital rush would take consideralbly longer to subside.
SWIM hasnt broken through yet, and in that respect, using a MAOI to prolong the trip in hyperspace is understandable. However, SWIMS experiences with DMT thus far have just been an insanely mental distortion of his imediate physical reality. A state which he finds intensley overwhelming, a little confusing, but with sprinklings of glimpses into a deeper knowledge. Its not something he would like to say he enjoys, but he is certainly curious and facinated by the whole experience, and thats what keeps him goin back, but not something he would really want to prolong with the use of a MAOI!

I guess this kinda ties back to the original question. Do experienced "breakthroughers" experience the "otherside" in a sober state, or is it just the guy from the DMT chronicles who thinks this? If this is the case, then i can understand the use of a MAOI.
Also, anyone who has smoked DMT after taking a MAOI, typically how much longer does this prolong the trip for?
 
It is intense, but I use 20mg DMT and smoke probably 15mg of it. Considering 15mg breaks me through normally, I felt it was good.

But it's nothing I couldn't handle. Broke through, but still didn't feel like I was shot out of a cannon. More like I'm just there. But did feel the pressures and such before breaking through.

3 droppers of Harmaline 5X Tincture taken orally (in water over about 10 mins) doubled the length to about 15 mins total, and doubled the intensity. Each dropper is about 75mg of the alkaloids.


soulman said:
Nanaki said:
Will try again with an MAOI if I can do it right this time.
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Do you mean your gonna smoke it after taking a MAOI?
Has anyone ever done this before, because me thinks that shit will be just far too intense.
SWIM has drank Aya before, but can not imagine what it must be like to smoke DMT after taking a MAOI. I mean surely, with a MOAI, that really intense inital rush would take consideralbly longer to subside.
SWIM hasnt broken through yet, and in that respect, using a MAOI to prolong the trip in hyperspace is understandable. However, SWIMS experiences with DMT thus far have just been an insanely mental distortion of his imediate physical reality. A state which he finds intensley overwhelming, a little confusing, but with sprinklings of glimpses into a deeper knowledge. Its not something he would like to say he enjoys, but he is certainly curious and facinated by the whole experience, and thats what keeps him goin back, but not something he would really want to prolong with the use of a MAOI!

I guess this kinda ties back to the original question. Do experienced "breakthroughers" experience the "otherside" in a sober state, or is it just the guy from the DMT chronicles who thinks this? If this is the case, then i can understand the use of a MAOI.
Also, anyone who has smoked DMT after taking a MAOI, typically how much longer does this prolong the trip for?
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SWIM enjoys doing it with maois much better..its seriously a LOVELY experience...slows it down a little bit..and allows you to bask in its glory for a bit longer
 
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