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fireduck

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I have tried a couple different ways to try and make my DMT crystals whiter and purer, but so far the results have not been impressive.

I usually use a STB tek, and the more pulls I do the yellower the crystals get. As far as I can tell from what happens when we smoke it, the yellow must contain a lot of oil. I've tried redissolving the crystals in naphtha and using different water based solutions to "wash" the naphtha, with poor results.

When I did an A to B tek and used a defatting step, I got very white and pure crystals which got me thinking. I want to try to clean DMT from a STB tek by doing the following. I'm looking for advice or suggestions from anyone who may have tried this, and any pointers you might have. I'm also looking to know if there are better ways to remove yellow plant oils from DMT produced from a quick extraction method.

I want to take yellow freebased DMT and dissolve it in a heated acidic solution. I am planning on using vinegar. From there I will pour in naphtha and preform a defatting step. Afterwards, lye will be added to make the pH at least 11, and I will attempt to get the DMT out of the basic solution with as many naphtha extractions as required.

What do you think? Are there better ways to remove impurities from yellow DMT crystals, to make them bleach white and pure?
 
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I dont see the need for a hot acidic solution, but yah- reacidify, wash a couple times with naphta, basify, extract, freeze precipitate etc

I dont see the need for added heat while doing the defat. You are using your solvent at that point to pick up oils and such.

Now when pulling basified spice... diff story.
 
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you can just add your spice to a solvent and heat it SLIGHTLY and you will get a little yellow puddle of spice under the solvent...swirl it around awhile and then pour off the solvent, leaving the yellow puddle of dmt-oil goo...and then do a freeze precip...you should get some really nice white crystals that way
 
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Jorkest said:
you can just add your spice to a solvent and heat it SLIGHTLY and you will get a little yellow puddle of spice under the solvent...swirl it around awhile and then pour off the solvent, leaving the yellow puddle of dmt-oil goo...and then do a freeze precip...you should get some really nice white crystals that way
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Yes, I have done this, and I've seen little orange/yellow puddles form, and passed the naphtha back through a filter which removed the balls of goo at the bottom. Then I tried doing a sodium carbonate wash and freeze precip again. I am not 100% sure why you do a sodium carbonate wash, but as far as I understand it is for removing lye and not oils and fats, so it would not be helpful to me, and so far that seems to be true.

However, it seems most of the oils must have gone into the naphtha, because the coloring was obvious from the start. Maybe I used too much heat when doing that recrystallization. The yellow color was lessened by my process, but it was still very much yellow. I also must have lost 15% of DMT I started with. If I try to recrystallize again with a similar process, I will take your advice about only using a little heat - maybe more oils and fats will be left behind. I probably heated the naphtha up to 140 deg F, so for the most part the DMT would have melted easily and thus released the oils back into the mix very easily.

I am looking into FASA methods because I am very interested in forming some DMT fumarate and trying to snort it. I can acquire all the materials, but I just haven't gone out and tried it yet. For the most part I prefer to use lye to make the original extractions, because I get about 1% yields when doing STB, and I am worried about low yields with other methods, so I have not decided if I will just use FASA to change the DMT to a salt or actually do a complete extraction with it.
 
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SWIM would use the fumaric spice for oral ingestion...he tried snorting it with a friend..and OUCH..it was extremely painful and the effects werent that great...caused a good purging though...both kinds...and got some mild body high and minor visuals for a bit

just make like 50mg of fumaric spice add some maoi's...SWIM used 100mg harmine and 50mg THH...was a WONDERFUL experience...WAY better than snorting it...easy to deal with...yet powerful
 
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Thanks for the advice. I have been interested in eating DMT also, but I have been reluctant to actually order some rue seeds as of yet. Is fumaric spice actually better for eating than the freebase?
 
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fireduck said:
Thanks for the advice. I have been interested in eating DMT also, but I have been reluctant to actually order some rue seeds as of yet. Is fumaric spice actually better for eating than the freebase?
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SWIM ate 100mg of harmine and 50mg of THH then 25 minutes later ate 50mg of fumaric spice..the come up was very fast and the peak lasted about 3 hours...he said he is going to use more maoi's next time and maybe a little less spice..and the freebase i hear takes a long time to kick in because the body needs to convert it into a salt before it gets absorbed through the stomach or something
 
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fireduck said:
Thanks for the advice. I have been interested in eating DMT also, but I have been reluctant to actually order some rue seeds as of yet. Is fumaric spice actually better for eating than the freebase?
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Yes. Pretty much all the salt forms are better for oral ingestion. They come on quicker and seem more potent.

DMT phosphate is said to be the most potent orally. But that’s a goo and is no good for storage. DMT fumaric works nearly as well but is a dry powder so you can easily store it. It’s also extremely stable.
 
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fireduck said:
Jorkest said:
you can just add your spice to a solvent and heat it SLIGHTLY and you will get a little yellow puddle of spice under the solvent...swirl it around awhile and then pour off the solvent, leaving the yellow puddle of dmt-oil goo...and then do a freeze precip...you should get some really nice white crystals that way
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Yes, I have done this, and I've seen little orange/yellow puddles form, and passed the naphtha back through a filter which removed the balls of goo at the bottom. Then I tried doing a sodium carbonate wash and freeze precip again. I am not 100% sure why you do a sodium carbonate wash, but as far as I understand it is for removing lye and not oils and fats, so it would not be helpful to me, and so far that seems to be true.

However, it seems most of the oils must have gone into the naphtha, because the coloring was obvious from the start. Maybe I used too much heat when doing that recrystallization. The yellow color was lessened by my process, but it was still very much yellow. I also must have lost 15% of DMT I started with. If I try to recrystallize again with a similar process, I will take your advice about only using a little heat - maybe more oils and fats will be left behind. I probably heated the naphtha up to 140 deg F, so for the most part the DMT would have melted easily and thus released the oils back into the mix very easily.

I am looking into FASA methods because I am very interested in forming some DMT fumarate and trying to snort it. I can acquire all the materials, but I just haven't gone out and tried it yet. For the most part I prefer to use lye to make the original extractions, because I get about 1% yields when doing STB, and I am worried about low yields with other methods, so I have not decided if I will just use FASA to change the DMT to a salt or actually do a complete extraction with it.
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when recrystalizing, how much solvent per g of yellow dmt did you use? If you used too much solvent, then it will also more easily pickup the yellow back again.. If you use just enough solvent to pick up the dmt, then it will leave more yellow behind.. 25ml of warm naphtha per g of yellow dmt works great for SWIM's recrystalization
 
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I can't say I measured it out to carefully. I think I tried to clean about 2g of DMT in at least 100ml, so I guess I used to much solvent. When the naphtha got back to room temp, crystals had already built up on the walls. Before it was completely cooled, I did a sodium carbonate wash, and each time water was added I saw a bunch of stuff precipitate from the difference in temp.

If you are cleaning 1g of DMT and you put it into 25ml of naphtha, and are not heating it much to help it dissolve as ron suggested, how long does it take before the DMT is dissolved? It seems to dissolve very slowly without heat. I wonder if you can even get 1g DMT will fit in 25 ml of say, 100 deg F naphtha. I know I used easily twice the amount of naphtha you are suggesting, and the DMT really didn't want to stay in there once it was removed from the heat.
 
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fireduck said:
I can't say I measured it out to carefully. I think I tried to clean about 2g of DMT in at least 100ml, so I guess I used to much solvent. When the naphtha got back to room temp, crystals had already built up on the walls. Before it was completely cooled, I did a sodium carbonate wash, and each time water was added I saw a bunch of stuff precipitate from the difference in temp.

If you are cleaning 1g of DMT and you put it into 25ml of naphtha, and are not heating it much to help it dissolve as ron suggested, how long does it take before the DMT is dissolved? It seems to dissolve very slowly without heat. I wonder if you can even get 1g DMT will fit in 25 ml of say, 100 deg F naphtha. I know I used easily twice the amount of naphtha you are suggesting, and the DMT really didn't want to stay in there once it was removed from the heat.
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yes use heat.. just submerge the bottom of the container in quite warm water and move it around a bit.. it takes a minute or two to dissolve all, except the oily puddle on the bottom.. then add another 5ml to it and separate again just to make sure you got all the dmt.
 
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I made one other pretty bad mistake too, and that was that I didn't know I supposed to be looking for the oil to clump up and take it out. Once I looked at the bottom and saw a puddle of orange goo, I figured out that looked pretty bad, so I might as well move the naphtha to a different container. I should have probably removed it from the heat sooner, but I left it going encouraging more oil to enter back into the naphtha. What I expected at first was to redissolve everything and refreeze it, and I was hoping most of the impurities would stay in the naphtha
 
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