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hamhurricane

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It is pretty obvious that solvent inhalation is dangerous, but can someone give me an idea of exactly how much risk i am putting myself under working with Naptha, Xylene, Ammonia etc.
In general I'm quite neurotic about my health, and i do what i can to avoid inhaling fumes (opening the windows wide, taking breaks to get fresh air) but i still feel light headed, dizzy and generally dumb at the end of any extraction (i've only done a few.) I'm afraid i have already done myself damage, although im probably just being a hypochondriac.
How far do you all go to protect yourselves? Do you wear respirators, work outside, use fans, wear gloves all of those things? or more?
 
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Just go to the paint section of your local hardware store and invest in a ventilation mask for spray painting.

I would say if you are going to be around it more than a couple times a year then it is well worth spending $50+ for a half way decent one. After all, it is your health.
 
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SWIM tried 75mg of the freebase with a pharmaceutical MAOI, his mind was unexpectedly blown into a thousand pieces...not sure why.
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Probly the pharmaceutical maoi played a role. Even the reversible ones tend to be stronger as I understand it, and I've heard reports of people taking dmt on irreversible pharmaceutical maois and having their minds blown for weeks at a time.

One analysis showed the average dmt content in a church huasca brew to be around 50mg, as I recall (I have the exact reference around here somewhere if anyone wants it). Of course they often drink more than one dose, and natives are notoriously more sensitive (or is it westerners who are notoriously more hard headed? I forget...) to such things.

I have heard it proposed that more of the freebase is needed cuz it doesn't absorb as rapidly. Dunno how much that's really a factor though.

Swim always treats his crude acetate salts as if they were 100% pure, even though he knows they're not. They're close enough as far as he can tell. If you're regularly taking a pharmaceutical maoi, your enzyme levels are probably real low, so you may not need much at all.

Does it really have to be lab grade ethanol? How about just 190 proof everclear?
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Swim tried everclear, it doesn't separate readily from limo the way the lab grade stuff did. He finally got it to kinda separate anyway, evapped it, and it still had a lotta limo residue in it. Interestingly enough, he smoked it anyway, with a couple of girls. All three noticed something... there was absolutely no visuals, no mindfuck... but a real sedative quality, and a really REALLY cool somatic feeling. One girl started rubbing her arms on the blanket and commenting on how good it felt. But really, really downery too... Swim and one girl fell asleep right there, the other girl stayed awake for about 5 hours and said she felt the effects the entire time, and that it was kinda cool but also kinda like a "sinking spell." Swim agrees.

I can only assume this sedatory effect is perhaps plant oils or something? Have no idea what this could be really, but it's certainly a fascinating compound that bears more research. A long lasting somatic effect like this could be really useful in pain management, sleep, mellowing out, etc.

Swim also tested some denatured ethanol he got from the hardware store. Same as everclear in terms of the way it mixed with limo and didn't want to separate (he never even bothered trying it on spiced limo after seeing that). The lab grade stuff formed two distinctly separate layers almost immediately, and the spice goo it pulled was powerful.
 
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have been using oderless mineral spirits until the kinks in the limo tek are worked out, the brand name is turpenoid, much more expensive than naptha but it truly is oderless! i have not gotten a chance to do a quick evap test to see if it leaves residue but i would imagine it evaps clean since it claims to be highly refined. swim has not weighed out his yields, but it most def DOES pull out xystals. i still get a terrible light headed feeling even when working with the turpenoid, which makes me wonder if it is even more dangerous since it has no oder people might inhale the vapors more readily...any thoughts on turpenoid toxicity?
in anycase im getting a respirator no more fucking around with possible CNS damage.
 
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hamhurricane,

I've heard of people using Gamsol OMS, and its MSDS shows:
Hydrotreated heavy naphtha petroleum 64742-48-9 100% 300ppm for an 8 hr work

Their site claims complete purity (because artists often handle it), and 3x slower evaporation than regular turpenoid. And yes, OMS is great beacuse there's no aromatic additives (hexane), which can be a lot more hazardous. An evap test has showed it to be clean.

This type may be better than your average turpenoid, for the slow evap (and purity). The only downside is how long it takes to evaporate. I've heard techniques to workaround this, such as a crockpot on low with an evaporation dish resting on top, with a fan aimed directly at the plate. aimed at and close to a nearby window.
 
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oderless mineral spirits is just refined petroleum distillates. its mostly hexane. which does make it safer then naptha because naptha is an ever cruder petroleum distillate containing more aromatic hyrdrocarbons.

Their site claims complete purity (because artists often handle it), and 3x slower evaporation than regular turpenoid. And yes, OMS is great beacuse there's no aromatic additives (hexane), which can be a lot more hazardous. An evap test has showed it to be clean.
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i think you mean benzene? hexane is a straight chain hyrdrocarbon.

and just because this stuff is called odorless by no means is it thereby safe to inhale. when working with solvents you want them to evaporate easier so they are less likely to be in your final product (however hexane is safer then aromatic hydrocarbons yes, evaporates nicely so if your using the same OMS im thinking of it should work good). however indole alkaloids are not that soluble in hexane so warm solutions will help with solubility.

turpenoid judging by its name is probaly some kind of monoterpenoid compound or mixture (like limonene). they do not say what is in it so i would not trust them (i only looked for it online what does it say on the can please if anyone has it?).
 
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The can only says "CONTAINS: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES"
i have not tried to evap it yet, i will try to test it tonight, but in a dream i knew a guy who had a dish of it in the freezer that was full of crystals and looked a lot cleaner than what was pulled by naptha.
 
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Probly the pharmaceutical maoi played a role. Even the reversible ones tend to be stronger as I understand it, and I've heard reports of people taking dmt on irreversible pharmaceutical maois and having their minds blown for weeks at a time.
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Seriously? A week long DMT voyage. That sounds kind of intense.
 
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hamhurricane, try running a search for the product name's MSDS online. i know the company has to provide such information in some form.

i think you mean benzene? hexane is a straight chain hyrdrocarbon.

and just because this stuff is called odorless by no means is it thereby safe to inhale. when working with solvents you want them to evaporate easier so they are less likely to be in your final product (however hexane is safer then aromatic hydrocarbons yes, evaporates nicely so if your using the same OMS im thinking of it should work good). however indole alkaloids are not that soluble in hexane so warm solutions will help with solubility.
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yes, i did mean benzene, thanks for catching that.

it's true that you would never want a wet solvent remaining in your product! you should always evaporate completely, and then some (just to be sure). so yes, with a slower evaporation rate you will need to spend extra time making sure it has all dissipated.

but that's where the health risks decrease with OMS. when working around it less will get into the air that you could breath. when evaporating, the air will be less saturated with solvent fumes. but don't count on aromatic compounds to tell you that the air is not safe to breath!!

you should ALWAYS separate yourself from TOUCHING or BREATHING solvents!! who knows what mutagenic symptoms you could develop, or how many brain cells will be deprived of oxygen!
 
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ill look for the MSDS later when i get a chance, this turpenoid brand is widely available at all art supply stores in the city where a friend lives.

quick question: many people on this forum recommend heating the solvent because it increases the DMTs solubility during pulls, but if you are giving the layers a couple of hours to separate the solvent will no doubt cool to room temperature. does this nullify the gains provided by the hot solvent pull? must the collection be done while the solvent is still hot?

also i have heard of these famed week long DMT trips but they are usually attributed to some unknown alkaloid in phalaris grass, never have i heard of MHRB producing such a effect.
 
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quick question: many people on this forum recommend heating the solvent because it increases the DMTs solubility during pulls, but if you are giving the layers a couple of hours to separate the solvent will no doubt cool to room temperature. does this nullify the gains provided by the hot solvent pull? must the collection be done while the solvent is still hot?
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Good question. My first guess would be to assume that the DMT would not want to migrate back into the basified solution once it has found the NP, but I'm not sure. In fact, I'd really like to know the answer to this one. This may be difficult to answer unless we know of a chemical theory to guide us, as more time allowed for a pull would obvious pull more impurities as well.
 
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quick question: many people on this forum recommend heating the solvent because it increases the DMTs solubility during pulls, but if you are giving the layers a couple of hours to separate the solvent will no doubt cool to room temperature. does this nullify the gains provided by the hot solvent pull? must the collection be done while the solvent is still hot?
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Ok really it depends on the solvent the solute how they interact with each other and how much of each is present. think of it this way. if you have dmt crystals like lets say 100mg. and you slowly add room temperature naptha (or any solvent) to it. depending on how much volume it takes to dissolve it will tell you something about the solubility. then do the same with higher and lower temperatures.


Good question. My first guess would be to assume that the DMT would not want to migrate back into the basified solution once it has found the NP
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DMT would rather be in most solvents you expose it too rather then high pH water. you can also determine the solubility of DMT in basified water the same way as above.

Finally if you really are just so curious you can set out to determine the partition co efficient of DMT between the two phases. this would involve adding a known amount of DMT to both solutions and violently mix them and let the phases settle for days at least until equillibrium is reached at a set temperature and then quantifying how much went into each phase .

but this is really not necessary.

if your method works and you are happy with the time, the amount of solvents, and yields i wouldn't worry about it.


more time allowed for a pull would obvious pull more impurities as well.
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this also depends on the solvent and the plants you are using etc. it also depends on how fast things degrade when exposed to the solvents and the pH's you are using which could create new compounds which could be deemed an impurity. it also depends on how you clean your final product. recrystallizing is a very nice way to get rid of alot of impurities and DMT is forunatly an easy molecule to crystallize.
 
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I think the part I read about the week long trip may have actually said "flashbacks" or something to that effect, anyway it kept on coming back to them for quite awhile, as I recall. But that was all cuz of the irreversible pharmaceutical maoi they were on, which completely destroyed their mao enzymes, so they had no way of breaking down the dmt once it was in their body.

Sounds kinda tempting, doesn't it :twisted:

As for hexane, I thought that stuff was still pretty toxic. You may be right, if you gotta use a petrochem solvent, that stuff may be the way to go. But DEFINATELY still get that mask first... in the mean time, Swim will continue working on a way to get freebase from natural solvents.

As far as heating is concerned, I think heating is more likely to pull more impurities that setting for days. If you wanna know what you're missing by not heating, do pulls at room temp until no more comes out, then do a heated pull. Crock pots can be used as a warm water bath to keep a soln jar warm (just don't seal it, cuz pressure will make it xplode). Others have simply added more base to create heat.
 
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