Solvents in Australia

[DMTPanda]

Taking a stroll through a local Bunnings the other day, SWIM could really only find Shellite and Xylene as solvents for extraction.
Shellite leaving an oily residue and Xylene stinking like a major chemical spill, are there any other solvents that could be suggested to SWIM?

Toluene I believe is highly carcinogenic.

D-Limonene sounds ideal for its smell, safety, and pulling ability however I'm pretty sure it's not an available product in Australia.

Are there any other suggestions of what products that can be used for extracting Obtusifolia?

 

[dazzB]

This is a 2nd go. I didnt not use anything to put a drop on the glass - in case it was contaminates on the device.

Photo numbering:
201 - drop placed in the middle. edge is hard to see.
202 - easier to see the drop here. edge just beginning to evaporate.
203 - further evaporation. there is a fainter film here.
204 - drop still evaporating.
205 & 206 - drop evaporated. faint film.

Is this acceptable or not?

 

[dazzB]

Diggers shellite never passes evap tests. It will be especially apparent just how much gunk it leaves behind when you do a proper freeze precip. You can still use it for initial freebase extraction to get the bulk of the dmt from your starting material but you must be able to perform a re-x with a clean solvent on this later. This is where one would switch to clean heptane as you only need a small volume for this step.

Heptane is a bit harder to obtain. I see some Labs sell it.

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[MrAcuminata]

I'm pretty paranoid when it comes to ordering any chemicals from the web, it's probably fine to do so but I'm not one to want my name linked to anything I buy, that's just me though. Finding a trusted friend to order it who otherwise does not part take in this kind of activity would be ideal. And unfortunately, anything left behind on an evap test at all, including a tiny faint circle just on the outline of the drops is indeed a fail.

 

[dazzB]

I'm pretty paranoid when it comes to ordering any chemicals from the web, it's probably fine to do so but I'm not one to want my name linked to anything I buy, that's just me though. Finding a trusted friend to order it who otherwise does not part take in this kind of activity would be ideal. And unfortunately, anything left behind on an evap test at all, including a tiny faint circle just on the outline of the drops is indeed a fail.

Im the same about ordering unusual items or items that are suspicious on the web.
I did order the Sydney Solvent Shellite x55 on amazon. Im hoping this is not a suspicious item. It is something necessary for cleaning.
But buying Heptane would seem a little too suspicious to me. So I need to find a clean non-polar to do the cleaning job or some other way to produce the crystals.

 

[dazzB]

I'm pretty paranoid when it comes to ordering any chemicals from the web, it's probably fine to do so but I'm not one to want my name linked to anything I buy, that's just me though. Finding a trusted friend to order it who otherwise does not part take in this kind of activity would be ideal. And unfortunately, anything left behind on an evap test at all, including a tiny faint circle just on the outline of the drops is indeed a fail.

Do you know why the film is unsafe? IS it carcinogenic, poisonous, flamable?

 

[dazzB]

Diggers shellite never passes evap tests. It will be especially apparent just how much gunk it leaves behind when you do a proper freeze precip. You can still use it for initial freebase extraction to get the bulk of the dmt from your starting material but you must be able to perform a re-x with a clean solvent on this later. This is where one would switch to clean heptane as you only need a small volume for this step.

Ive been able to produce some crystals with the Diggers Shellite. Given that this is unsafe, could I salt it using fumaric acid and clean it that way. Then convert it back using the fumarate to freebase conversion?

Any tips on where to get fumaric acid that's not fishy?

 

[dazzB]

Ive been able to produce some crystals with the Diggers Shellite. Given that this is unsafe, could I salt it using fumaric acid and clean it that way. Then convert it back using the fumarate to freebase conversion?

Any tips on where to get fumaric acid that's not fishy?

I dont think it will look too fishy getting it from here.
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[dazzB]

If you have clean shellite or heptane, then you can skip toluene altogether. Just dissolve the bark in a lye solution, mix with shellite, then pull and freeze. You can find teks on the Nexus that describe how to do this. As far as I'm aware, if you want freebase but you don't have shellite, then you will need to use the fumarate to freebase conversion method I referenced earlier. You could use the Q21Q21 tek or the BLAB tek if you don't have shellite.

I think I may need to move to the Q21Q21 or BLAB tek using d-Limonene.
The BLAB looks simpler than the Q21Q21.
Have you done either of these teks using powdered Acacia Acuminata root bark instead of MHRB?

 

[MrAcuminata]

I do believe it is relatively easy to obtain fumuric acid in Aus, sydney solvents may even stock it. I remember seeing they stock hydrochloric. I'm not sure how those teks would go using Acuminata, I've not tried them. As far as shellite impurities, they can range from carcinogenic to neurotoxic. According to google trace amounts of benzene (carcinogenic) can get into the final product. Then there's hydrocarbon contaminents (neurotoxic) that may make it in from the manufacturing process, as well as possibly sulfur and oils. There's also water contamination. You don't want any of this stuff in your body. You can always distill your solvents if you have to gear and the know how though.

 

[dazzB]

I do believe it is relatively easy to obtain fumuric acid in Aus, sydney solvents may even stock it. I remember seeing they stock hydrochloric. I'm not sure how those teks would go using Acuminata, I've not tried them. As far as shellite impurities, they can range from carcinogenic to neurotoxic. According to google trace amounts of benzene (carcinogenic) can get into the final product. Then there's hydrocarbon contaminents (neurotoxic) that may make it in from the manufacturing process, as well as possibly sulfur and oils. There's also water contamination. You don't want any of this stuff in your body. You can always distill your solvents if you have to gear and the know how though.

Thanks MrA
I dont have the gear to distill.
Do you think salting it using fumaric acid and then convert it back using the fumarate to freebase conversion would clean up those impurities?

 

[reun]

Thanks MrA
I dont have the gear to distill.
Do you think salting it using fumaric acid and then convert it back using the fumarate to freebase conversion would clean up those impurities?

If you are going with the fumarate to freebase conversion, then you don't even need to worry about the impurities introduced by a low-quality solvent, you can use d-limonene for this

 

[reun]

D-Limonene sounds ideal for its smell, safety, and pulling ability however I'm pretty sure it's not an available product in Australia.

It is very much available, and you can buy it via Amazon

 

[MrAcuminata]

Thanks MrA
I dont have the gear to distill.
Do you think salting it using fumaric acid and then convert it back using the fumarate to freebase conversion would clean up those impurities?

Correct. This process is commonly known as backsalting and it is very effective for seperating impurities as well as plant fats and oils etc. D limo is easy to get, plenty of stores have it, try to get food grade if possible.

 

[reun]

Correct. This process is commonly known as backsalting and it is very effective for seperating impurities as well as plant fats and oils etc. D limo is easy to get, plenty of stores have it, try to get food grade if possible.

I'm curious: do you think it's easier or in some way better to use a low-quality shellite and then backsalt, or just go with a method that does not require freeze-precipitation in the first place? I've seen other people discuss this, but I never really understood the point. If you have clean shellite, then you don't need to backsalt it. And if you are resorting to a fumarate to freebase conversion, then you don't need shellite at all.

 

[MrAcuminata]

I'm curious: do you think it's easier or in some way better to use a low-quality shellite and then backsalt, or just go with a method that does not require freeze-precipitation in the first place? I've seen other people discuss this, but I never really understood the point. If you have clean shellite, then you don't need to backsalt it. And if you are resorting to a fumarate to freebase conversion, then you don't need shellite at all.

I think it depends if you're using mimosa or acacia. I use xylene to pull from the first basic soup of acacia because it pulls alkaloids better from soup, then I backsalt from there so that I can get crystal instead of goo. I'm currently storing the freebase that i get from shellite pulling after that until i can obtain either clean shellite (a friend of mine has a still) or heptane for re-x before i use that for leaf infusion.

 

[dazzB]

If you are going with the fumarate to freebase conversion, then you don't even need to worry about the impurities introduced by a low-quality solvent, you can use d-limonene for this

I was going to try the Fumarates to Freebase - Sodium Carbonate Paste conversion as acetone and sodium carbonate are easy to get. Do you suggest not using this one?

I havent seen one using d-limonene. I'll have a search for that.

 

[dazzB]

If you are going with the fumarate to freebase conversion, then you don't even need to worry about the impurities introduced by a low-quality solvent, you can use d-limonene for this

Are you saying that I can use d-lim instead of the shellite in an a/b tek?
Whats the process from there? Just follow this tek? Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach

 

[reun]

Are you saying that I can use d-lim instead of the shellite in an a/b tek?
Whats the process from there? Just follow this tek? Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach

Yes, exactly. I'm still yet to try it out myself, but here is what I was planning to do, and I already have all the ingredients for it:

• Start with Q21Q21 Tek 1 - Jimjam Party and get to the point where you have collected DMT-infused d-limonene
• At this point switch to BLAB step 4. You can run with BLAB right away, but it's just longer
• When you get to BLAB step 6, you can jump over the Fumarate to Freebase Conversion page -- BLAB tek references this conversion page itself

Just make sure that you have all the ingredients necessary before you start

 

[dazzB]

Yes, exactly. I'm still yet to try it out myself, but here is what I was planning to do, and I already have all the ingredients for it:

• Start with Q21Q21 Tek 1 - Jimjam Party and get to the point where you have collected DMT-infused d-limonene
• At this point switch to BLAB step 4. You can run with BLAB right away, but it's just longer
• When you get to BLAB step 6, you can jump over the Fumarate to Freebase Conversion page -- BLAB tek references this conversion page itself

Just make sure that you have all the ingredients necessary before you start

thanks Reun.
Ive had a look at the steps you suggested here. Let me know how it goes please.
I'll work with my unsafe shellite DMT crystals first, as I now have a good little harvest. Convert to salt to clean it out and then back to freebase.
When the Shellite x55 arrives, I'll see how that evaporates. If its clean I can stick with the standard DMT Handbook a/b tek for now until ive used up my shellites.
Once thats done, I'll jump over to a d-lim method. Seems safer hey.

 

[MrAcuminata]

thanks Reun.
Ive had a look at the steps you suggested here. Let me know how it goes please.
I'll work with my unsafe shellite DMT crystals first, as I now have a good little harvest. Convert to salt to clean it out and then back to freebase.
When the Shellite x55 arrives, I'll see how that evaporates. If its clean I can stick with the standard DMT Handbook a/b tek for now until ive used up my shellites.
Once thats done, I'll jump over to a d-lim method. Seems safer hey.

I'm hoping the Sydney solvents shellite is usable, I've been wanting to make a trip there anyway because they sell lab grade acetone and ipa which can be used for pure leaf infusions and to clean up other goodies besides dmt. Let us know how it goes.