Some Thoughts On DMT

[Dreamlion]

DMT, from my experience, seems to be a predatory ethereal scorpion being, and upon inhaling its essence it digs its pincers into your brain and does what it wants to with you.

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DMT seems to demand respect, nearly bordering on worship, from people.
To me it seems like an oppressive entity exerting some type of authoritarian rule.

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People seem to worship DMT like it is some type of God or something, and to be quite honest this to me is quite unnerving.

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Many seem to associate DMT with mythological religious figures from antiquity, and create false associations between this molecule and deities of fabricated religions.


Thanks for reading.

 

[obliguhl]

and upon inhaling its essence it digs its pincers into your brain and does what it wants to with you.

I've gotten the sense that it wants to "inhale your essence" or experience you.
But i have to disagree with the rest of your statement. DMT does not control me nor do i feel inclined to worship it.

I also never really associated it with any religious figure.

 

[Simply_Me]

Seems to be a similar thread to Anataraxas, maybe you guys could be friends?

 

[changa-blender]

DMT, from my experience, seems to be a predatory ethereal scorpion being, and upon inhaling its essence it digs its pincers into your brain and does what it wants to with you.

By inhaling DMT, you give it's presence permission to enter you. To show you, what it wants to show you, after which it's presence politely leaves you again.
Setting intentions beforehand seems to make a real difference.

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DMT seems to demand respect, nearly bordering on worship, from people.
To me it seems like an oppressive entity exerting some type of authoritarian rule.

It is true, DMT seems to demand respect.
But if it wouldn't, don't you think it would just get 'abused' like any other substance? I'm almost sure, if it wouldn't demand any respect, dmt-nexus wouldn't be what it is today.
You can see it as an oppressive entity exerting authority over you. But you can also address it as a friend. Dance with it, laugh with it, from my experience it has all the humor that is needed.
In no way do I say, I can actually put my finger on what it is, but so can't any other person I've ever known of.

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People seem to worship DMT like it is some type of God or something, and to be quite honest this to me is quite unnerving.

Going from the capabilities and profoundness it can exert on oneself, can you really blame them?
It can give one a sense of 'coming home', of realizing truths, that one has seemingly simply forgotten in their every day reality state of mind, connect one with higher parts of their consciousness and so much beyond.
I can see how being ingrained in this perception of reality for one's entire life and then having come across a molecule with this kind of power, can lead one to 'worship' it.
But I've never heard of anyone 'obeying' it like some religious authority, rather worshipping it with love and respect and I must say. I look up to it as well.

 

[Lowtones]

I think you're personifying a substance too much. A very powerful substance, yes, but it is a tool, not a being in itself.

Whether you think that it's only playing chemicals with your brain or you think that it's a gateway to another universe, DMT itself is just the way to get there. What one does with this tool and how one reacts to it is completely dependent upon the individual. Some say DMT is a mirror. I'm not sure if that metaphor is entirely accurate, but I feel it holds some truth.

 

[Simply_Me]

I think you're personifying a substance too much. A very powerful substance, yes, but it is a tool, not a being in itself.

Whether you think that it's only playing chemicals with your brain or you think that it's a gateway to another universe, DMT itself is just the way to get there. What one does with this tool and how one reacts to it is completely dependent upon the individual. Some say DMT is a mirror. I'm not sure if that metaphor is entirely accurate, but I feel it holds some truth.

I agree with you here Lowtones, my first message was while I was increasing my dose a little at a time trying to "get there" and I "heard" as if two others were talking about me, something like "he's looking outside for something that is already within himself"... It was 100% correct and seemed like something I would have said. Mirroring? Was my real Self looking in on "me"? I do wonder.

What I bring back, the messages I remember, seems to come from a place of compassion. I say more syncronistic than anything. I am learning for sure, going slow, questioning my motives, integrating my experiences, and trying to communicate with others who have experience.

What I am sure of is that I don't know

 

[changa-blender]

I think you're personifying a substance too much. A very powerful substance, yes, but it is a tool, not a being in itself.

From my personal experience, I have the feeling this molecule seems to exist throughout all planes of existence and is able to manifest as it's own intelligence and communicate with people in their sober state.

 

[xss27]

I would agree with the sentiment if you were talking about a plant, say cannabis or Ayahuasca even, something which has form and function in the physical world. DMT is different though, on its own it functions more like a direct key to a physiological/metaphysical lock within our own body-mind.

Never got a sense of a DMT spirit. I have had the feeling of a persona or entity associated with other things, like cannabis for example. With DMT is seemed more like a dimensional thing, which happens to be open to penetration by other intelligent agencies at the same time as your own.

 

[DmnStr8]

DMT, from my experience, seems to be a predatory ethereal scorpion being, and upon inhaling its essence it digs its pincers into your brain and does what it wants to with you.

* * *

DMT seems to demand respect, nearly bordering on worship, from people.
To me it seems like an oppressive entity exerting some type of authoritarian rule.

* * *

People seem to worship DMT like it is some type of God or something, and to be quite honest this to me is quite unnerving.

* * *

Many seem to associate DMT with mythological religious figures from antiquity, and create false associations between this molecule and deities of fabricated religions.


Thanks for reading.

What is your point here? Are you just venting?

I couldn't disagree more with everything you have stated. It's a huge pigeon hole!


Care to add to this thread you started or are you just trolling?

 

[AikyO]

@Lowtones: You should personnify everything in your life. Especially when you ingest it, when it penetrates you.

You are a person.

The tree, the rock and the clouds all person also.

How could it be that what has shaped You over countless eon - what you can only comprehend as eternity - that has been inside and outside of you in the great melting orgy of life on Earth, not be a person?

How could the wind that animates you not be a person?

You are a person and when you look at the world, because it is you that is looking, all is a person. Everything you look at is you, everything you feel is you.

In modern times, man is seperated from nature. From his body and feelings. So he has a belief system where man and nature are seen as seperated and defined.

When man was still in nature - and not spending to much time in high tech tombs - he had a representation of the world where man and nature are not seperated: the thunder has man attributes, a woman can shape the flow of water, and countless over ways to blend ...

This understanding of the world is closer to ego death. The ego melts within the symbols of the subconciouss, the archetypes and nature, where he is but one in a sea of infinite others.

Isolation is the cult of the ego. It's believing in a world where everything is created from one person and not many. Not from interaction of living entities, but from the pain filled mind of one and its trembling hands.

Then, when One is broken, he sees all is alive. He has to die to recognize the life in the world.

So just say "Hello I love You" to your food some time soon

 

[Lowtones]

@Lowtones: You should personnify everything in your life. Especially when you ingest it, when it penetrates you.

You are a person.

The tree, the rock and the clouds all person also.

I agree with this with whole plants, etc. I certainly see plants, forests, mountains, perhaps even something as the wind personified. I disagree with it for chemicals, but who's to say that I'm wrong, or you're wrong? I think if you personify a chemical that you're ingesting and have a negative experience, many (not all) might attribute a negative persona to the chemical itself. In my opinion that is erroneous, as one should be looking in oneself. The human being is the one who decided to ingest it, how did one's attitude/physical condition/mental and spiritual health play into the experience?

Either way, beautiful writing and a fair point

 

[AikyO]

I agree, though I still see the looking into oneself leading to oneness, and so to the personnification of things around us and in us.

I don't think it negates what you can learn from it. It demands awarness of what happens inside of you. But I guess it also mean not being too serious about how you see/represent the whole thing.

By treating thought patterns as living entities, as having a voice of their own, an identity, you allow yourself to interact more easily with them, be more empathic and let them change more profoundly.

I would say using it only as a tool is as much dangerous - beyond that personnification itself can be a tool - and it seems there is some irony in that man is so driven to make his tools always more alive, more 'being'. Eventually it seems as if he wants to fuse with them.

 

[Dreamlion]

DMT, from my experience, seems to be a predatory ethereal scorpion being, and upon inhaling its essence it digs its pincers into your brain and does what it wants to with you.

* * *

DMT seems to demand respect, nearly bordering on worship, from people.
To me it seems like an oppressive entity exerting some type of authoritarian rule.

* * *

People seem to worship DMT like it is some type of God or something, and to be quite honest this to me is quite unnerving.

* * *

Many seem to associate DMT with mythological religious figures from antiquity, and create false associations between this molecule and deities of fabricated religions.


Thanks for reading.

What is your point here? Are you just venting?

I couldn't disagree more with everything you have stated. It's a huge pigeon hole!


Care to add to this thread you started or are you just trolling?

I explained my point already, maybe you need to re-read my post.
These are just some universal conclusions I came to about DMT.
It's fine if you want to disagree, that's the whole point of Internet forums.
I've already added plenty to this thread, maybe you should consider contributing something meaningful to it.
It seems to me like you're the one doing the trolling, not me.
Cheers.