Some very weird 'hyperspace' dreams

[Gone-and-Back]

The other night, I had a very odd dream in which I had visited hyperspace. I have not used spice in about 4 months now, and have not had any drugs in my system for about a whole month. However, I had the most realistic dream of traveling through hyperspace! I dont know what to make of it.

It had started out as me and some friends just hanging out having a good time. Next thing I know, we all experience this fractal looking tunnel open up in the room that we are sitting in. Now being an experienced traveler, this is where my mind was somewhat jolted into the sense that, 'hey, I must be dreaming. I cant do this stuff anymore, so this has to be a dream!'

When that happened, I was able to control what I did next. I urged my friends that it was ok, and to walk towards it. That we would not be harmed. I was the first to step over the barrier of the tunnel, and felt myself rapidly falling through this multi-dimensional tunnel filled with fractals of the most amazing nature, and some weird alien type beings. I got this feeling that I do when I smoke as well, and my mind state completely changed into that of when I am under the effects of any psych.

At this point, I was still aware that I was dreaming, and I was also now all alone and not able to see the people that were originally with me in this dream. I continued to fall, while viewing all these wonderful things that were presented to me. Some creatures that were there tried to communicate with me, but I did not wholly understand their language and can not give an accurate description of what was said.

After a while, I hit the bottom. The bottom of this tunnel was very much like the rest of it, filled with very complex geometric patterns and strange creatures. I felt the need to explore, so I made myself walk around in this new area, which seemed like a never ending cave of some sort. I kept exploring, being greeted by these creatures at every turn. Again, I could not understand what they were telling me, but I got this sense that everything was ok and they accepted me in their realm.

I did not get very much further then this, due to the fact that my dog ended up jumping onto my bed and licking me in the face, which woke me up. When I awoke, I jolted upright sweating profusely, and still somewhat felt like I was under the effects of DMT or another psych. It was very jarring, and I could not for the life of me figure out if I had actually woken up or not because of this, at least not for a minute or two of laying there trying to figure out what had happened.

Now I know that people will dream about things that they have been thinking about/things that are troubling or present in their life. However, like I said I have not been using anything like this for a while now, and have not really been thinking of doing so either.

Has anyone else had experiences like this? It was just too real to push off as 'just a dream'. I have also been having some very weird dreams besides this one that have been coming true in real life, or that I find myself being able to control. This has never happened to me before until I stopped using everything that I did, including marijuana.

 

[Sykosis]

I found I started having strange dreams to after I began using. I was the type of person who NEVER dreamed, or at least didn't remember them. I think that DMT awakens that part of your mind and causes you to have more vivid or even lucid dreams. It may take time to integrate with these dream, hence the delay with there appearance.

I learned to get use to them and almost learn from them as much as I did DMT itself. Dreams can be a way to see once true feeling if you know how to read them.

 

[SpaceSeek]

I also had a similar dream that involved visiting an altered state of consciousness in a altered state of consciousness.

The dream started out with my mother, sister, and myself watching TV. I take a look at the television screen and see a "being" cleaning/remodeling it's fractal environment by merging, transforming, and cycling itself into the walls and floors. I look over at my family and say "Do you guys see this?!" they look unmoved, so I continue watching.

I look back over at TV and see a different scene is taking place.

A scientific apparatus full of green transparent liquid is pumping itself into human bodies from a different reality. The "being" is involved in the project and the dream fades.


Dreams are weird.

 

[spinCycle]

This has never happened to me before until I stopped using everything that I did, including marijuana.

Can't speak to the specifics of your dream, though it sounds intense, but many people find that their dreams become very intense, realistic and just plain weird after quitting MJ. It is quite a common thing.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

This has never happened to me before until I stopped using everything that I did, including marijuana.

Can't speak to the specifics of your dream, though it sounds intense, but many people find that their dreams become very intense, realistic and just plain weird after quitting MJ. It is quite a common thing.

Do you know why this happens?

Sykosis, I was one who never really dreamed or remembered my dreams either. That is one reason as to why this seems to strange to me. To go from no dreams, to intense life like dreams that I can control, is just plain weird to me.

 

[spinCycle]

No, from a brain chemistry point of view I don't know why. I had one of the few lucid dreams I remember shortly after taking a MJ break.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Well I know that when under the influence of any drug, even sleeping medications, your brain is blocked from entering REM, which is when dreams occur. When under the influence of any substance, your brain actually goes into a coma like state, called a Stage 4 Delta. This is where there is almost no brain waves, just enough to keep you alive and everything functioning properly.

I learned this in a psychology class I had taken, and this would explain why there are no dreams when using MJ or anything else. Especially if falling asleep under the effects still.

However, it does not explain as to why one experiences lucid dreams or anything like that very quickly after stopping use, especially when that person, like myself, has never had lucid dreams my whole life as far as I know. It for sure does not explain as to why I was having dreams involving hyperspace, or altered states of consciousness...

 

[sØrce]

Interesting posts.. I actually tried to lucid dream myself into a psychedelic state last night, but wasn't able to... I have a few things interfering with my dreaming focus at the moment, but I can usually lucid dream for sustained periods, changing landscapes, traveling places. I'll keep trying.

Marijuana HUGELY increases melatonin during the waking-state, by levels of up to 4000%!!! People have believed all along that the psychoactive effects of THC were responsible for the high, however it is now being speculated that the melatonin surge may be responsible for much of the effects...

Of all the known ways to stimulate melatonin production, none is more dramatic than smoking marijuana. Marijuana stimulates production of a prostaglandin called PGE2, which may relate to its ability to stimulate melatonin production. Italian researchers discovered that when eight men smoked a cigarette containing the active ingredient in marijuana, THC (tetrahydrocannabinol), they had dramatically higher melatonin levels twenty minutes later. After two hours, their melatonin levels were 4,000 percent higher than at baseline!(11)

The fact that smoking marijuana is accompanied by a dramatic increase in melatonin production may explain some of the drug's positive effects. A 1995 article in The Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the hallucinogen is being used to counteract the toxicity of chemotherapy, treat migraines, reduce intraocular pressure, minimize pain, treat menstrual cramps, and moderate wasting syndrome in AIDS patients.(12) Melatonin has been shown to ameliorate each and every one of these conditions.

Smoking marijuana as a vehicle to increase melatonin production, however, may not be a good idea. The increase is so marked that it is not likely to be beneficial, especially if one smokes marijuana during the daytime, when melatonin levels are normally so low that they are just above the level of detection. Causing such a dramatic surge in melatonin levels in the daytime could phase-shift your circadian rhythms or interfere with your health in other as yet unknown ways.

http://members.iowatelecom.net/sharkhaus/marijuana_melatonin.html#11

Lissoni, P., Resentini, M., and Fraschini, F. "Effects of Tetrahydrocannabinol on Melatonin Secretion in Man." Hormone and Metabolic Research 1986; 77-78. At baseline, the mean value of their melatonin levels was 21.3 pg/ml. Two hours later, it was 904 pg/ml.

Notice the part in bold.. Ever smoke a lot early in the day, run out and have insomnia? When the circadian rhythm is disrupted, REM sleep is sacrificed (REM sleep correlates with melatonin release) and dreaming is disrupted. Thusly, when daytime melatonin is not a factor, nighttime melatonin levels become significant by comparison, and more vivid dreams occur.

I personally feel it's all relative- if you have 4000% the melatonin during the day, how will your body even recognize the normal 1/40th amount that is released during dreaming? And vice-versa... That, or the melatonin that is released was meant to be your nighttime amount, was floating around somewhere waiting to be your dream dose, and you already took it all. (my science is shoddy, I know, these are just my theories)

I actually discussed this with pre-med students 15 years ago, and asked them if the melatonin disruption (from smoking marijuana) could impair normal development (puberty) through this mechanism, as melatonin is also the signalling hormone for the endocrine system to produce other hormones, like testosterone. They said yes, and told me to go to med. school, but I was pretty busy getting stoned. :?

On another note, there's a thread somewhere on here about a fellow who dreamed he smoked DMT, and he broke through, and woke up halfway through, and he was still tripping, although not in hyperspace, but fully hallucinating for 10 minutes or so... I'm not so good at using the search engine on this site, so maybe someone else can drum it up. Anyway, cool topic.

So far I found only this thread: During a Lucid Dream? Smoking

I actually hadn't read this one, where a fellow says he smoked DMT during lucid dreaming prior to ever smoking in "real life" and it worked! (I haven't smoked DMT yet)

I just hope I don't have to dream I'm doing an extraction. "Hey wait these are the woodchips for the rose garden!" :surprised

 

[Gone-and-Back]

That is some very interesting information Sorce, and it all makes a lot of sense looking back on it. Even when taking melatonin for sleeping purposes after smoking for a long time, it never really did what it should of done. That would be explained by the brain being use to those higher levels I guess.

 

[sØrce]

Yeah gone-and-back, if you search "Will melatonin help with marijuana insomnia?" people will agree with your conclusion and offer empirical evidence that it didn't work for them either...

I tried it too.. usually I'd fall asleep for a few minutes then be wide awake.

What did work for me was only smoking a hit or 2 a bit before bed.

 

[adam]

Since using dmt I have noticed I have dreams where I seem to visit hyperspace. Also my dreams become extremely lucid and vivid, I often get that feeling of my dreams being realer than real life.

Once in a dream I had this fractal creature appear and speak to me in my dream, it seemed to tell me that vaporizing dmt is not the only way to contact entities, once aware of them you can contact them in your dreams. I would be curious if anyone else has experienced this.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Once in a dream I had this fractal creature appear and speak to me in my dream, it seemed to tell me that vaporizing dmt is not the only way to contact entities, once aware of them you can contact them in your dreams. I would be curious if anyone else has experienced this.

I agree with this happening. Maybe that was what these creatures/entities were trying to tell me in my dream. For some reason it just was not getting through. Every time I have encountered an entity, their messages seem to not get through to me. I can feel them trying to tell me something, but there is always something that blocks the message from actually reaching me. So I just end up feeling that they are angry or frustrated with me for not listening...I do try to listen though.

 

[adam]

I would recommend keeping a dream journal. Sometimes you don't piece your dreams together until later, memories just fall into place.

Hyperspace dimension melding with the dream dimension is strange, I have had the perception of a portal in my dream connecting to a more fractal energetic realm (seemingly the tryptamine dimension). Its almost as if all these dimensions want to merge/ are merging on a subtle level. This is kind of perplexing since the dmt realm and dream realm are speculated to be one and the same by some. I wonder what the difference is between the dream realm and the dmt realm from a neuroscience perspective. It seems like since I have had the experience of the dmt realm a portal may literally have opened in my mind, that is now accessible in dreams, like my brain is capable of opening this portal in the depths of sleep.

Dreamwork is something I have been slowly getting into, especially when I take breaks from psychedelics, and I have to say that it can be more illuminating than dmt trips at times, since it seems to couple dmt realm with my subconcious in a way that wasn't accessible pre-dmt. its more of an auto dmt trip, where my attentive normal consciousness is shielded or imbedded in the dream, this is nice since dmt can be abrasive at times.

 

[sØrce]

I snipped this from the Lucid dreaming thread so if it seems a bit poorly arranged I apologize.

Two nights ago I was dreaming when I found myself flying through a hyperspace! Colors were predominantly blue and green, with some yellow pink and purples. I was within a place that I sensed was very much alive, and on the perimeters everywhere was a kind of life that was spongy and familiar as aquatic. Closer to my field of vision were floating polyhedrons of various sizes and distances with straight extensions that were like tentacles, but not flexing. Single units of the life that I was flying within, I was able to know directly somehow... The general shape was like this but the whole thing had a starfish or octopus-like nature. It sort of blub-blubbed but wasn't really active.

So all that happened in the dream was I said, "WOW I MUST BE DREAMING I'M ON DMT!!!"

FAIL. I woke up completely from the dream and sat up in my bed. I was super-excited though, I've never ever dreamed I was in a hyperspace. I've flown, I've not been under water or many other unusual states during dreaming.

The conclusion I came to yesterday is that it's pretty pointless for me to intend to dream I've smoked DMT, when dreams give one the freedom to experience anything. Why connect it to an act? Dream of hyperspaces, then contact with intelligent beings instead. Intend to connect with a higher power if that's what I'm seeking. Dreaming I smoked DMT is like visiting The Land of Oz and then getting hung up on the idea of tornados, or the "man behind the curtain," if you can follow those analogies. Intending to dream of hallucinations is like wanting to hang around with the lollipop kids when the Wizard has the heart, brains and courage. Anyway dumb analogies but whatever.

The fact that I've never smoked DMT makes it even more pointless to connect dreaming to that.

Since this happened I decided I want to dream about what is on the other side of the vortex of light I see when I'm in a super-deep K-hole, which at the time of my "hallucination" I know to be the tunnel of light that is composed of all the souls of the deceased returning "home". I wanted to go into there but wasn't allowed. It was enough to just levitate on its perimeter and marvel at the beauty and serenity, but "what's on the other side?" I think I know already but want to be surrounded by it like some kind of homesickness feeling.

Smoalk Moar/Dream On =)