Sourcing Question

[iamdave]

Hi!
I'm new here, trying to figure out how I get started on this journey.

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Do you guys think I'd be putting myself at risk by placing a small MHRB order with my credit card and having it shipped to my real address? It seems like if I'm not ordering enough to potentially distribute product then even if some authority did notice they wouldn't be willing to spend the money and man-hours it would take to investigate me. But I don't know. So I'm asking.

 

[billydgator]

I think it might be against the rules to even mention anything about it.

I would go for it.

 

[iamdave]

Is it? I thought it was only against the rules to mention the actual source.

I'm leaning towards going for it. I'll wait a little longer to see what else might be said.
Thanks!

 

[3rdI]

Hello iamdave, welcome to the Nexus:thumb_up:

No talk of sourcing MHRB, there's a thread about it somewhere, try FAQ.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

Even talking about the current legal climate for MHRB, in the abstract?

 

[endlessness]

Please read the attitude page carefully:

Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

I edited the first post to comply with these rules.


Regarding the legality of buying entheogens such as mimosa over the internet, this thread would be relevant:

On the Legal Status of DMT Source Plants in the US (with a discussion of the religious use defense) - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

A lot of people have bought these entheogens over the internet and have had no problem, but being technically illegal, you're in 'their' hands... I know vendors have had problems importing mimosa and got to trial due to it (like the BBB case), but not sure about small purchases. There is at least one case of people of someone claiming having legal problems from importing mimosa, no idea how true the story is:

Importing mimosa hostilis WARNING - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

This did not happen to me. I simply reposted it. Quote: In early Sept 2012 I ordered 1.7 kilos MHRBP to my home address. About a month later it arrived. The supplier had the order drop shipped to

www.shroomery.org

I know some cases for importing mimosa have happened in germany and canada:

Mimosa related raids in germany - Coalition for Entheogenic Liberty - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Canadian Police Seize 120kg of 'DMT' (assumed to be mhrb), One Arrest - Coalition for Entheogenic Liberty - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Check the CEL subforum here in the Nexus for probably more info on such cases.

Maybe smaller amounts would be less risky, but still technically illegal so, better not buy anything from outside your country. There's plenty of other plants that are sold in ethnobotanical related stores or better yet, can be grown or can be found in nature which contain DMT, such as different acacias, desmanthus and so on.

 

[iamdave]

Thanks for the information! I will read through these things.

I apologize for my faux pas. Talk about buying live plants is still acceptable though, yes?

 

[dreamer042]

Talk about buying live plants is still acceptable though, yes?

Yes, that's correct

 

[iamdave]

Talk about buying live plants is still acceptable though, yes?

Yes, that's correct

Good deal.

There's plenty of other plants that are sold in ethnobotanical related stores or better yet, can be grown or can be found in nature which contain DMT, such as different acacias, desmanthus and so on.

So, if I may ask, is the reason that people seek out the plant-matter-which-shall-remain-unnamed because it has the highest concentrations of DMT, is the easiest to extract from or just because it's popular and it doesn't really matter which plants one uses?

 

[endlessness]

It was just the main consistently high-yielding plant that people knew about, and it was available, so the whole snow-ball fed on itself and it became almost the only DMT source for a while....

But there are several other plants that are very good DMT sources. Acacia confusa is one of them, actually so are several acacia sources. Check here for example. One could also extract DMT from leaf sources such as Diploterys cabrerana (or Psychotria viridis, though that seems more variable) or also there are other less known sources but which seem very promising and can probably be found in the wild in many places such as Desmanthus illinoensis or leptolobus.

It's all about you taking the initiative and going for something different. Think about it, it doesn't only serve for you, but information on successes (or failures) help out the whole community. The more we rely on a single plant, the more probably it will be unsustainably harvested and will call legal attention. The more we branch out, the more we deepen our relationship with these plants, help others, help with sustainability, avoid legal problems and prevent future control by regulatory agencies and customs.

Buying from ethnobotanical suppliers is ok as a short term measure from a personal vantage point, but better is if we also try to grow plants ourselves (for those who have a space), and/or try to find plants naturally growing in our area that contain these wanted tryptamines.

 

[iamdave]

Thanks! I will continue researching and learning. It would be nice to acquire some raw plant material for the sake of expediency but I want to grow a variety of entheogens in my garden in the long run anyway and I can be patient if I must.

As an aside, is an ethnobotanist anyone who grows entheogens or is formal training implied by that title?

 

[endlessness]

I think ethnobotanist involves studying the relationship of humans with plants (like studying different cultures etc), not just growing plants yourself.. In any case I guess a lot of people here could call themselves 'amateur ethnobotanists'... Its funny though that probably a lot of people here know more of plants and cultures than many scholars and supposed-experts

 

[iamdave]

Its funny though that probably a lot of people here know more of plants and cultures than many scholars and supposed-experts

A lot of the people here have knowledge that didn't come from books, I'd wager.