Spice and medications

[headspacehere216]

I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and am currently managing my condition with medication. I take Depakote, Hydroxyzine, Prezosin, and Klonopin as part of my treatment plan. I want to ensure I am taking these medications safely and effectively. While Also Partaking In spice I hear it's really bad To mix these kind of meds but I have took in both heroic doses Of psilocybin And cid But I can't seem To break through And I think the meds definitely are a factor My question is That if I Smoke before I take my meds would I have a full breakthrough experience And before anybody answers I know it's a dumb question to ask about The The klonopin As this is definitely Going to weakin The experience With that being said These prescriptions Build in your system over time But if I just smoke before I take them Would I be OK I know it's not really safe to be doing anyway I just would like to know if anyone else has done this or prescribed/Diagnosed With this Type of condition I just want to be as safe as possible any information would be greatly appreciated...... Also I would like to mention That I was Taking Hallucinogenic substances Way before I found out I was bipolar and had PTSD In anxiety But never had any bad experience But the meds make me wonder If I'll be OK..... I know skipping them For a day doesn't totally cancel Then out Of the equation As they do build up over time and I have been taking them for a considerably Long while

 

[Nydex]

I'm sorry to hear you've been diagnosed thus and are struggling to manage this condition. I hope it gets better in the future.

I know it's not really safe to be doing anyway

You have your answer here. In this community, one of our most important pillars is safe and responsible use. It's tragic when consumption of psychedelics leads to a bad outcome for someone, and beyond the impact it has on that person's circle of friends and family, it also has a negative impact on the psychedelic scene in general and the potential for research work being done in that direction.

So naturally as a forum that is focused on such affairs, you will not get an approval here considering the risks at hand. Please be safe and responsible

 

[headspacehere216]

I'm sorry to hear you've been diagnosed thus and are struggling to manage this condition. I hope it gets better in the future.

You have your answer here. In this community, one of our most important pillars is safe and responsible use. It's tragic when consumption of psychedelics leads to a bad outcome for someone, and beyond the impact it has on that person's circle of friends and family, it also has a negative impact on the psychedelic scene in general and the potential for research work being done in that direction.

So naturally as a forum that is focused on such affairs, you will not get an approval here considering the risks at hand. Please be safe and responsible

I appreciate your concern and kindness my friend thank you for commenting back and I really appreciate you wishing you the best your awesome spirit this means a lot seriously

 

[blig-blug]

A safety note: even before you take your meds, you already have a high blood level of them. For example, one day after a single dose of valproate (depakote) you'll still have about 25% of the initial dose in you, and after taking it for many days, the level 24h after your last dose will be even higher. So you can't assume that by taking something before your meds you will avoid interactions.

Hang in there. At one point I was diagnosed the same as you (later changed to BPD), and put on a lot of medication. In the end, the diagnosis seems to have been wrong, as I have fully recovered and need no medication. Abstaining from psychedelics for a few years was helpful to me, psychedelics are inherently destabilizing and I wasn't stable enough. I can't know what's best for you, but I would recommend you to give it a try to abstain for a few months and see what happens.

 

[Nydex]

In the end, the diagnosis seems to have been wrong

That's insane and so, so sad to hear, that you've been put on a ton of meds based on an incorrect diagnosis...did you pursue legal action against the medical personnel that diagnosed you this way? Regardless if it's lack of experience or just willful ignorance, this could've turned out so much worse for you at no cost for them...glad you got better in the end.

 

[blig-blug]

That's insane and so, so sad to hear, that you've been put on a ton of meds based on an incorrect diagnosis

The problem is that these diagnoses are symptom-based, and I did check all the symptoms at the time, at least for BPD. However it's been already 9 years that I'm stable, and 6 without any meds whatsoever. So in retrospective it can be concluded that it was wrong.

The psychiatrist that gave me that diagnosis was terrible, he was very focused on the diagnostic label and ended me putting on very high doses of many meds at the same time. There was a period where I had to go back to live with my parents because I couldn't really function, it was difficult to even walk. Eventually something in my mind reacted and I refused to go again with him, it was difficult because my mind was extremely clouded and I couldn't really think.
The next psychiatrist I went to didn't care that much about labels, and from the beginning told me that he thought I could eventually have a more or less normal life and that I needed therapy more than meds. He had to reduce the meds relatively fast, and unfortunately that triggered an episode of mania, the only one I've ever had. It lasted for some months and led to many regrettable choices, but I got out of it.
Finally that psychiatrist referred me to a trauma-focused therapist (EMDR, I had been doing CBT up to that point) and that really was the beginning of recovery.
Those years were very difficult and filled with interpersonal problems, suicide attempts, and all kinds of bad stuff.

So, @headspacehere216 , I can understand part of how you feel (I'm sure other parts not, as everyone is different). And I think it's possible that you may find stability too. Maybe with meds, maybe without. But it would likely be helpful to give up psychedelics for a while. You can always go back to them.

 

[headspacehere216]

A safety note: even before you take your meds, you already have a high blood level of them. For example, one day after a single dose of valproate (depakote) you'll still have about 25% of the initial dose in you, and after taking it for many days, the level 24h after your last dose will be even higher. So you can't assume that by taking something before your meds you will avoid interactions.

Hang in there. At one point I was diagnosed the same as you (later changed to BPD), and put on a lot of medication. In the end, the diagnosis seems to have been wrong, as I have fully recovered and need no medication. Abstaining from psychedelics for a few years was helpful to me, psychedelics are inherently destabilizing and I wasn't stable enough. I can't know what's best for you, but I would recommend you to give it a try to abstain for a few months and see what happens.

Thank you for the feedback. That's why I said in the thread. I know this doesn't eliminate them out of the equation but I understand your concern and I appreciate you very much. Thank you

 

[Transform]

putting on very high doses of many meds at the same time. There was a period where I had to go back to live with my parents because I couldn't really function, it was difficult to even walk.

smh - if you can't walk because of prescribed meds - well, screw those meds*, it ain't worth it. Props to you for breaking free and getting so far "on your own two feet"…

*not medical advice!

 

[headspacehere216]

The problem is that these diagnoses are symptom-based, and I did check all the symptoms at the time, at least for BPD. However it's been already 9 years that I'm stable, and 6 without any meds whatsoever. So in retrospective it can be concluded that it was wrong.

The psychiatrist that gave me that diagnosis was terrible, he was very focused on the diagnostic label and ended me putting on very high doses of many meds at the same time. There was a period where I had to go back to live with my parents because I couldn't really function, it was difficult to even walk. Eventually something in my mind reacted and I refused to go again with him, it was difficult because my mind was extremely clouded and I couldn't really think.
The next psychiatrist I went to didn't care that much about labels, and from the beginning told me that he thought I could eventually have a more or less normal life and that I needed therapy more than meds. He had to reduce the meds relatively fast, and unfortunately that triggered an episode of mania, the only one I've ever had. It lasted for some months and led to many regrettable choices, but I got out of it.
Finally that psychiatrist referred me to a trauma-focused therapist (EMDR, I had been doing CBT up to that point) and that really was the beginning of recovery.
Those years were very difficult and filled with interpersonal problems, suicide attempts, and all kinds of bad stuff.

So, @headspacehere216 , I can understand part of how you feel (I'm sure other parts not, as everyone is different). And I think it's possible that you may find stability too. Maybe with meds, maybe without. But it would likely be helpful to give up psychedelics for a while. You can always go back to them.

Thank you

smh - if you can't walk because of prescribed meds - well, screw those meds*, it ain't worth it. Props to you for breaking free and getting so far "on your own two feet"…

*not medical advice!

Appreciate you