So I was doing the lazy man tech ended up having a copious amount fluid because I wasn't the one that made the actual initial mixtures. In an effort to boil down some of the fluid inadvertently the crock pot that I'm using has a small amount of naptha on top of the soup. I'm curious what happens to the spice that had been in the naptha from previous attempted pulls. Does it boil off and go back into the soup or am I ruining my spice. Thank you to anyone that has any helpful input on this
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Spice dissolved in naptha
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The spice will still be in the naphtha. If you evaporate it yes, it goes back to the soup. You didn't ruin anything, don't worry. Just proceed as normal.
Be careful while evaporating the naphtha, don't smoke or have anything with flames or that may cause sparks in the area, ventilate well, and protect yourself. Also be very careful with any potential base soup droplets.
Also, don't reduce the volume too much, or you will likely get a worse yield.
Be careful while evaporating the naphtha, don't smoke or have anything with flames or that may cause sparks in the area, ventilate well, and protect yourself. Also be very careful with any potential base soup droplets.
Also, don't reduce the volume too much, or you will likely get a worse yield.
Boiling down alkaline soup is a bad idea. Lots of things could go wrong. If you have a ceramic crockpot, the lye will etch the surface glaze.
If you have too much liquid, split it into smaller portions for the next pulls.
If you have too much liquid, split it into smaller portions for the next pulls.
So I purchased spear pH protester because I can't seem to get anything to precipitate out of my Frozen solution. Thinking that the base was not alkaline enough... But This soup is reading 11.8 upwards of 12. It does seem rather thick though and viscous can I add a substantial amount of water to the aqueous to allow the Mimosa root to let go of spice to where it could be picked up by my nonpolar solvent. This is my first go at this procedure and it has not proved to be very fruitful . I also can't seem to keep the. Vessel in the freezer from creating condensation and or frozen water droplets which in some instances are very convincing to what I would presume to be spice. Ultimately a disappointment. I do appreciate your guys's time and input regarding this and anything that you guys can say is would be greatly appreciated
Others more experienced will advise you about the rest. But about
Is it an airtight, closed recipient? It needs to. Also, make sure your naphtha doesn't have any water droplets at all when you pour it in. The recipient must be absolutely dry when you do that. And don't open and close it again while inside the freezer, that will cause condensation.
Sounds like insufficient base, although we know nothing about the calibration of your meter, so the 11.8 pH figure could be way off.
Diluting with a little more lye solution should help, since it sounds like your bark soup has been standing around for a while. This means it will have absorbed CO₂ and become less basic. Using salt water to make up the lye solution will also help push any DMT out of the aqueous phase and into the naphtha.
Seeing as you appear to be using second-hand bark soup, do you happen to know if any pulls were attempted by whoever made it, before they passed it to you?
There are rather a lot of unknowns in your situation, tbh.
Yes there was one other individual that had it before me and he was able to pull about two grams worth of spice. I did calibrate the meter using the buffer solution for 7 and 10 calibrated meter accordingly I'm reading about 11.97 as far as pH is... Should the NAFTA that sits on top of the soup be reading the same pH as the aqueous solution below it and if my vessel sits for a while there's almost a layer of sediment between the aqueous solution and the naptha is that my spice. I'm starting to wonder maybe the bark is weak but the friend who had it before me was able to pull two or so out of it and gave me one of them. And should I be warming up the entire vessel itself aqueous solution and Napa as a whole or should I have the aqueous solution at a lower temperature and put safely warmed up Naptha into the solution
I don't think you can legitimately complain about getting poor yields from an extraction mixture that's already had two grams pulled out of it 
How much bark did you even start with? Anything under 100g and your chances of further yield are as good as zero, 100 to 200g you'd be fortunate if you got anything more. Amounts above 200g bark in one extraction are getting cumbersome, not to mention excessive.
How much bark did you even start with? Anything under 100g and your chances of further yield are as good as zero, 100 to 200g you'd be fortunate if you got anything more. Amounts above 200g bark in one extraction are getting cumbersome, not to mention excessive.
How much salt do I need to put in the water to make the salt water needed to push the dmt into the naphtha? I am also having this issue with soup that has been sitting for about a year now. I have roughly 12 gallons of it. The yields I am getting now are oily goo that tastes HORRIBLE. I THINK it’s over saturated with napthat(if there is such a thing) and I don’t know how to correct it. Any help would be appreciated.
The last problem is most likely that you've left it for a year and stuff will have degraded in the plant material including, as well as in addition to, the DMT.
There comes a time when one might have to cut ones losses and start afresh. The Harvest Blood Moon has passed…
Beware of the sunken cost fallacy!
I had 1000gI don't think you can legitimately complain about getting poor yields from an extraction mixture that's already had two grams pulled out of it
How much bark did you even start with? Anything under 100g and your chances of further yield are as good as zero, 100 to 200g you'd be fortunate if you got anything more. Amounts above 200g bark in one extraction are getting cumbersome, not to mention excessive.
Do you mean in that one extraction? It would be helpful to be clearer - and yes, I could have asked a more precise question too.
If you're struggling with an extraction from 1kg bark, split it into at least 5 smaller portiions. Working a kilo at a time is excessive, especially considering you're obviously not in a hurry.
Wiki - Cyb's Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek
[H2 id='Introduction']Introduction[/H2] This a hybridized ATB (Acid To Base) tek developed by Cyb for the extraction of DMT from small amounts of Mimosa Hostilis root bark; this is a very straightforward, and apparently high-yielding[1] method...
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Yes for the most part all in a 5 gallon bucket . Trying to work it down by using 16 and 32oz mason jars filling each one 3/4 of the way up with soup and the last 1/4 up with naps. And rotate. Not sure if I should warm these up and try to do a pull right away or let them sit. All the soup reads a pH of 12.2 or higher. It is quite viscous though maybe it should be watered down to allow the spice to release . I thought I was in a hurry but a few things didn't go as planned and now I'm trying to pull it through with a large volume of motor oil with a lot of potential. I do appreciate all the advice and ideas from everybody. Maybe I'm making it more complicated than it should be.
Well, at least it's a helpful illustration of how larger extractions can become cumbersome and potentially wasteful, underlining why we consistently and strongly recommend more smaller extractions over attempting one huge one…
Motor oil is a terrible choice of solvent - it contains loads of weird additives. How do you plan to get the DMT back out of it?
Motor oil is a terrible choice of solvent - it contains loads of weird additives. How do you plan to get the DMT back out of it?
From HEALTH EFFECTS - Toxicological Profile for Used Mineral-Based Crankcase Oil - NCBI Bookshelf:
Using motor oil seems very unsafe. "No unsafe extraction settings and procedures".
Thanks, @blig-blug, that's exactly what I mean.
To be fair, modern motor oil will have strict limits on the amounts of o-TCP it can contain, but that doesn't mean the other ingredients will be benign.
The detergents and dispersants alone have the potential to completely screw up an extraction. You'd be better of using white kerosene.
Look into how alcoholics got the colloquial name "jakeys" and you'll see the role that tri-o-cresyl phosphate played in this as a serious neurotoxin, as well as the disastrous effects that prohibition can have.
To be fair, modern motor oil will have strict limits on the amounts of o-TCP it can contain, but that doesn't mean the other ingredients will be benign.
The detergents and dispersants alone have the potential to completely screw up an extraction. You'd be better of using white kerosene.
What is it, then?
Sounds like heavy mineral oil, perhaps. Still far from a good choice, both on account of its viscosity and its lack of volatility.
it's zippo and bestine which i have both read give great results
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