Spice lost potency after recrystallization

[KlustoR]

So after doing the max-ion tek i got yellow naphtha that yielded yellowish crystals.
I did a recrystallization on it with naptha left the yellow goo in the container and freeze precipitated it.
I went from 0.8gr yellow spice to 0.6gr white crystals, but the potency is like half of what it was before.

Now i do know that yellow adds to the experience, but i've also had perfectly white spice before, and that was way more potent than what i've got here.
So what happened here ?
My naphtha is clear white, not leaving any residue behind when evaporating.
I'd really like white clean potent spice, i find yellow lacking a bit of color to my experience.

 

[Pixar]

You say the potency is half of what it was before, but is this based on only trying it one's or more times ?

 

[KlustoR]

Yes SWIM says he tried it yesterday and the day before. SWIM even had a friend try it and he agreed that it indeed wasn't one of SWIM's best spice.

 

[Pixar]

Do you mesure your doses or do you eyeball them ?

If you eyeball it maybe the reason why it seems less potent is that crystals take up more volume per amount of dmt contained than the goo ?

There is always the possibility that you did not vaporize it correctly. If you are used to smoking a certain type/mixture of DMT and that this mixture vaporizes at a said temperature (safe to assume) while the mixture you have now would be different thus may vaporize at a different temperature. IME pure dmt is much quicker to vaporize and does so much faster, maybe you are burning some if you are used to waiting X amount of time.

If it has that dmt smell I don't see why it would be less potent. I think it is much more likely to be how you consume it.

 

[concombres]

I believe I may have the answer your looking for.
There has been some talk here in the past pertaining to jungle spice & more full spectrum dmt being more potent due to the excess alkaloids, waxes, plant fats, etc whatever it may be in the non dmt fraction protecting the DMT from heat during vaporization.

I cannot say for sure if it is true or not, but this conclusion did come from members with plenty of experience drawing conclusions based on evidence they saw during use of full spectrum spice vs pure white dmt.

 

[Pixar]

I believe I may have the answer your looking for.
There has been some talk here in the past pertaining to jungle spice & more full spectrum dmt being more potent due to the excess alkaloids, waxes, plant fats, etc whatever it may be in the non dmt fraction protecting the DMT from heat during vaporization.

I cannot say for sure if it is true or not, but this conclusion did come from members with plenty of experience drawing conclusions based on evidence they saw during use of full spectrum spice vs pure white dmt.

I agree, this may certainly be true. But even so we cannot say that the dmt is "less potent" in itself if it is only giving a stronger high due to it being protected. Using less heat or using it more efficiently is also a protection, but we would not say that the dmt has been more potent since I started smoking it like "this" instead of like "that". IME if you heat it up properly your chances of having a breakthrough with clean dmt is higher than your chances with jungle dmt.

 

[concombres]

I believe I may have the answer your looking for.
There has been some talk here in the past pertaining to jungle spice & more full spectrum dmt being more potent due to the excess alkaloids, waxes, plant fats, etc whatever it may be in the non dmt fraction protecting the DMT from heat during vaporization.

I cannot say for sure if it is true or not, but this conclusion did come from members with plenty of experience drawing conclusions based on evidence they saw during use of full spectrum spice vs pure white dmt.

I agree, this may certainly be true. But even so we cannot say that the dmt is "less potent" in itself if it is only giving a stronger high due to it being protected. Using less heat or using it more efficiently is also a protection, but we would not say that the dmt has been more potent since I started smoking it like "this" instead of like "that". IME if you heat it up properly your chances of having a breakthrough with clean dmt is higher than your chances with jungle dmt.

Yes that is true. There is also inconsistencies in vaping with proper technique, as some dmt is always lost to the smoking device.
The experience does vary to some degree with the same dosage & setting plays a large role as well as mental state.
Some members have even noted being denied entry to hyperspace on some occasions.

Sometimes you get a strong effects from a small dose & other times not much.

I would have to agree with the idea that you need to continue to use the whiter spice over a period of time to accurately guage whether or not potency was lost.

 

[Heyt]

I believe I may have the answer your looking for.
There has been some talk here in the past pertaining to jungle spice & more full spectrum dmt being more potent due to the excess alkaloids, waxes, plant fats, etc whatever it may be in the non dmt fraction protecting the DMT from heat during vaporization.

I cannot say for sure if it is true or not, but this conclusion did come from members with plenty of experience drawing conclusions based on evidence they saw during use of full spectrum spice vs pure white dmt.

Actually, endlessness has posted HPLC analysis of jungle spice (i'll link the thread, i just have to find it) and there is really no meaningful difference in composition between jungle spice and other forms of DMT. I think eyeballing is the issue here, as has been stated.

EDIT: Here's the thread. It appears there are some differences between jungle spice and DMT, but the concentration of the mystery beta-carboline is so low it shouldn't have any effect (ratio of 289:1 of DMT to the mystery alkaloid). The alkaloid is believed to be a product of the decomposition of yuremamine.

Mimosa hostilis and extract analysis thread (FASA, FASW, Naphtha, Limo, "jungle spice" etc - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Jungle spice consists of DMT, NMT, 2MTHBC, MTHBC, and the mystery alkaloid in order of highest concentration to lowest. Regular spice contains 2MTHBC and MTHBC as probable byproducts of extraction, and NMT is present in most spice to some degree and does not increase potency (NMT is not as active as DMT).

 

[concombres]

I believe I may have the answer your looking for.
There has been some talk here in the past pertaining to jungle spice & more full spectrum dmt being more potent due to the excess alkaloids, waxes, plant fats, etc whatever it may be in the non dmt fraction protecting the DMT from heat during vaporization.

I cannot say for sure if it is true or not, but this conclusion did come from members with plenty of experience drawing conclusions based on evidence they saw during use of full spectrum spice vs pure white dmt.

Actually, endlessness has posted HPLC analysis of jungle spice (i'll link the thread, i just have to find it) and there is really no meaningful difference in composition between jungle spice and other forms of DMT. I think eyeballing is the issue here, as has been stated.

EDIT: Here's the thread. It appears there are some differences between jungle spice and DMT, but the concentration of the mystery beta-carboline is so low it shouldn't have any effect (ratio of 289:1 of DMT to the mystery alkaloid). The alkaloid is believed to be a product of the decomposition of yuremamine.

Mimosa hostilis and extract analysis thread (FASA, FASW, Naphtha, Limo, "jungle spice" etc - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Jungle spice consists of DMT, NMT, 2MTHBC, MTHBC, and the mystery alkaloid in order of highest concentration to lowest. Regular spice contains 2MTHBC and MTHBC as probable byproducts of extraction, and NMT is present in most spice to some degree and does not increase potency (NMT is not as active as DMT).

I have seen that thread many times.

The protection from heat thing i think was not due to other alkaloids having effects of their own.

Inert materials like plant fats, salts, oils, etc. Do not show up on chromatograph tests & HPLC afaik. The theory I mentioned was probably aiming at something like whatever excess material it is that makes jungle spice waxy & dark colored acting as a barrier between the flame/heat & DMT.

 

[Pixar]

NMT might synergise with DMT though, I believe there is nothing conclusive on that. In the same way that MAOI's are not nearly as active as DMT, but still synergise with it to augment the experience.


I still think your problem is much more likely to be caused by your smoking technique. If you wouldn't mind detailing how you vaporize I would be glad to give any possible feedback that might help. I know it took me a while to get it all down.

 

[TGO]

NMT might synergise with DMT though, I believe there is nothing conclusive on that. In the same way that MAOI's are not nearly as active as DMT, but still synergise with it to augment the experience.


I still think your problem is much more likely to be caused by your smoking technique. If you wouldn't mind detailing how you vaporize I would be glad to give any possible feedback that might help. I know it took me a while to get it all down.

In regards to DMT and NMT synergy, I have worked a lot with acacia goo. I have found the synergy between DMT and NMT to be quite pleasant. In fact, it seems that the dose sometimes ends up being mostly NMT and is a much lighter trip in comparison to DMT, generally. I have never smoked NMT on its own though so this is just one humble guy's opinion!

I must agree that most misfires, IME, are caused by some minor/major smoking technique mishap...

 

[KlustoR]

SWIM think you're all right, SWIM knows his method of administration isn't perfect.
But regardless from that, SWIM does know how to get to the level he seek out of an experience.
About the fats protecting the plant, that might actually be the issue, together with an imperfect smoking technique.
SWIM is going to try and build a machine device when he finds some choreboy type sponge that isn't treated with chemicals (last time SWIM tried it he got a nasty vapor from the choreboy type sponge)

 

[Pixar]

That's a good idea : less variables involved in the vaporizing step means less chances for mistakes !

Personally I use a normal weed pipe, put it in the bottom of the glass and swirl the lighter around (never letting it touch directly) at the bottom until I see it start to smoke. At this point I exhale deeply, put the lighter at the top of the pipe and inhale deeply (I make sure the fire never goes to far in the cavity of the pipe.

Sometimes I have done the sanwich method with great succes : muleine at the bottom, DMT, muleine at the top. Light without touching directly the muleine until it is lit. Then smoke until vaporization without the use of the lighter (it will usually happen very fast and you might get a couple puffs that are inactive before hand).

 

[KlustoR]

SWIM has always used the sandwich method with ashes, if SWIM found mullein in a local shop he would make enhanced leaf with it.
The sandwich method always worked for SWIM and he didn't encounter any nasty vapor, he once tried a light bulb that was cleaned with great effort but still it created a nasty vapor ( prolly just DMT burning ) He also tried using a steel sponge like this type:

what created an even nastier vapor.
SWIM might end up buying normal copper wire and weave it into a ball himself if he can't find any after a little more searching around.

Good thing SWIM has some more yellow spice that made beautiful clear/yellow, sugar-like crystals for in the meanwhile

 

[DansMaTete]

At Nexus, contrary to thought, water is shallow so SWIMing is not necessary

 

[Pixar]

At Nexus, contrary to thought, water is shallow so SWIMing is not necessary

:lol: That is true. There is always disconnect.me also


I would avoid all of those steel sponges product since most are coated with chemicals/soaps.

 

[KlustoR]

That explains why it had such a nasty vapor :lol:
I (see what i did there? ) think copper wire and a lot of patience will go a long way.

 

[Pixar]

Yeah ! Toxic stuff :!:

:lol: I see it Yes, patience never hurt anyone.

Good luck

 

[concombres]

Klustor I reccommend against using the machine. It works but Ime the vapor produced is very hot, harsh, & leaves a bad taste & numbness in the mouth.

You will have much better results doing something similar to the machine with a water bong. Copper mesh disk fitted into the downstem works pretty nicely & the vapor is smooth & cool.

 

[Heyt]

I'm sorry concombres, I misread your post altogether! I'll read more carefully before I post next time