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Hi all,

SWIM is a newb to spice, but fairly well experienced with other psy's. SWIM has been reading this great forum for a while now and just finished his first extraction from the guidance received here. SWIM yielded 0.71g of sc washed, recrystalised, very pure white crystals from about 130g of powdered MHRB. Is this about a typical yield for washed spice? SWIM will post a picture when he is allowed!

SWIM has a couple of questions for me to ask you:

1. 50mg seems to be about the "breakthrough" dose for most. SWIM plans on 20mg for 1st try. Is this quoted 50mg for pure white crystals like SWIM has or for unwashed? SWIM assumes that less spice is needed with cleaner spice for the same effect? What experience is there of varied dose with varied spice? SWIM has good scales :)

2. SWIM has tried Salvia maybe 5 times, SWIM does not beleive he broke through with this, but certainly had some powerful effects, like SWIMs limbs becoming tentacles then said tentacles proceeding to tightly bind SWIM to the floor for 5 mins. This was weird, but no real problem to deal with, SWIM simply found it not very pleasant. SWIM remains wary of Salvia and isn't really tempted to explore further with that plant, but doesn't rule it out.

SWIM finds Salvia a little scary in its presence somehow (can't explain more than that). It offered SWIM a bizarre and intense experience but no real insight. A crazy ride, but for no obvious benefit would be another way of putting it.

Is Salvia considered "scarier" than DMT, or harder to deal with whilst coming up?

What SWIM is basically asking is if SWIM is likely not to enjoy the DMT realm because SWIM is not a Salvia fan?
 
yep different creatures - salvia scares me to death.

If eyeballing doses the size of a dose depends on what solvent was used to re-x.
If heptane was used then it would be a very small amount - if naptha was used and it was scraped from a freeze precip vessel it could be very fluffy.
Best to get a scale - and kinda weird thread title btw.
 
Thanks for reply Phlux, the title was meant to be a joke, like a lonely hearts advert? British SOH maybe, - anyway, moving on!

SWIM has a scale, just a cheap one, but it is calibrated and tested, so hopefully will do the trick. SWIM used Naptha for re-ex, you are right, it is quite fluffy! That question was more about the difference in dosage between cleaned and non-cleaned / re-x spice, should SWIM be more cautious with purer spice?

SWIM was really asking if in general people who didn't like the Salvia experience also didn't like the DMT experience, or if DMT is generally more benevolent in its treatment of the smoker. SWIM read that a lot of people struggle to enjoy Salvia. I recognise it is nearly impossible to compare the two, but any opinions well received!

Thanks.
 
Most psychadelics affect dopamine/serotonin receptors causing a euphoria which allows you to better accept the trip. This isn't the case with Salvia. (very rough and generalized) Although, some people may enjoy the effects of salvia and therefore even though they aren't getting the euphoria straight from the drug, doesn't mean they dont get it from other things(enjoying the experience, sharing a new thing with a loved one, reaching new heights, etc. etc.). This is one reason PerPLexED finds that people typically are more prone to enjoy other substances.


Note: All this could be entirely wrong.
 
1664 said:
1. 50mg seems to be about the "breakthrough" dose for most. SWIM plans on 20mg for 1st try. Is this quoted 50mg for pure white crystals like SWIM has or for unwashed? SWIM assumes that less spice is needed with cleaner spice for the same effect? What experience is there of varied dose with varied spice? SWIM has good scales :)
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First of all don't listen to folks advice on doseage. If I had 50mg's of DMT, I wouldn't remember a thing20mg's for me is a very full on break through. I also find some yellower spices stronger because those aren't just dead oils making it that colour. It's all active stuff.


1664 said:
SWIM finds Salvia a little scary in its presence somehow (can't explain more than that). It offered SWIM a bizarre and intense experience but no real insight. A crazy ride, but for no obvious benefit would be another way of putting it.

Is Salvia considered "scarier" than DMT, or harder to deal with whilst coming up?

What SWIM is basically asking is if SWIM is likely not to enjoy the DMT realm because SWIM is not a Salvia fan?
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DMT is a lot more enjoyable for myself. Although it comes on quick, at least you can feel it coming on and integrate with the experience much easier than the sneak attack that is salvia. I think with DMT if you start small and slowly build your way up you can get used to it enough to feel fully comfortable at higher and higher doses. However with salvia there seems to be a biting point where no matter how comfortable you were up to it, once you cross over that line it's a completely different game.

I argue with Salvia whereas I listen to and agree with DMT :)
 
what soulfood said... ;)


i, too, break through completely on 20mgs. sometimes even less... nothing wrong with starting small to get the feel of it....and oh what a feeling it is... this is a relationship you're starting. show up with flowers. hold hands and kiss the first couple times....no need to bust out a brand new econo-pack of trojans on the first date. ;)

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!
 
antrocles said:
what soulfood said... ;)


i, too, break through completely on 20mgs. sometimes even less... nothing wrong with starting small to get the feel of it....and oh what a feeling it is... this is a relationship you're starting. show up with flowers. hold hands and kiss the first couple times....no need to bust out a brand new econo-pack of trojans on the first date. ;)

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!
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Like the way you put it and second this. You may breakthrough on 2mg, you may breakthrough on 100mg. As most say, start with a dose that does nothing, and build up to your dose. Everyone reacts differently, and its good practice because sometimes we are ignorant to certain things(like one of the medications youre so used to taking happens to be an maoi) 20mg might leave you in a world of not-so-fun stuff.

Also, I find with salvia, it's much more difficult to dose. Whereas with spice you can build up, with salvia, i end up getting ready for wherever the hell it feels like taking me. Haven't found the perfect means of smoking it to get a good dose size, since sometimes few hits will leave me just a bit off, and 2 hits will leave me in another dimension. quidding might be a bit easier, or more experience, but thats my 2 cents.
 
yep on dosage - full breaktrhu for me seems to be about 25mg(being totall part of everything) but i mean full visuals and entity contact is made at like 5mg.
"sneak attack that is salvia." hahaha - for me it was more like being kicked full force in the face by a self replicating transparent hatted clay psycho space-donkey madwoman.
Honestly there is no way anybody could convince me to smoke salvia again.
With salvia there just seems to be no point for me - the after fx are amazing but the trauma of the experience is not worth it.
With spice i tend to remain somewhat in the drivers seat, its colorfull and the visuals are meaningfull - i grow because of what it makes visible to me and it gives me alot to think about every time.
 
antrocles said:
this is a relationship you're starting. show up with flowers. hold hands and kiss the first couple times....no need to bust out a brand new econo-pack of trojans on the first date. 😉
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Haha, antrocles you're a legend my friend. I've read about how soulfood doses in a different thread, and think it's sound advice. It's certainly advice I'm going to follow.

Yeah salvia can be darkstyle, but as far as I can gather from my research, DMT is completely different. I've had quite a bit of sally, but I can't imagine that's what DMT is like in any kind of major way.

Welcome to the nexus 1664 (are you a Kroney drinker?), I get the title. And since this is a lonely hearts column now, and you're seeking a date with the spice, I would follow antrocles and soulfoods advice. That's what I'll be doing anyway.

Peace,

Macre.
 
Macre said:
Welcome to the nexus 1664 (are you a Kroney drinker?), I get the title. And since this is a lonely hearts column now, and you're seeking a date with the spice, I would follow antrocles and soulfoods advice. That's what I'll be doing anyway.
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Thanks for the post Macre, and thanks for getting the joke. I was beginning to think the thing people found weirdest on a forum about DMT was me! 😉 Cheers for the input on dosage and your Salvia experences everyone who posted, SWIM will go very easy the first few times and see what the spice has to show him.

With much love & respect!
 
Ye start small dude, also try and get away from them noisy london busses, a nice quite place with no distractions.

Happy travels
 
It's all been said. Salvia is different, dosage may vary (I'd start with 20-30mg)...and distractions are KILLING IT. It just SUCKS to be in there, and hearing someone slam the door with full force. You won't be put out of the trance like it's the case with salvia (quid), but it's VERY unnerving.

A quiet place can make the experienced better...dozenfolds.
 
perplexed wrote a bit on distractions awhile ago:
A distraction during a breakthrough is dangerous, it is like disconnecting before finding out how to wake up from this wretched coma. You're stuck in an eternal loop of trying that same way again. You either expect the distraction now, or have a new one altogether.
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Once you are done through the dating process, and you guys are ready for some fun alone time, you don't want daddy walking in ;}
 
To me, underdosing with DMT is a bad way to approach it. Underdoses are, to me, dysphoric, unpleasant, and always lacking...

I highly suggest at least 35-40mgs to start off with. Saliva is nothing like DMT. I hate smoked Salvia, its just scary stuff.

DMT is not going to turn you into a chair and leave you to rot. DMT can take you to the core of the universe and show you everything in a split second.....
 
obliguhl said:
It's just too hard to find a quiet place in a big city.

(and let me add: In a dorm)
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AMEN TO THAT!!!!

My lease is up in Dec & I am getting the hell out of this Apt because I have a busy 6 lane street, about 8-10 feet from my living room window & my bedroom window is just around the corner!
I have not been able to have a good DMT experience since I moved in back in DEC, because of the freaking traffic noise! There isn't a 2 min period that goes by without the...zoom...zooom..zoom...zoom of cars going past! It's going on right now!!!
It's like living at a farking bus stop!!

And Oh My God....I am so sick of hearing the cars with the goddamn bass systems rattling my windows!!! WTF!!!
I know I sound like a crabby old man...but there really should be an enforced law about that!!
It is 100% disturbing the peace!!! And happening every 2-4 farking minutes!
(not only that but they sound like shit anyway!)

For me, I need to have pretty much total silence or I can't focus enough to fully breakthrough.
I get pulled out of the breakthrough state completely by any noise disturbance, I have been a CD Mastering engineer for 18+ years & have worked hard to train my ears to pay attention to & identify background noise & how to reduce it in a recording.
Makes living in a noisy environment very stressing!! Makes taking DMT there next to impossible!
Cause I got no noise reduction software for reality...:?



So just yesterday in fact, I built a plug for my bedroom window out of plywood, with 3" thick studio foam wrapped around both sides.
It fits very snug into the window well.
It blocks out the light completely, but only reduced the loudness level of the traffic by a nice amount.
Unfortunately low freq vibrations like that of the traffic & those bass cars, just goes right through the walls because of the size of the sound waves. The only way to actually control that would be some serious construction, you need large pockets of air to slow em down.....Or to just move somewhere else.
So I am outta here!


The plug did reduce the noise enough to where I think I can at least deal with it much better now, especially later at night, when the traffic is least busy...at least until DEC!:d
Wish I had done this much sooner, I had the idea months ago.:?


WS
 
I know what you're talking about ;)
I don't have cars blasting loud music ...but there's a police station just across the street..let's not forget folks slamming the doors at 2am, drunken students smashing beer bottles etc....

Have you tried earplugs? They tend to freak me out, unfortunatly.
 
fwiw I've heard it said that fear is Sally's MO; she'll keep coming on scary until you get over it and then she'll turn around and show you the goods. I've felt unwelcome on DMT sometimes but it's never tried to scare me off.
 
obliguhl said:
I know what you're talking about ;)
Have you tried earplugs? They tend to freak me out, unfortunatly.
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Yup...I've tried everything!! The window plug is the only thing that helped at all.

Earplugs: Fully expanded + DMT coming on strong = Head stuffed with pillows & more are being stuffed in!!

Horrible experience I don't with to go through again!
Plus did very, very little for the reduction of the traffic noise & nothing for the low hum & rumbling.


Except an occasional 2+ hour drive out to the forest for a day/night of peace when I get the chance, I'm just going to have to be happy that the window plug I just made actually worked quite well!!


WS
 
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