Sublingual harmala dosage for vaporhuasca breakthrough?

[manifest_jynx]

So trying to experiment with a new ROA with harmalas for a vaporhuasca breakthrough, currently have harmine/harmaline FB, usually 20mg harmalas is a good vaped dose for me. I don't have much experience with the oral/sublingual route. Usually stick to 30mg spice in a bong after harmalas for a full breakthrough and probably will stick in the same dosage range or go a bit lower if I decide to use the GVG.

(I'm terrible at using the GVG for larger doses but I'm trying to practice with it so I don't know my breakthrough dosage with it yet, usually only microdose with it.)

Just wondering what has worked for anybody else from experience? Honestly just curious where a good starting point for sublingual would be to be close to a 20mg vaped harmala dosage. I assume the bioavailability goes down a bit since FB isnt water soluble?

 

[doubledog]

I don't know about vaporhuasca, but I use sublingual FB harmalas for psilohuasca and it works perfectly in 20-30mg dose for that.

 

[Here&Now]

I agree, 20-30mg is a good amount for sublingual harmalas. Freebase works fine with that ROA.

 

[manifest_jynx]

I don't know about vaporhuasca, but I use sublingual FB harmalas for psilohuasca and it works perfectly in 20-30mg dose for that.

I agree, 20-30mg is a good amount for sublingual harmalas. Freebase works fine with that ROA.

Thank you both, I can comfortably say ill probably stick with my 20mg dosage range and maybe try 20mg spice out of the gvg and see where to takes me and dose up as needed. Honestly kinda tired of the taste of mullien unless it's in a changa blend so I'd rather try something new for my harmala consumption.

 

[Here&Now]

Thank you both, I can comfortably say ill probably stick with my 20mg dosage range and maybe try 20mg spice out of the gvg and see where to takes me and dose up as needed. Honestly kinda tired of the taste of mullien unless it's in a changa blend so I'd rather try something new for my harmala consumption.

If everything is consumed with high efficiency, those amounts can you get you right to the door of a breakthrough and perhaps even fully into one.

Be warned though that sublingual harmalas can have a gnarly taste as well.

 

[Varallo]

Ah my favorite combination, I think it’s one of the best ways of going about things. When you get the hang of it you can go very deep.
What I usually do is just put some (50 mg) harmalas in my mouth and swish them around for a couple of minutes until they fully present themselves to the level that you’re looking for, then just swallow the rest with some tea and slowly add the DMT.

This method sits somewhere between vaporization and Ayahuasca and really gives you the ability to slowly dive deeper and deeper into the other world, just be mindful and don’t hit the DMT too hard as even small amounts of DMT will take you further than with other methods.

 

[manifest_jynx]

Ah my favorite combination, I think it’s one of the best ways of going about things. When you get the hang of it you can go very deep.
What I usually do is just put some (50 mg) harmalas in my mouth and swish them around for a couple of minutes until they fully present themselves to the level that you’re looking for, then just swallow the rest with some tea and slowly add the DMT.

This method sits somewhere between vaporization and Ayahuasca and really gives you the ability to slowly dive deeper and deeper into the other world, just be mindful and don’t hit the DMT too hard as even small amounts of DMT will take you further than with other methods.

So I've been wondering, if I were to go higher on harmalas could it be possible to breakthrough on even less DMT? I've been very curious about this but usually go DMT heavy with my blends rather than harmalas

 

[Here&Now]

So I've been wondering, if I were to go higher on harmalas could it be possible to breakthrough on even less DMT? I've been very curious about this but usually go DMT heavy with my blends rather than harmalas

At least for me, there comes a point in higher harmala dosing where the side effects become not worth it. But generally, yes, you get more bang for your buck with DMT dosing depending on how harmala'd you are.

 

[Varallo]

So I've been wondering, if I were to go higher on harmalas could it be possible to breakthrough on even less DMT? I've been very curious about this but usually go DMT heavy with my blends rather than harmalas

I am not sure, the main advantage is the ability to take your time to get where you want to go, if you have a vape with dmt citrate is it’s especially good.

 

[isntme]

Ah my favorite combination, I think it’s one of the best ways of going about things. When you get the hang of it you can go very deep.
What I usually do is just put some (50 mg) harmalas in my mouth and swish them around for a couple of minutes until they fully present themselves to the level that you’re looking for, then just swallow the rest with some tea and slowly add the DMT.

This method sits somewhere between vaporization and Ayahuasca and really gives you the ability to slowly dive deeper and deeper into the other world, just be mindful and don’t hit the DMT too hard as even small amounts of DMT will take you further than with other methods.

Could you give some details (or link) on how this influences the time window? Taking a first small hit, then waiting for how long before the next? And how long does adding DMT make sense? What to expect regarding duration of the effects?

I still need to read through the different form of ingestion thread and the other stuff, so sorry if this are stupid questions, This forum is a bit like the library of babel: it's all there but you need to find it...

 

[Varallo]

You don’t need to worry about timing, just ease into it and let things unfold naturally. For me, the sublingual effects usually take about 10 to 15 minutes to kick in. Once I start feeling them, I take a few small hits of the vape, just to settle in and get a feel for the shift in being.
I don’t really keep track of time at this point instead, I focus on the feeling, the sense of being drawn in, like an invitation to step beyond. When that feeling takes hold, I go with it, taking deeper hits until I lose awareness of the vape, or even my own body. The experience lasts longer than vaping DMT on its own, but in that space, time doesn’t really seem to matter anyway. So again it’s pointless to think about time.

My advice is to just go ahead and try, the combination is much more forgiving, dosing wise, than straight DMT. Also the harmalas tend to balance the experience, I mean plane DMT is absolutely amazing but it’s really like an rocket flight, it’s bumpy and relentless in it’s speed, harmalas really smooth things out and gives the traveler a bit more time to look out of the window so to say.

If interested I wrote one trip report on this combination, (plus pharma) it’s not the best but does give some insight into the depths that can be explored.

Exp. Report - A holiday to hyperspace, surfing the wave an hour plus.

So this is the first time i write a trip report, I do keep notes on my endeavors but never verry descriptive on the whole but mostly details. A bit of background, I have been using dmt in all possible ways over the last decades. Combined it with most other drugs and especially with harmalas in...

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[isntme]

You don’t need to worry about timing, just ease into it and let things unfold naturally. For me, the sublingual effects usually take about 10 to 15 minutes to kick in. Once I start feeling them, I take a few small hits of the vape, just to settle in and get a feel for the shift in being.
I don’t really keep track of time at this point instead, I focus on the feeling, the sense of being drawn in, like an invitation to step beyond. When that feeling takes hold, I go with it, taking deeper hits until I lose awareness of the vape, or even my own body. The experience lasts longer than vaping DMT on its own, but in that space, time doesn’t really seem to matter anyway. So again it’s pointless to think about time.

My advice is to just go ahead and try, the combination is much more forgiving, dosing wise, than straight DMT. Also the harmalas tend to balance the experience, I mean plane DMT is absolutely amazing but it’s really like an rocket flight, it’s bumpy and relentless in it’s speed, harmalas really smooth things out and gives the traveler a bit more time to look out of the window so to say.

If interested I wrote one trip report on this combination, (plus pharma) it’s not the best but does give some insight into the depths that can be explored.

Exp. Report - A holiday to hyperspace, surfing the wave an hour plus.

So this is the first time i write a trip report, I do keep notes on my endeavors but never verry descriptive on the whole but mostly details. A bit of background, I have been using dmt in all possible ways over the last decades. Combined it with most other drugs and especially with harmalas in...

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Great, thanks.
full spectrum harmalas from rue
so you speak about extracted or just ground seeds?

 

[Varallo]

Great, thanks.
full spectrum harmalas from rue
so you speak about extracted or just ground seeds?

Extracted: boil, base, decant, dissolve in vinegar, filter, base, decant, dissolve in vinegar and water, manske.

Let me know how it goes, and have fun.

 

[isntme]

Ok, thanks. I'm reading through the tao of rue extraction currently, but will have a look at crude manske also.

 

[Ruffles]

On sublingual harmalas for combos... As said before 20 mg rubbed under the tongue is a noticeable dose for combos. But it needs a minimum 20 mg redose after every hour otherwise it fades out. I prefer 30-40 mg at time zero and redose 20 mg every hour.

In that state you can vape up to the point you want continuously, or sublingual or others... Except orally, for that you need to swallow 100+ mg harmalas.

All good suggestions, I agree with most experiences told here.

 

[yatyas314]

is Harmaline freebase the same?

 

[manifest_jynx]

is Harmaline freebase the same?

Harmalas can come in freebase form and Hcl form. Freebase is better for smoking while Hcl is generally better for oral/sublingual consumption but freebase harmalas are also water soluble to a point so freebase would also work for oral/sublingual consumption.

 

[Varallo]

is Harmaline freebase the same?

Harmalas is usually used for the description of a mix of harmine and harmaline. Harmaline alone wil work albeit with a slight variation in effect.

 

[yatyas314]

Harmalas can come in freebase form and Hcl form. Freebase is better for smoking while Hcl is generally better for oral/sublingual consumption but freebase harmalas are also water soluble to a point so freebase would also work for oral/sublingual consumption.

So for a beginner it feels like going low and slow sublingual with HCL feels like the right move for extending the journey. My hope is that I can accomplish what I currently do with two or three come ups in one sitting to one slightly longer session. All feedback is appreciated.
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[aethereon]

Sakkadelic pointed out to me that the freebase harmalas taste much more 'agreeable' than the salt form... I was using the salt form for a while and granted I was doing larger than necessary sublingual doses but I was really like how do people do this? The freebase harmalas are definitely much less disgusting.