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Legal Disclaimer: The story below is fantasy fiction.

First, I had four sub-breakthroughs, and then... one major (accidental overdose) FULL breakthrough. The full breakthrough made me thank God/The-Conscious-Universe for allowing me to experience going to the other side, but even more than that, I thanked God/The-Conscious-Universe (both during the experience and after) for allowing me to come back. This is the story of the full breakthrough.

That night I began by writing a love letter to God/The-Conscious-Universe

"I will to learn
what the universe
wills me to learn.

I will to see
what the universe
wants me to see.

I will to do
what the universe
wants me to do.

Love Gratitude

I love you
truly.
I love you
forever.

Please let me hear the carrier wave tonight."

I packed a bowl (I have no idea how much was there, I never had a scale, I simply created a pile of pure spice in the bowl about the size of a bowl of bud) and sat with my legs crossed. I vaporized and held 2 huge thick hits (the vapor was so thick, I instantly realized I had packed and inhaled "too much", much more than the usual 0.05 gram dose people take.)

Suddenly I heard the carrier wave I had been hoping for for so long, increasing in loudness and pitch up and up as this sound/vibration tuned my spirit/consciousness/awareness to an extremely high frequency.

It didn't seem like I was going somewhere else, there was no "warp speed moving through a tunnel to a far away place" image or feeling for me, not at all, this sound simply quickly began and increased in loudness and pitch until there was a breaking glass sound and I was suddenly tuned into a frequency/dimension that we usually aren't tuned into.

(It seems to me like this frequency/dimension is always right here, existing just as radio waves are right here existing wherever we are, we simply are not usually tuned into it. So it's not about "going" anywhere far away, like traveling to the pleiades or something, it's about tuning into the reality that exists right here right now.)

Anyway, when the carrier wave sound suddenly gave my spirit/consciousness/awareness/third-eye/whatever the ability to see this higher frequency/dimension, first came 2 small surprises, and then came a big surprise.

The first small surprise was: when I broke through, right in front of me yet slightly to my left was a jester's head, connected to a metal spring, popping out of a box (a jack-in-the-box), saying telepathically "This is it! This, is, it!" twice in a welcoming way.

It had a jester cap on its head (pointy triangle-shaped tips with balls on the end) and the same kind of jester thing around its neck (pointy triangle tips with balls on the end), below that was merely a metal spring coming out of a box.

What? A jester? Why a jester? And why does it have an inanimate body?

Of course I had read about the wide range of entities which people have reported seeing, and a few people had described jesters, but I did not at all expect to see a jester myself, because I didn't have any interest or strong feelings about jesters, neither negative nor positive.

So, since I wasn't expecting to see a jester, my first impression was that I was not creating this with my mind, that instead I was seeing a spirit that actually was there, existing, right next to where I was sitting, slightly to my left, exactly where a desktop computer sits (which made me think that this was the "spirit" of the inanimate computer, perhaps the electricity coursing through it, the frequency which the computer emits, has a corresponding "spirit" which would help explain why its image was half animate, half inanimate.)

Next, I realized the second surprising part of this vision, it wasn't just an eye effect centered in the center of my vision, it was definitely slightly to my left.

This was surprising to me, because in the past, when I had done LSD and mushrooms, I never saw anything that "wasn't there", I never hallucinated really, but I did see a slight breathing of everything, and I saw a centered symmetrical snowflake-style pattern applied upon everything, with the center being wherever my eyes looked, for example if I looked down at the ground, the random gravel seemed like it was actually a symmetrical snowflake-style interesting pattern, and if I looked at a wall there was the same snowflake-pattern, the snowflake-pattern stayed in the center of my field of vision no matter where I looked, so I knew that effect was just related to my eyes. If the snowflake pattern were to stay in one stationary place, while I slowly panned elsewhere, that would have been a surprise, but no, with LSD and mushrooms, in my experience, the snowflake pattern always stayed in the center, and thus was just an eye effect, like wearing glasses with a special kaleidoscope lens.

So, this half-living jester was surprising in this way, because from the start, it wasn't just a snowflake pattern, and it wasn't in the center of wherever I looked, it was on my left.

Next, came the big surprise: I decided to open my eyes, to see what my room would look like with eyes open, and was absolutely shocked to see absolutely NO CHANGE!

Eyes Open, Eyes Closed, Eyes Open. Absolutely the same either way. My eyelids meant nothing. Opening my eyes merely produced a metallic sound, the vision I was seeing remained the same regardless. This really made me worry that I had really loaded too much, that I had really inhaled too much, that I would be unable to ever return to my usual frequency to interact as usual with my children and wife, that I would be stuck seeing this frequency, this dimension, forever, that my children would come to my room 7 hours later and I wouldn't be able to see them.

So, I had only been tuned into this other frequency for about 7 seconds so far (probably 3 seconds looking at the jester, and 3 seconds opening and closing my eyes) and yet already I began praying: without trying, without pretending, not mentally, totally from my heart, I was saying within my heart, Thank you! You let me in, and you let me out. 5 minutes. Just 5 minutes. Thank you for letting me go back to my family! I know you will. I know this will all pass. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You let me come here, and you let me go back. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I even tried to vocalize these heartfelt feelings, but the words came out garbled, I wasn't in full control of my speaking ability, which again made me concerned that I wouldn't be able to communicate with my family again, I thought maybe I had done too much and had broke something in my physical brain, and thus I would no longer be able to see the "regular" frequency/dimension where my family lived, and I would no longer be able to speak with them.

That was my rational concern, but I continued to simply thank the universe in the present for the fact that in 5 minutes it would let me go back to the usual frequency/dimension where I would be able to be with my family again.

Then, while giving thanks for the fact (the hope) that seeing this dimension was just temporary, I felt I was being watched by something slightly behind me to my right. So, I turned my eyes/consciousness slowly to the right, away from the jester, I basically kept panning to the right with both my consciousness and my physical head, until I found what was there.

There was a large, round face, watching me, observing me neutrally, a face about 1 meter wide, and about 1.5 meters tall, floating with it's huge "eyes" about level with my eye level, but its eyes were actually holes, as was its mouth, the whole face consisted of energy moving like a perfectly-symmetrical continuously-moving interlocked-rope celtic-knot winding in and out of itself, it was like a ball of thick rope connected in a loop, and this continuously flowing rope made up this floating face, and I got the feeling that this was the "real" spirit, and that the "half animate half-inanimate" jester "toy" that was on my left at first had been placed there by this green large face spirit, who had placed itself slightly behind me and to my right, because this green large face spirit had wanted to watch me unnoticed.

So there I was with my head turned to my right, staring face to face with this giant head being, which was green, one could say the interlocked--flowing-rope that made up its entirety was like continuously moving snakes, but I didn't get a snake vibe at all, so I simply describe it as being made up of moving rope, or rope like energy, or a living celtic knot face, and I was simply looking at it and it was looking at me (although again, it only had black holes where the eyes and mouth and nose would be) and it seemed neutral, slightly positive but basically neutral, and I was feeling Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you for letting me experience this for 5 minutes and then letting me go back to my family. And it was just neutrally observing me the whole time and it seemed to be simply observing that this human soul (me) sure is feeling a lot of Thanks.

And for 5 minutes I stared at this face to my right while saying thank you again and again and it simply watched me, it understood what I was feeling, it seemed to be responding “Yes”, and after 5 minutes (it didn't feel like anymore than that, it really did feel like simply 5 minutes) it started to fade away as my room started to fade into view. Instead of seeing the green face I started seeing whatever was actually in that spot (which happens to have been a alter about 1 meter wide and 1.5 meters wide, so perhaps when I was seeing the green face in that spot I was actually seeing the spirit associated with that alter.

(The alter is used by the people where I live to pray for their ancestors to be satisfied, it's a ceremony which they do, they say they don't really believe in it, but just for good luck, they leave fresh water in the alter each day and light incense for a few minutes daily while praying for about 30 seconds each day for the spirits of their deceased ancestors to be happy so that the alive members of the family will have good luck. So, perhaps the spirit I saw right at that spot was somehow related to that alter, perhaps such rituals of intention attracted that spirit to that spot, I don't know.)

So anyway, I gradually, slowly, started to notice my room slowly fading back into view, and this made me very happy, since this meant I was coming back, and as the usual room images became more and more visible I continued feeling "Thank you" "Thank you" "Thank you" and my mouth started to be able to speak the words with less garbling, which again made me very happy, I started saying, "And I'm back. "And thank you. "And I'm back." "You let me go in." "And you let me come back." "Thank you." "Thank you." "Thank you." And now I knew I would be able to speak with my children and my wife again, I was back.

After a few more minutes of staring at the alter, the only open eye visuals remaining at this point was merely a 5% overlay of slight fractals, so I decided I was feeling able to try to walk to the next room where my family were sleeping.

I was able to stand, I was able to walk, and I entered the bedroom and laid down next to my oldest child, and looked at his face, still saying thank you thank you thank you, and I looked at my other children and my wife, continually saying thank you, and my wife woke from her slumber just enough to say "shush" so she can continue sleeping, to which I replied "Yes. Thank you. I love you. Thank you. Yes. I will be quiet now. I just want you to know, I choose you, my family. I need nothing else. I choose here. This is all I need. I need nothing else. Thank you. OK. Good night. I love you." And I stopped talking out loud, but continued whispering to the universe "Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me come back to my family."

After 15 minutes of laying down and whispering like that, the universe told me to get up and get rid of everything related to "Deep Meditation Therapy", for safety. It seemed the universe was telling me that there was a chance that my home was going to be checked by some authority. So I listened to the universe, I stood up again and came back to the room where I had had the experience. I thankfully bowed to the west, I thankfully bowed to the north, I thankfully bowed to the east, I thankfully bowed to the south. I thankfully bowed to the above. I thankfully bowed to the below. I thankfully bowed to inside myself. I totally felt, from the moment the carrier wave sound came, throughout the trip, and after it, totally thankful, thankful thankful.

I did exactly as the universe suggested, knowing full well that the most nexus folks would consider this action "wasteful" and "sacrilegious", I took all the spice I had left, and all the MHRB I had left, and all the naphtha, and I flushed it all down the toilet. I got rid of everything. I wrapped the glass pipe in a t-shirt and went outside into the night and placed it on the ground and lightly tapped it with a hammer until it completely became just glass powder wrapped in cloth. I wrapped the pots I had used for this project in old towels and threw them into garbage bags. I made my room clean enough to pass any kind of inspection from any authorities.

The universe said good, I said good, and I thankfully went to sleep.

That night, I had an interesting dream. In the first one, I was at a store when the shop owner announced, "I am going to kill you, is that OK?" I said no, and I walked out into the street. Then an old Japanese friend came up to me with a samurai sword, and said, "If you would like, I will kill you. I will chop your head off. Do you agree?" and again I replied no, I don't agree, and walked away.

In the morning, I awoke and thought about that dream. It seems to me that that the universe was asking if I want my EGO to be killed, not my body, not my soul, my EGO. The universe was basically telling me, through my dream, that if I wanted to walk down this spiritual path, I would have to allow my EGO to die, and it was asking me if I agree to that, and it seems that my answer at that stage was no.

Well, there we have it, that was 7 months ago, I haven't broken through since. But over these 7 months I have decided that I would like to try again, this time I will get a scale and start with a very small measured dose (like 0.02g) and slowly work my way up to from sub-breakthrough to breakthrough, to find the right amount. I would like my next time to be in my greenhouse, sitting between my 2 acacia confusa plants, to see if the spirits in that location are different.

I think that now that I know one really does come back, I feel confident to tune into that higher frequency again.

PS - The summary above was written 7 months ago, I finally decided to share it now. After 7 months of thinking about my experience, my thoughts about the "spirits" I saw are slightly different. Here is what I think about the big question of whether we are seeing "real" entities or whether we are creating "fake" entities with our minds, I think my conclusion will surprise the Nexus community:

In my experience, in my opinion, imbibing the DMT molecule allows one to be aware of actual spirits, which exist at a much higher frequency, without bodies, basically plain orbs of energy, yet at the same time, (here comes the surprising qualification which unites the spiritualists with the materialists) one's brain then OVERLAYS images ONTO the plain spirits based on our conscious and unconscious memories, ideas, fears and hopes. Thus, when the materialists say "you're creating what you see", they are absolutely right, and when the spiritualists say "you're seeing real spirits" they are also absolutely right, the truth is a synergistic blend of those two statements: you're tuning into the vibrational frequency of real spirits yet your mind is dressing these real spirits with fake coverings. The body SHAPE and COLOR and TEXTURE of the entities you see are painted by YOU, but behind all of this process of painting by you, at the root of this process, there ARE actually packets of external energy (spirits) that are hanging out near you that DMT allows you to become aware of. Again, to summarize, YOU'RE painting the spirits with your mind, but underneath all that creative painting, there ARE actual spirits floating around. Both parties of the debate are right, and have been the whole time. It's not "A or B". It's "A and B". Well, I hope that this message of uniting is understood, because as it happens, it's not just beautiful, I think it is actually true. Real Spirits, exquisitely clothed in our surprisingly creative mental projections.





Legal Disclaimer: The story above is fantasy fiction.
 
You know you're not actually supposed to follow the orders you get given in hyperspace, you're supposed to choose whether you want to follow the orders or not. The Salvia Lady told me to grow magic mushrooms and to never use salvia again but I told her I would consider the orders. I have not carried out the orders that an alien told me to do. You however did carry out the orders you were told to do, did you want to do the orders or were you just doing them because you thought you were supposed to because from my opinion flushing all your stuff down a toilet doesn't sound like rational behaviour to me. If I got told to flush all my stuff down the toilet by an entity I would either state that I would consider it or tell the entity that I didn't want to do it. You are in control of your actions, the entity's word is not final.
 
This sounds like an intense breakthrough, but I’m surprised that you were still in your body – able to experiment with opening and closing your eyes, making attempts to speak, etc. Not to diminish your experience, but it actually sounds like a rather “typical” breakthrough (with the understanding that no breakthrough is really “typical”). I’m wondering if you agree? How was this breakthrough different from others you had prior to it?
 
@Seraph
What? You were given an order from an entity in hyperspace Seraph? Thanks for sharing that great advice for anyone who has experienced that.

The character in the fantasy fiction above decided 20 minutes after coming back from hyperspace to totally decrease the chance of imprisonment.
Call the action paranoid, disrespectful, wasteful, but not irrational. The character obviously decided to choose his family, reality, and safety, over risk.
Your confusion is understandable, but just know that the author's poetic use of the term "the universe" does not in any way refer to "an entity." Nope.
Some authors write, "a wave of paranoia swept over me so I stopped my grow-op" while some authors write "the universe told me to stop my grow-op."
Some authors write, "my higher self told me it was time to stop my grow op" while some authors write "I decided to stop my grow-op just to be safe."

So, I can see where the confusion occurred Seraph, but your story & advice should be saved for people who actually write "an entity gave me an order."

Back to what was actually written in the fantasy fiction above, I think that the conclusion is important: any thoughts about this new "A and B" idea?
Namely: people who see entities in Hyperspace are unconsciously projecting hopes & fears & images onto plain packets of energy (spirits) that exist?
 
@gibran2
Good question. The author said that he felt a sub-breakthrough is marked by the fact that opening one's eyes changes the scene.
For example, in a sub-breakthrough one might be seeing fantastic CEVs, but opening one's eyes during that shows mere slight OEVs.
In the author's full-breakthrough, he opened his eyes to discover absolutely no change: the CEV scene remained with eyes wide open.
As he opened his eyes there was a metallic sound, when he closed his eyes there was a metallic sound, yet the scene remained constant.
Of course there is the chance that author merely thought he was opening and closing his eyes during that time, perhaps it was all CEVs.
No proof, but the author is quite sure that he had 100% OEVs AND he ended the trip looking to his right (thus turned his physical head.)
Perhaps it is surprising that one could have a full-breakthrough while remaining centered enough to slightly move eyes, lips, and head.
I don't think anyone can walk around during a full-breakthrough, of course, but in this author's experience, head movement was possible.

But again, let's not lose sight of the forest for the trees. What do you think about the "A and B" idea? I haven't seen this expressed.
Of everything I've read here, I haven't seen anyone discuss the possibility of BOTH "mental projection" and "spirit reality" being true.

In life, we often simply consciously or unconsciously recycle ideas we heard elsewhere, but I really think this is an original new idea.
I even think this idea would also explain why Dreams are so different from Hyperspace, while it explains the foundation linking the two.
Imagine that your mind (collection of ideas, memories, etc.) does the painting overlay, but that under the overlay, is an energy reality.








Any thoughts about that last sentence?
 
Ya said:
What do you think about the "A and B" idea? I haven't seen this expressed.
Of everything I've read here, I haven't seen anyone discuss the possibility of BOTH "mental projection" and "spirit reality" being true.

In life, we often simply consciously or unconsciously recycle ideas we heard elsewhere, but I really think this is an original new idea.
I even think this idea would also explain why Dreams are so different from Hyperspace, while it explains the foundation linking the two.
Imagine that your mind (collection of ideas, memories, etc.) does the painting overlay, but that under the overlay, is an energy reality.


Any thoughts about that last sentence?
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Regarding your conclusion:

I’ve stated that same conclusion repeatedly, as have others. Maybe not as explicitly, but I think it’s a common, natural, intuitive conclusion.

I like the analogy comparing the brain and “hyperspace signals” to a television and TV signals. If we extend this analogy to your conclusion, then we could conclude that how a television displays an image depends on the television: an old black-and-white TV will display a low-resolution black-and-white image. An HD TV will display a high-resolution full-color image. The various TVs don’t change the signal, but rather interpret the signal differently, resulting in different renderings of the image.

Your conclusion seems very reasonable, especially since we encounter this phenomenon all the time via our senses: Our senses don’t “read” the environment in a direct way, but rather our brain interprets signals to provide us with a subjective picture of the world.

For example, with our eyes and their lenses we perceive more distant objects as being smaller, when in fact the size of objects does not change with distance. We sense smells with our olfactory apparatus, yet “smell” is an abstraction created by our brains. Things don’t actually have smells – different molecules have different shapes, different functional groups and projections, different patterns of electron tunneling, etc. and our brain examines these characteristics and creates something we call smell.

Color is another abstraction created by the brain. So is taste. Emotions are pure abstractions. Etc.

So if our everyday perception is an abstraction or interpretation of the interaction of our senses and the environment, then it seems reasonable that the same would be true of hyperspace, but to an even greater degree perhaps.

Let’s imagine that hyperspace is “real”, but that it isn’t a material, physical “place” in the way that our physical universe is. Then how would we go about sensing it? We really don’t have the sensory apparatus to sense it in a more “direct” way, so our minds must “abstract” the signals. What we end up with is, as you suggest, the brain’s interpretation of signals originating from outside of the brain.

As I said, this is a reasonable conclusion, since our perception of everyday reality is essentially the same thing.
 
I'm glad to read your reply, Gibran2.

About the false-dichotomy of "real spirits" vs. "mental creations", I'm glad to see you have come to the same conclusion.

Please forgive the fact that I mistakenly thought the "both are true at the same time" conclusion hadn't been expressed before.
You've stated that same conclusion repeatedly, as have others? Then MUCH respect for having stated the false-dichotemy is false.
I somehow had gotten the impression that most folks see the question as being "A or B" so I'm glad to hear you see it as "BOTH".

House talked about seeing scaffolding, yet I hadn't noticed anyone saying "spirits are plain energy packets which we 'dress up'."
I currently think that on DMT some mental filters are temporarily removed, allowing us to see faster-vibrating-energy-collections,
( "spirits" ) which we paint over, specifically with the degree of abstractness being relative to the degree of unconsciousness.

Thank you for seriously considering what I was offering, and thank you for politely pointing out that it has already been offered.

I'm happy to have received your thoughtful reply Gilbro :) Thank you. :)
 
Ya said:
Back to what was actually written in the fantasy fiction above, I think that the conclusion is important: any thoughts about this new "A and B" idea?
Namely: people who see entities in Hyperspace are unconsciously projecting hopes & fears & images onto plain packets of energy (spirits) that exist?
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Perhaps we are ourselves both the packets of energy and the painting of it. Perhaps we are energy and paint. Infinite existence,the only cause ... with a dynamic aspect, namely duality, that 'paints' hopes & fears and me's & you's.
 
Ya, I like your prayer. As I read I was hopping you would allow the shop keeper or then maybe the samurai - it certainly felt as if you were asking yourself if the ego should be let go. Thanks for sharing.
 
Not to beat a dead horse, but it seems flushing all your stuff on the whim of a being you saw while smoking the most powerful psychedelic we know of would only be rational if your were actually visited by the authorities shortly thereafter. Is it safe to assume this never happened? That life went on and somewhere in hyperspace a whimsical being is laughing that humans are so easy to control and influence? This does not equate a rational action. You should always "sleep on it" when you get urges from the spice. Case in point: early in my study of the Molecule I was having a rough pharmahuasca night and became convinced that the "Men in Black" were coming for me. Would the rational thing be to destroy the evidence? No, I have enough experience with the molecule to roll with whatever happens during the trip, then proceed the next day from a clear mind. I have acted on many things the molecule has shown me, but AFTER I slept on it and let the idea percolate.

That being said I love how vivid your recall is of you night with the molecule. However, it seems your frequent uttering of thanks came from a place of fear and was used as a defense to desperately come back to our reality rather than truly soak up your surroundings. And opening your eyes in a breakthrough does seem strange. When I'm deep into the molecule I don't remember my eyes or that I'm lying on my bed, I'm THERE, no eyes to open back on earth because earth no longer exists.

Forgive me if I have this all wrong, that may very well be. I'm merely making observations, not judgements.

Either way I think the Molecule just might be calling your name and asking that you take your sense of humor with you next time.
 
Right on Clearlyone. Your first comment, and your username itself, reminds me of a nice story someone posted here: The Egg - Music/Art/Literature - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Yes Clearlyone, I think the love poem to the Universe making one's intent clear helped increase the chance of the eventual result: the carrier wave came, just as hoped for, and it came on strong. Of course some might say that the large dose was the sole factor in the sudden strong arrival of that sacred sound which immediately tunes one into the higher frequency known as hyperspace, but I think it's a combination of BOTH dose and set.

Tetra, to answer your question about whether police later came and did a search or not, here's a question: if someone felt a sudden concern about getting into a car accident, and they acted quickly on that concern by suddenly putting on their seatbelt and starting to drive within the legal limits, but then no accident came, should the person look back and regret putting on their seatbelt as an "irrational" decision?

I think the author above decided to limit his risk, even though it was wasteful. Later, it seems he has decided that he might take the legal risk again, but as most people here know: sometimes we choose to have illegal things in our home, sometimes we choose to NOT have illegal things in our home. Sometimes we choose to throw on the seatbelt suddenly, sometimes we choose to wait a while and "let the idea percolate". Sometimes waiting just one day too long leads to big trouble. Sometimes suddenly acting upon a concern leads to some folks calling that irrational. I think you're right to admit that bringing up this question again would be beating a dead horse.

Now, I agree with you when you wrote, "it seems your frequent uttering of thanks came from a place of fear and was used as a defense to desperately come back to our reality", that is absolutely correct. After the carrier wave, after seeing the jester on the left popping out like a jack-in-the-box announcing "This is it!", the author did try to escape the trip, and thus he did open his eyes to try to see his room for reassurance that the trip was merely CEV, but when he found that the OEV scene was exactly the same as the CEV scene, the author definitely went into Thank You mode, big time. But the author doesn't feel regret at all about that action. He knew BEFORE the trip, as noted in his poem, the importance of Love & Gratitude (the proper antidote to fear.) And right here in the present day, he is totally thankful that he remained centered enough DURING the trip to remind himself to be thankful, and he wisely reminded himself during the trip that it all would pass in a short time, and isn't it wonderful that we are allowed to enter hyperspace AND allowed to come back from hyperspace within a short time. Thank goodness it's a two-way ticket, and not a one-way ticket. Thank goodness we are allowed to come back to being aware of the slower-vibrational-frequency known as everyday reality, where we are allowed to communicate with our loved ones.
 
How would "the author" have any idea whether or not he "had packed and inhaled "too much", much more than the usual 0.05 gram dose people take", if he doesn't own a scale? If "the author" "remained centered enough DURING the trip to remind himself to be thankful, and he wisely reminded himself during the trip that it all would pass in a short time, and isn't it wonderful that we are allowed to enter hyperspace AND allowed to come back from hyperspace within a short time", he probably didn't inhale anything close to "the usual 0.05 gram dose people take"... but thank you, Ya, for breaking shit down once again for the rest of us dilettantes.
 
Ya said " Tetra, to answer your question about whether police later came and did a search or not, here's a question: if someone felt a sudden concern about getting into a car accident, and they acted quickly on that concern by suddenly putting on their seatbelt and starting to drive within the legal limits, but then no accident came, should the person look back and regret putting on their seatbelt as an "irrational" decision? "

-I say, that maybe the police were gonna raid your property, but perhaps by quickly acting on the advice given, the universal consciouseness was altered in a way that would cause the relevant authority (police) to believe that there would be no reason to search your premises, etc. Who knows ??

-Maybe if you didn't smoke the dmt, you would have done something else which would have led to the police paying you a visit and somehow finding your stash, etc....the mind boggles about the funny possabilities that can , and do occur, etc..

-The thing is, posessions are easily replaced, but freedom lost, is lost forever...:shock:
 
Let's see now, chronologically, you Art, a moderator, first personally attacked me when I disagreed with your "Angry Rant Du Jour" (you sent me a PM calling me "batshit crazy" and told me to leave the forum.) Then, you publicly repeatedly posted such "Ya is crazy" statements, and you even wrote a PM to me saying that you imagined I "write with feces" on the wall.

One day, I read a thread in which you posted the following: "if I catch you napping you can bet I'm playing it to my advantage", which surprisingly no one had the balls to tell you, "Hey, Art, taking advantage of people in business is not what the Nexus attitude supports, that's definitely NOT conducting yourself in a manner in which you can be proud."

So I sent you a PM about that quote of yours, and I included a poem explaining that you can make MUCH more profit by NOT taking advantage of people in business, and that humankind is really just ONE. And of course, so that you knew what the poem was in response to, I pasted your "if I catch you napping you can bet I'm playing it to my advantage" quote at the top.

You forwarded around the poem to various moderators as "proof" that I am crazy, but you DIDN'T give them full-disclosure: you deleted the quote of yours from the top of the PM, correct? If what you wrote about "catching people napping" was really in-line with the Nexus attitude, you should have left your quote at the top of the PM which you forwarded around.


Then, you publicly posted your earlier "playing with feces" PM to me, this time you wrote the following remix: "Ya, Somewhere out there, some poor schizophrenic is fingerpainting with his own feces. You make him look sane by comparison." Wonderful, your two favorite themes that keep appearing in your writings: shit and insanity.

Even after all of the many personal "shit & crazy" attacks you have directed towards me, I still took the path less traveled by sending an apology to you through Antrocles, in which I apologized for having sent you that scolding poem about that quote of yours.

How long are you going to hold on to the anger you are carrying around, about the fact that some guy with the username "Ya" has disagreed with some of the statements you made here on the Nexus? Can you please find it in your heart to realize that I really have done nothing to hurt you?

C'mon man, let's start fresh. What do you think?
 
Christian, I totally agree with that view, that if there is a universal consciousness, taking the path of safety can lead the universal consciousness to help increase one's chance of safety, since every living cell within a body is part of the body, and every living organism within the universe is connected to the universal consciousness. Thanks for your positive post.
 
You're welcome, Ya.

-I do believe that there's a lot to be said about the power of our thoughts and intentions. And i believe that we can easily attract good or bad things into our lives depending on what we send out , conscioussly or unconsciouslly.

-Every action has a reaction as they say. And we communicate on a great many levels that whilst we may be unaware of them, others will pick them up,etc,etc.....8)
 
Ya said:
@Gibran2
Good question. The author said that he felt a sub-breakthrough is marked by the fact that opening one's eyes changes the scene.
For example, in a sub-breakthrough one might be seeing fantastic CEVs, but opening one's eyes during that shows mere slight OEVs.
In the author's full-breakthrough, he opened his eyes to discover absolutely no change: the CEV scene remained with eyes wide open.
As he opened his eyes there was a metallic sound, when he closed his eyes there was a metallic sound, yet the scene remained constant.
Of course there is the chance that author merely thought he was opening and closing his eyes during that time, perhaps it was all CEVs.
No proof, but the author is quite sure that he had 100% OEVs AND he ended the trip looking to his right (thus turned his physical head.)
Perhaps it is surprising that one could have a full-breakthrough while remaining centered enough to slightly move eyes, lips, and head.
I don't think anyone can walk around during a full-breakthrough, of course, but in this author's experience, head movement was possible.
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100% CEV is not the same as a breakthrough. It might be close too it but when breaking through you go elsewhere and you leave this reality. You're no more aware of this place. You transcend this world and "forget" about it.

So what you experienced was not a full breakthrough even thou you had an intense trip.


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I can see part of your trip being kind of a full breakthrough, but while aware of your surroundings and this existence you're not breaking through.
 
DMTripper said:
I can see part of your trip being kind of a full breakthrough, but while aware of your surroundings and this existence you're not breaking through.
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I don't believe this is true, and that it varies from person to person. SWIM always remains somewhat aware of her body during her breakthroughs. Even when she was taking severely large dosages.
 
I just think you're a dope, Ya - that's all. Creepy anonymous PM's aside, there's little about you I don't find annoying.
 
Art, I understand if you dont like Ya, we're not obliged to like everybody in this forum, but we have to accept each other as long as nobody goes against the required attitude.

I know you have your own personal style of writing that is a bit more "no sugar toping" than others, but I also think it's a reasonable request from Ya to start things clean, to not keep writing in confrontational way towards him, and he asked respectfully. I think if you have some specific aspect about Ya's behavior you dont like this could be discussed to reach some sort of acceptance of each other even if you wont be best friends.

Ya, I think the fact you know your way of writing raises some emotions in Art, I think it would be reasonable if you would avoid sending him poems/pms or things that can just create more confrontation. To both of you, I think we could discuss this from now on in private, maybe in chat, or pm, or making some other subforum for you/us to talk about it if you want.

Please let's improve what we can and move on :)
 
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