Surprising Conclusion

[corpus callosum]

IMO, the biggest determinant of the nature of the experience (if we assume no other drugs on board and an appropriate setting) is the mindset at and during the launch and the rate of inhalation.I have read reports of DMT users meeting entities which operate on them, or impart some element of knowledge or wisdom but I personally have not had such trips.I dont discount the veracity of these reports because my own experiences have had a whole range of flavors.

Most here will be familiar with the concept of 'the elves' and the 'welcome' they can offer and I suspect that quite often, those who are questioning whether or not theyve broken through do so because they are expecting this kind of effect and didnt get it.I think that one can visit the same dimension of the DMT space consistently if the dose and preparation (ie FB/changa) taken is the same, consumed in the same fashion but most importantly, IME, if the mindset is the same.The only way Ive found to achieve this (and this is a consequence of doing pretty heavy dose LSD trips alone) is to really empty the mind fully of any notions and simply observe without imparting meaning or analysis of the trip.

I recently smoked a bowl of changa (caapi x11 with DMT in a 1 : 1 ratio) which I worked out had 47mg of DMT in it in one hit in a small waterbong and there was no 'carrier wave' or piercing of a 'membrane' or vaulted dome.On lying back with eyes closed I found myself in a space which to me had 3 dimensions; a wall of undulating gold bricks encrusted with emerald green facets along the bricks' edges formed to my right and its surface seemed to bubble and writhe gently.Then suddenly a hole appeared in this wall through which immediately a jesters head and torso appeared; it had a large grin across its face with the most even of white teeth and it extended its arms expansively towards me whilst launching what appeared exactly like a 70s disco glass multi-faceted ceiling ball at me.This sped towards me incredibly fast but before striking me in the place where my face would be, it exploded into a myriad of shards which continued towards my 'face' and I registered a sensation of being struck by these fragments distinctly on a face which I didnt have.Telepathically the sense was one of a great and heartfelt welcome.Was this a breakthrough despite no carrierwave, piercing a vault etc? I would say yes because, IMO, the best indicator of how deep youve been is the duration of unnervingly vivid CEVs.The duration for this trip was over 12 minutes and I have been this incapacitated for this long with changa quite a few times and Ive had trips over 10 minutes with FB a couple of times (40mg and 47mg both in one breath).

To 'breakthrough' I think you need an appropriate dose, a death-like passive serenity in your mind, and the ability to simply observe.'Let yourself be' as the cliche goes.

 

[polytrip]

IMO, the biggest determinant of the nature of the experience (if we assume no other drugs on board and an appropriate setting) is the mindset at and during the launch and the rate of inhalation.I have read reports of DMT users meeting entities which operate on them, or impart some element of knowledge or wisdom but I personally have not had such trips.I dont discount the veracity of these reports because my own experiences have had a whole range of flavors.

Most here will be familiar with the concept of 'the elves' and the 'welcome' they can offer and I suspect that quite often, those who are questioning whether or not theyve broken through do so because they are expecting this kind of effect and didnt get it.I think that one can visit the same dimension of the DMT space consistently if the dose and preparation (ie FB/changa) taken is the same, consumed in the same fashion but most importantly, IME, if the mindset is the same.The only way Ive found to achieve this (and this is a consequence of doing pretty heavy dose LSD trips alone) is to really empty the mind fully of any notions and simply observe without imparting meaning or analysis of the trip.

I recently smoked a bowl of changa (caapi x11 with DMT in a 1 : 1 ratio) which I worked out had 47mg of DMT in it in one hit in a small waterbong and there was no 'carrier wave' or piercing of a 'membrane' or vaulted dome.On lying back with eyes closed I found myself in a space which to me had 3 dimensions; a wall of undulating gold bricks encrusted with emerald green facets along the bricks' edges formed to my right and its surface seemed to bubble and writhe gently.Then suddenly a hole appeared in this wall through which immediately a jesters head and torso appeared; it had a large grin across its face with the most even of white teeth and it extended its arms expansively towards me whilst launching what appeared exactly like a 70s disco glass multi-faceted ceiling ball at me.This sped towards me incredibly fast but before striking me in the place where my face would be, it exploded into a myriad of shards which continued towards my 'face' and I registered a sensation of being struck by these fragments distinctly on a face which I didnt have.Telepathically the sense was one of a great and heartfelt welcome.Was this a breakthrough despite no carrierwave, piercing a vault etc? I would say yes because, IMO, the best indicator of how deep youve been is the duration of unnervingly vivid CEVs.The duration for this trip was over 12 minutes and I have been this incapacitated for this long with changa quite a few times and Ive had trips over 10 minutes with FB a couple of times (40mg and 47mg both in one breath).

To 'breakthrough' I think you need an appropriate dose, a death-like passive serenity in your mind, and the ability to simply observe.'Let yourself be' as the cliche goes.

I more and more start to believe that people have a huge influence on eachother in how they experience psychedelic's. Many people have been hugely influenced by terrence mckenna and many people here must also influence eachoter with their reports. When i am tripping with somebody else, we always have very simmilar experiences. So then you could automatically get within groups like nexians, a certain belief of what a DMT experience is supposed to be like, because so many people have had so much of the same experiences.

 

[DMTripper]

It's ridiculous how defensive some people here can get. Hahahahaha
When this thread turned into the definition of a breakthrough I made a comment.
And then later decided to explain what I define as a breakthrough.

That's all. I made two posts and some people here just can't handle it.
People are quite often discussing this here on the nexus, what defines a breakthrough. And I don't agree when people call sub-breakthrough's a full breakthrough. Because there's a BIG difference almost breaking through or totally breaking through. And what the OP posted is not a full breakthrough in my opinion.

Sometimes threads evolve into something different from the OP's first post. That's how forums work, ok!

 

[christian]

i'm thinking about writing a book. The last 3 pages of content should fill it nicely, ha ha !

- It will be called " surprisingly long conclusions " !:lol:

 

[polytrip]

It's ridiculous how defensive some people here can get. Hahahahaha
When this thread turned into the definition of a breakthrough I made a comment.
And then later decided to explain what I define as a breakthrough.

That's all. I made two posts and some people here just can't handle it.
People are quite often discussing this here on the nexus, what defines a breakthrough. And I don't agree when people call sub-breakthrough's a full breakthrough. Because there's a BIG difference almost breaking through or totally breaking through. And what the OP posted is not a full breakthrough in my opinion.

Sometimes threads evolve into something different from the OP's first post. That's how forums work, ok!

I can totally understand why people get so defensive. Deep, powerfull psychedelic experiences often have a very important meaning for the ones having them because it touches something so deep within them.
If someone then (unintentionally) seems to dismiss their experiences in some way, that feels not nice.

I have the same reflexes myself. In a discussion on ego death, i had a broader definition of that term and when someone went to me like "hey, if you define ego-death that way, you didn't have it" i initially felt something like "man, don't try to take these experiences away from me", but even if it where just because responding defensively would have contradicted any form of 'ego-relativity awareness' it was better not to get into that sort of shit.

 

[jamie]

Funny words, but what is the point of being so linear about all of this?
"breakthrough" is just a funny word. It is not limited to DMT, or to a certain dose..

 

[polytrip]

Funny words, but what is the point of being so linear about all of this?
"breakthrough" is just a funny word. It is not limited to DMT, or to a certain dose..

Yeah, i agree with this. I don't know why i'm being linear sometimes. Maybe i've got aspergers or something:wink:

 

[Ellis D'Empty]

It's ridiculous how defensive some people here can get. Hahahahaha
When this thread turned into the definition of a breakthrough I made a comment.
And then later decided to explain what I define as a breakthrough.

That's all. I made two posts and some people here just can't handle it.
People are quite often discussing this here on the nexus, what defines a breakthrough. And I don't agree when people call sub-breakthrough's a full breakthrough. Because there's a BIG difference almost breaking through or totally breaking through. And what the OP posted is not a full breakthrough in my opinion.

Sometimes threads evolve into something different from the OP's first post. That's how forums work, ok!

I dunno, I just find it incredibly rude and disrespectful to take a thread from someone who made the thread, and talk about your opinion on something not even related to the topic. Yes forums do grow, but they have threads created for specific reasons, and if you only feel the need to post your opinion on something that the thread is not even about... and then turn and call people being disrespected "defensive"? Sorry boy, but I don't agree with it. And its sad that this is what the Nexus has turned into... seems to get a lot more "anger" with each post I read...

Maybe you can't handle just keeping your opinion to yourself?

Anyways, I already said my thoughts, and as this thread has been turned from a fine experience report into a thread discussing the term 'breakthrough' and how yours/theirs is right and mine/ours is wrong (not personally, please)... it makes me understand why I stopped replying to a lot of people...

Anyways, follow the light people Much love, and I hope either this thread gets closed (which I'm sorry Ya, but people just can't seem to get past the fact that your term for breakthrough differs from theirs) or people get back on track to the actual topic at hand... which is an experience report. Not one person has thanked Ya for his report (or maybe two people have I'm not sure) but it seems that some people on the Nexus just maybe have been here to long and don't think that they should give the same treatment to others. I dunno, I'm done though.

 

[gibran2]

I dunno, I just find it incredibly rude and disrespectful to take a thread from someone who made the thread, and talk about your opinion on something not even related to the topic. Yes forums do grow, but they have threads created for specific reasons, and if you only feel the need to post your opinion on something that the thread is not even about... and then turn and call people being disrespected "defensive"? Sorry boy, but I don't agree with it. And its sad that this is what the Nexus has turned into... seems to get a lot more "anger" with each post I read...

Maybe you can't handle just keeping your opinion to yourself?

Anyways, I already said my thoughts, and as this thread has been turned from a fine experience report into a thread discussing the term 'breakthrough' and how yours/theirs is right and mine/ours is wrong (not personally, please)... it makes me understand why I stopped replying to a lot of people...

Anyways, follow the light people Much love, and I hope either this thread gets closed (which I'm sorry Ya, but people just can't seem to get past the fact that your term for breakthrough differs from theirs) or people get back on track to the actual topic at hand... which is an experience report. Not one person has thanked Ya for his report (or maybe two people have I'm not sure) but it seems that some people on the Nexus just maybe have been here to long and don't think that they should give the same treatment to others. I dunno, I'm done though.

If I start a thread that includes topics X, Y, and Z, I won’t be surprised when respondents make posts about X, Y, and Z. I won’t say “I only want you to respond to topic Z” and get all upset if someone comments on topic X or Y.

If I only want a discussion about topic Z, then I’ll make a post that includes only topic Z.

Is any of that unreasonable?

I think it’s reasonable for all of us to assume that anything we post is subject to the scrutiny of other forum members. If that makes you feel uncomfortable or defensive, then maybe you should ask yourself the reasons for posting in the first place.


More specifically, when someone makes a post and identifies a “breakthrough” experience, and then goes on to describe the experience, and if it sounds nothing like a breakthrough experience, is there anything wrong with asking questions about the experience?

This is what I did, and rather than help me to better understand his experience, Ya became extremely defensive. I’ve asked similar questions about others’ experiences and have never before encountered such defensiveness.

Although this thread has strayed from its original topic, I don’t see that as a problem. This happens with many threads, and is not a reason to close the thread. To the contrary, I think that the natural evolution of this thread has brought up some interesting ideas and opinions. It’s all about the path, not the destination.

 

[endlessness]

Sorry boy, but I don't agree with it.

Disagreeing and not following the original thread theme is very common and perfectly understandable. In fact this freedom is often source of a lot of learning, unexpected interesting discussions or pure fun (not saying this is necessarily the case here). In any case do note that if the thread OP or people in general want, we can always move the unrelated posts into a new thread, or some existing and more appropriate thread.

What is not good is when disagreeing turns into confrontation. I think when you used the word "boy", you are basicaly falling for the exact same mistake you are trying to denounce, in possibly further degenerating the atmosphere and increasing confrontation. It gives an air of supposed superiority to your post, and can be the start for another negative answer back from someone.

Lets disagree, but do it respectfully, not only by not openly calling others names, but by being aware of how we talk and what kind of tone our words transmit.

Enoon's communication thread is wonderful in this sense, I think people here would do good reading it


edit: By the way im in no way picking sides here, I also think everybody else (me included ) should try to be aware of how they express themselves, if there isnt a better way to get the message across, and how to prevent disagreements to turn into anger or unnecessary confrontation, etc.

You are all my brothers and sisters and I love you all, even if the sunday family dinner occasionally turns into big drama

 

[Ya]

Just a quick note to Ellis Thank you I am thankful for your sharing.

Surprising Conclusion - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

(Isn't it ironic how we humans spend so much energy replying to negative
comments, but then spend so little energy replying to positive comments?)

Well, I feel that I should just open up the floor to whatever you want to say.
Nevermind the "on-topic" request, feel free to write whatever you all feel now.

Honestly, I feel disappointed the community didn't live up to the attitude page.
Do you all remember YOUR first report here at the Nexus where you shared it all?

How would YOU feel: if the first person to reply to your report gave advice about
hearing an order from an entity, when you did NOT hear an order from any entity,
and then the next person begins a personal "breakthrough denial" campaign (which
he later back-pedals out of) then 1 normal positive commenter, then another guy
repeats advice about an entity order that never happened, then another guy comes
and says that the experience experienced (i.e. vaporizing a huge pile of spice &
being fully stuck in hyperspace, closed-eyed and open-eyed, yet still somehow being
able to remember to thank goodness for the fact that it will all pass soon) probably
didn't happen, then 1 more normal positive commenter, then a third denier came and
wrote "what you experienced was not a full breakthrough", yet then back-pedaled in
the same post, then the initial breakthrough definer/denier claims his question was
ignored, when obviously it was promptly and politely answered, then many repeats of
the same negativeness from the same negative people, but then some nice posts from
kind people, (then the "what you experienced was not a full breakthrough" guy returns
and tries to claim he just merely gave his definition, when his quote was very clear,)
then some more kind, positive posts... Actually, now that I add it up, there were only
5 members who went against Nexus attitude (Seraph,gibran2,tetra,ArtVanD'lay,DMTripper)
but 10 members who showed the Nexus attitude of RESPECT for members' experience reports:

clearlyone, christian, ragabr, endlessness, polytrip, ewok, Ellis D'Empty, corpus callosum, fractal enchantment

I bow to you in my heart, just as I bowed to the 7 directions of the Universe 20 minutes after my first breakthrough.

Even though there is negativity in the Universe, there is double the positivity. And even the negativity has positivity inside. Yin Yang Symbol.

In my experience, in my life, nothing bad has ever happened to me. Because those things which seemed unfortunate in the past, always turn out to be merely the Universe was arranging for fortunate things to blossom in the present. Everything that happened in our lives led up to the fact that we are with our loved ones now, don't you think? I wouldn't change a single thing. For example, if the deniers of my first breakthrough have led to me noticing and advancing someone else's theory that non-disassociative breakthroughs occur more with less contaminants, then regardless of whether that theory is right or wrong, if it leads to some chemist announcing a month or a year from now that Yes, lighter ether leads to purer DMT, however slight the difference may be, than I will say to the Universe, "Thank you! Thank you for having sent me those negative 5 posters, you always have a plan, you are always doing what is best for all the cells within your Self which is billions of galaxies wide! Whatever comes into my life should be received with thanks, because everything you send me is a present. Each present moment is a present. Presents for growth for myself. Presents for growth for others. Nothing but presents. Opportunities to stretch and grow. Thank you Universe! I love you so much."

All is reflection, just like House said. House, my brother in America, do you remember when things looked so dark for you, when you and your girl were about to become homeless? Remember that I didn't offer you my home in Japan because "I" wanted to, the Universe was offering you a choice through one of it's many puppets. Minx do you remember the time I told you how to live car free since you posted that you wanted to and also how you would find her life partner soon and to just keep looking for him, and you did and you found Fractal soon after, the Universe works through everyone. I think the Universe sends us messages everyday, not literally messages with literal words heard by the ears, but situations and feelings felt by our hearts, and the Universe is always hoping that we will choose the path that leads to the best interests of the Universe, while it gives us the free will to choose when to listen to its messages and when to not listen to its messages. Sometimes we ignore the messages from the Universe, sometimes we listen. When we listen to the Universe AND do as it wills, there definitely comes an immediate feeling of "Good." No matter what, as long we try to help lives around us continue to live and prosper and be happy, we are doing the will of the Universe. So again, Universe, thank you. Thank you for everything.

"Thank you Universe, for what you've done for me. Thank you Universe, for what you're doing now. Thank you Universe, for every little thing. Thank you Universe, for you make me sing. I wanna sing it now, sing it now! There is no competition, but I've made my decision, you can keep your religion, I'll just call on the wise man communion: Thank you Universe for..." forever and ever and ever.

The beginning.

Hey my 5 "negative" posters, no wait, 6 including Acolon from a previous thread, how about I open up the mic so that you can tell everyone how my posts have made you feel, and that way you'll feel better. I told what I didn't like about what you wrote, and now you can tell what you didn't like about what I wrote. Real talk. Really get it out there. Lay it all out. It feels good. You don't have to say, "Well, no disrespect but..." that reverse-talk isn't needed anymore, the rules have suddenly changed. No rules. I'm inviting you to really go against the Nexus attitude and say something like "Well, full-disrespect, when you posted X, Y, and Z, you really..." and then write your feelings! It's so liberating to say what you feel, because after saying it, you'll probably realize you no longer feel so much negativity. For example, hey Art, how can we go into silent mode without first giving you a chance to show the community the ultra "icky" poem of advice I sent you? Go ahead, you can post it, no problem, I posted your quote so everyone has read that, it's only fair that you should be allowed to post the poem which hurt your feelings. Let me see it again so that I can really apologize from the bottom of my heart.

How about let's turn this thread from the "Don't say this, don't say that thread" to the "Say whatever you want, who gives a f*ck thread!" Ha! How's THAT for a "surprising conclusion." C'mon Art, post the poem! *everyone starts chanting* Post the poem! Show the Nexus how crazy this guy is! A good diss at this moment would be, "I don't have to post anything, your posts right now show you to be bonkers!" Ha-Ha, but really, I sure would like to see that poem again. As I recall, it had perfect 10 syllables per line. Don't go editing it though, post the whole thing uncensored.

Good times. Hey folks, remember that guy who received his shipment of mimosa, and the first thing he did was make an apple pipe and load up a bowl? Gammagore, I'll bet you remember that shot! "So, I just throw this purple powder together with some lemon juice, and voila, pure white DMT right?" Ha-Ha! You were one of the folks I remember as being warm to me when I first came here. You, and Obliguhl. Haven't seem you much lately Gamma, where's that happy monkey face? I hope all is well with you. Hey Obliguhl, do you remember when you were talking about destroying yourself, and no one seemed to be stepping up to pull you back from the brink, so I wrote a positive spin on that that you probably just meant you wanted to let go of an old IMAGE of yourself, remember that post? I guess you managed to come back from the brink by yourself. Right on!

There are so many folks here that I feel I've helped. And for any who I have hurt, I seriously apologize. If ANYONE has received a PM from me, whether good or bod, please feel free to post it here. Let's call this the "Hate Ya, Love Ya" thread, and then move on, so that in the future, when I post, you can simply focus on the words I write at that moment, and not all the baggage you're carrying around from the past.

Well, I could just wuss out and delete this whole post, as if it never was written, but I think I'll let it stand as it is and hit the post button now.

I wonder what will be posted in reply? Whatever comes, I will simply tell myself, "This is the Universe talking to me. Whatever the Universe has to say through the words of these sparks of the Universal Consciousness, I will take in as messages from the Universe. Thank you!" Praise, condemnation, silence. Ha-ha, silence would probably be the deepest message.

 

[gibran2]

I think you're enjoying the attention.

 

[jamie]

"How would YOU feel: if the first person to reply to your report gave advice about
hearing an order from an entity, when you did NOT hear an order from any entity,
and then the next person begins a personal "breakthrough denial" campaign (which
he later back-pedals out of) then 1 normal positive commenter, then another guy
repeats advice about an entity order that never happened, then another guy comes
and says that the experience experienced (i.e. vaporizing a huge pile of spice &
being fully stuck in hyperspace, closed-eyed and open-eyed, yet still somehow being
able to remember to thank goodness for the fact that it will all pass soon) probably
didn't happen, then 1 more normal positive commenter, then a third denier came and
wrote "what you experienced was not a full breakthrough", yet then back-pedaled in
the same post, then the initial breakthrough definer/denier claims his question was
ignored, when obviously it was promptly and politely answered, then many repeats of
the same negativeness from the same negative people, but then some nice posts from
kind people, (then the "what you experienced was not a full breakthrough" guy returns
and tries to claim he just merely gave his definition, when his quote was very clear,)
then some more kind, positive posts... Actually, now that I add it up, there were only
5 members who went against Nexus attitude (Seraph,gibran2,tetra,ArtVanD'lay,DMTripper)
but 10 members who showed the Nexus attitude of RESPECT for members' experience reports:"

Wholy shit run on sentence! but yeah, Ya I get what you are saying. These things are so subjective and personal you cant really hold them to some objectified standard. Yes there is a level where most often contact with body will be lost etc, but that doesnt mean a certain dose level will always do that every single time. It also does not mean that the level of bodily dosconnection dictates the level of impact an experience leaves on a person.

 

[Ya]

G-bo, my philosophical pal, don't hold back, you could've wrote "Attention wh*re!" Go for it!
Yeah fractal, I get what you are saying. Thank you Fractal, Thank you Gibran. Thanks for commenting.
I'd better get some sleep now. See you all tomorrow. If you decide to lock this thread, that's fine too.

 

[DMTripper]

... Actually, now that I add it up, there were only
5 members who went against Nexus attitude (Seraph,gibran2,tetra,ArtVanD'lay,DMTripper)
but 10 members who showed the Nexus attitude of RESPECT for members' experience reports:

Can you please quote me exactly where I went against the Nexus attitude please?

 

[gibran2]

G-bo, my philosophical pal, don't hold back, you could've wrote "Attention wh*re!" Go for it!

Now see, it’s remarks like that that destroy your legitimacy. You claim to be above the pettiness you perceive in your threads, and then you go and make a comment like that. How disappointing.

The first response to this thread, by Seraph, held a positive message: “You are in control of your actions”, and you responded with a sarcastic brush-off. You set the tone for the rest of the thread with that post.

... Actually, now that I add it up, there were only
5 members who went against Nexus attitude (Seraph,gibran2,tetra,ArtVanD'lay,DMTripper)
but 10 members who showed the Nexus attitude of RESPECT for members' experience reports:

Certainly your sarcasm and passive-aggressive responses are not in the spirit of the Nexus attitude, so maybe you should take a closer look at yourself?

I find it interesting that those who disagree with you, regardless of how delicately and politely, are lumped together by you into the “Violators of Nexus Attitude Gang of Five”. Would you prefer that everyone simply nod in agreement with your ideas, or would you prefer that those who disagree with your ideas don’t voice their opinions at all?


FREE THE NEXUS GANG OF FIVE!

 

[jamie]

... Actually, now that I add it up, there were only
5 members who went against Nexus attitude (Seraph,gibran2,tetra,ArtVanD'lay,DMTripper)
but 10 members who showed the Nexus attitude of RESPECT for members' experience reports:

Can you please quote me exactly where I went against the Nexus attitude please?

I am sort of interested in where this went on as well..I dont see it anywhere in the posts.

 

[Ellis D'Empty]

It's ridiculous how defensive some people here can get. Hahahahaha
When this thread turned into the definition of a breakthrough I made a comment.
And then later decided to explain what I define as a breakthrough.

That's all. I made two posts and some people here just can't handle it.
People are quite often discussing this here on the nexus, what defines a breakthrough. And I don't agree when people call sub-breakthrough's a full breakthrough. Because there's a BIG difference almost breaking through or totally breaking through. And what the OP posted is not a full breakthrough in my opinion.

Sometimes threads evolve into something different from the OP's first post. That's how forums work, ok!

I replied to this post purposely with the term "boy" in my previous. Because of said bold things above.


I agree with everyone having their own opinion, their own say... but when the thread poster clearly states that the discussion is not about whether or not he 'broke through'. In his eyes he did, just because YOU don't think he did, you feel you have the need to say so? Why? My problem is just that. Its HIS thread, he made it, and others stole it for the sole reason of trying to convey their message of what they thought a breakthrough was, and didn't contribute anything else to the experience report other than that.... I'm not saying everyone, I'm not saying every post either, it just seemed that everyone was hellbent on explaining their viewpoint on whether or not he "broke through" which is IMHO disrespectful.

But w/e, it's not a big deal to me, I just wanted to point out that people were being disrespectful to the OP, and it even seemed like some didn't even read the thread at all -.-


I do apologize to DMTripper for addressing him in the statement of "boy", and I did it on purpose to get the point across.

And Ya, I don't see why you continue to fuel the fire either, there are a lot of respectful replies, and you continue when you could have just stopped.

 

[Ya]

Yeah Ellis, you're right, I could just stop now and refuse to write anymore, but I'm going to respond to Gibran's & DMTripper's hurt feelings.

It seems you are confident that your comments on this thread WERE in line with the nexus attitude, am I correct in that inferences?
It seems you are confident that it was unjust for me to say, "I think your comments were NOT in line with the nexus attitude." Right?

Well, Gibran, first off on June 6th at 7:35AM I asked you a question which needs to be answered so that I can answer your question properly:

Gibran2, you wrote, "This sounds like an intense breakthrough, but I’m surprised that you were still in your body – able to experiment with opening and closing your eyes, making attempts to speak, etc. Not to diminish your experience, but it actually sounds like a rather “typical” breakthrough (with the understanding that no breakthrough is really “typical”). I’m wondering if you agree? How was this breakthrough different from others you had prior to it?"

It seems to me that the jist of what you were trying to convey was, "This sounds like an intense SUB-breakthrough, because you were still in your body – able to experiment with opening and closing your eyes, making attempts to speak, etc. Not to diminish your experience, but it actually sounds like a rather “typical” SUB-breakthrough (with the understanding that no DMT experience is really “typical”). I’m wondering if you agree that your experience was actually SUB-breakthrough? How was this supposed "breakthrough" you described above different from the SUB-breakthroughs you had prior to it? Basically, I think you merely had a SUB-breakthrough." Is this close to the jist of what you were trying to convey?

9 hours later, the question was asked again:

Gibran, to avoid any further confusion, could you please share your answer to the simple question asked in post #25?

It seems to me that the jist of what you were trying to convey was, "This sounds like an intense SUB-breakthrough, because you were still in your body – able to experiment with opening and closing your eyes, making attempts to speak, etc. Not to diminish your experience, but it actually sounds like a rather “typical” SUB-breakthrough (with the understanding that no DMT experience is really “typical”). I’m wondering if you agree that your experience was actually SUB-breakthrough? How was this supposed "breakthrough" you described above different from the SUB-breakthroughs you had prior to it? Basically, I think you merely had a SUB-breakthrough." Is this close to the jist of what you were trying to convey?

2 days later, let's finally clear up the confusion about whether my inference does indeed match your implication.

Gibran, if you can be honest enough to answer the simple question above,
then we can see whether or not it was truly unjust for me to say to you,
"I think your comments were NOT in line with the nexus attitude."

DMTripper, I hope you can wait for Gibran to answer the simple question above,
then we can see whether or not it was truly unjust for me to say to you as well,
"I think your comments were NOT in line with the nexus attitude."

 

[gibran2]

Gibran, if you can be honest enough to answer the simple question above,
then we can see whether or not it was truly unjust for me to say to you,
"I think your comments were NOT in line with the nexus attitude."

DMTripper, I hope you can wait for Gibran to answer the simple question above,
then we can see whether or not it was truly unjust for me to say to you as well,
"I think your comments were NOT in line with the nexus attitude."

OK Ya, I’ll address your post. But first, I must point out that you rarely do the same. In my previous post, I expressed my disappointment in your crude passive-aggressive remark addressed toward me. Do you have any comments regarding why you made such a remark?

I also pointed out that Seraph (in post #2) actually made a very good point and was obviously trying to be helpful. You responded to him with sarcasm. Why?

Then you make a mostly baseless accusation against 5 Nexus members, claiming that they violated the “attitude”. Other than Art, the only “violation” was a difference of opinion. Why specifically have you made these baseless accusations?

Finally, you continue to harp on this “breakthrough” issue. I respectfully referred to your “breakthrough” as a breakthrough because that’s what you called it. I did not then, and will not now, challenge your subjective experience. The description of your experience led me to believe that something about it was atypical. I still believe that. I would like you to explain to me how acknowledging that we define the term “breakthrough” differently and how believing that your experience was atypical constitutes a violation of the Nexus attitude. I disagree with you on a number of issues. How is that being “not in line” with the Nexus attitude?

I really think you owe me and at least 3 other Nexus members an apology. Simple, respectful disagreement is not a violation of the Nexus attitude. And I do believe that, with one notable exception, respect has been shown. It seems your complaint is that we haven’t been respectful enough and don’t agree with you.

Now, I don’t really expect you to respond to this post in a rational, coherent, and direct manner. I’ve asked you several very specific questions, and I doubt that you’ll answer them. It would be nice, as a sign of respect, if you’d take the time to answer them. (And I don’t consider a long post of cut-and-paste snippets in a rainbow of colors and font decorations to be a direct answer to the questions asked.)