Synthetic RC's killing kids

[slewb]

You can't really blame the kids who OD'd for not doing their research... they were told by someone they trusted that what they were taking was a mushroom extract cooked into chocolate. That doesn't sound that far-fetched to me. You can blame the asshole who told them it was a mushroom extract but later told the police that he had no idea what it actually was.

 

[Philosopher]

Agreed Slewb. Bottom line. Don't take powders unless you know that it couldnt possibly be something besides what you think it is, because white powders do all sorts of stuff, and one sniff of the wrong kind and life is over. I'm a teenager and I've been offered cocaine a bunch of times at parties, I know it doesnt have anything lethal in it, but I also know it isnt cocaine. Just because I live in Detroit and no one I know extracts cocaine, therefor it has been cut or just flat out replaced by some other white powder. Not just cocaine, my friend, FRIEND said he had some psilocybin extract he got from a friend and he loved it. When I asked where his friend got it he had no idea, unless you have seen where it has come from dont touch the powders. General rule. Its not worth dying. Or leaving your family in that sort of way.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

You can't really blame the kids who OD'd for not doing their research... they were told by someone they trusted that what they were taking was a mushroom extract cooked into chocolate. That doesn't sound that far-fetched to me. You can blame the asshole who told them it was a mushroom extract but later told the police that he had no idea what it actually was.

I disagree with you on this. If you hop in a car, turn it on, and speed off towards the highway having never taking a single drivers ed class, you're an idiot and there is a huge chance you're going to get into big trouble one way or another.

Taking drugs is the same way. The price of freedom is personal responsibility.

Blessings
~ND

 

[Metanoia]

There was a terrible tragedy, people died. Let's not examine anything further and just ban the drugs responsible, that'll solve the problem! :thumb_dow

I see this as a direct result of prohibition. These drugs might not even exist at all if other, much safer, substances were legal to consume.

Teenagers often do things without thinking them through. That is probably something we can never avoid or change. It's a part of the maturation process. You make mistakes and, hopefully, you learn from them and move on. These young men didn't have the chance to learn from their mistakes, which is unbelievably sad.

But we all know that if those chocolates had real mushrooms in there instead of some extremely dangerous and toxic research chemical, they would've lived to tell the tale.

Prohibition = stupidity. Yes. Young people sometimes make the wrong decisions, but that doesn't mean they're stupid. What's stupid is that this war on drugs will never be won, and the casualties will continue to pile up.

 

[endlessness]

You can't really blame the kids who OD'd for not doing their research... they were told by someone they trusted that what they were taking was a mushroom extract cooked into chocolate. That doesn't sound that far-fetched to me. You can blame the asshole who told them it was a mushroom extract but later told the police that he had no idea what it actually was.

I disagree with you on this. If you hop in a car, turn it on, and speed off towards the highway having never taking a single drivers ed class, you're an idiot and there is a huge chance you're going to get into big trouble one way or another.

Taking drugs is the same way. The price of freedom is personal responsibility.

Blessings
~ND

That's unnecessarily harsh and not a fair analogy imo.. The kids who consumed it could not have known it was not a mushrooms extract if they have no testing service, plus there is no social services or official courses to inform people on drugs just like driver's education classes exist. Also, someone driving without any knowledge will put others at risk, not only themselves, and these kids were not putting others at risk when consuming themselves.

The person who stole the dealer and sold to those kids, on the other hand, yeah I think you can safely call him an idiot.

And as metanoia said, if the mushrooms were really mushrooms, nothing would have happened, so it's prohibition to blame.

 

[Orion]

You can't really blame the kids who OD'd for not doing their research... they were told by someone they trusted that what they were taking was a mushroom extract cooked into chocolate. That doesn't sound that far-fetched to me. You can blame the asshole who told them it was a mushroom extract but later told the police that he had no idea what it actually was.

I disagree with you on this. If you hop in a car, turn it on, and speed off towards the highway having never taking a single drivers ed class, you're an idiot and there is a huge chance you're going to get into big trouble one way or another.

Taking drugs is the same way. The price of freedom is personal responsibility.

Blessings
~ND

That's unnecessarily harsh and not a fair analogy imo.. The kids who consumed it could not have known it was not a mushrooms extract if they have no testing service, plus there is no social services or official courses to inform people on drugs just like driver's education classes exist. Also, someone driving without any knowledge will put others at risk, not only themselves, and these kids were not putting others at risk when consuming themselves.

The person who stole the dealer and sold to those kids, on the other hand, yeah I think you can safely call him an idiot.

And as metanoia said, if the mushrooms were really mushrooms, nothing would have happened, so it's prohibition to blame.

I find myself unable to dismiss what Nathaniel.Dread said as unfair. It is unfortunate but logic alone should be a deterrent. I won't accept something more credible such as LSD unless it is tested first. There is some naivety here, even if it is made much worse by prohibition, which is 90% of the problem, but not 100%. I'm still mostly blaming prohibition regardless.

If the guy told these two kids that it was a normal mushroom extract cooked into chocolate and left out the fact that it was a white powder, then that's less likely to cause alarm and is misleading. Even if he thought it was mushroom extract in the form of a white powder himself. Key point: >Pure white powder from mushrooms just isn't a thing.< The closest thing you could assume it to be would be 4 aco.

So yeah, if they knew it was white powder as some kind of mushroom extract, then I think that should have raised alarm bells. If they weren't told it was powder, then not so much.

Prohibition is still 90% of the problem though, and that's what has to change.

 

[skoobysnax]

Ever since Pickard was busted in the silo for LSD ( he is doing life btw) NBOME rose to popularity. So in that effect yes prohibition is part of the problem. Stealing an unknown subtance and selling it to friends was shitty. I somehow feel sad for Carlton because what happened downslope was out of his control and he sold what he advertised for what it was because of his own experience with it. But relying on his customers to know how make safe doses was dumb so the boomerang comes back to knock him out. I beg my own kids not to take anything because someone said it was something and if they decide to take it TEST IT.

 

[Rrryan]

Agreed with the focus on the lack of real LSD being a huge problem.

I can say I did a lot of RCs when they first got big, as far as I could tell, around 2003-4.

Though I obviously didn't die and am thankful that I ordered these things myself and researched doses, I felt a level of 'danage' from frequent 2C-I use, among others, that did not occur with LSD.

They are just lower quality substances.

...That might not be true with a couple of the 4-ACO / 4-HO variations, but the phens... Interesting that they exist, but if everything was legal that's not what anyone would want.

 

[slewb]

I felt a level of 'danage' from frequent 2C-I use, among others, that did not occur with LSD.

I felt a level of "not tripping" from 2c-I use, but maybe that was just my source.

If you hop in a car, turn it on, and speed off towards the highway having never taking a single drivers ed class

The situation you describe sounds more like my first DMT extraction/blastoff than what happened to these kids. What happened here seems more like someone going to a restaurant with great reviews and ending up with food poisoning. They thought it was a mushroom extract. They had probably heard that mushrooms were great.

Yeah, at this point hopefully we all know that someone offering you a "mushroom extract" should send up some flags, but teenagers are idiots and the person who gave those teenagers drugs without knowing what they were is to blame (even if he was a teenager himself - learning not to lie to your friends should be something you learn long before you learn to test drugs from unknown sources).