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TEK Syrian Rue Seeds to Smokeable Freebase + Consumable HCL [Harmallama Tek]

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doubledog said:
Harmalas HCl (or any other salt form) is indeed usable sublingually, but do not taste great. I would recommend you to convert it to freebase for sublingual use. In this form, rue alkaloids are just slightly bitter (and caapi freebase is almost tasteless) and its use is really convenient.
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Indeed, but part of the sub-lingual use falls into daily-use category, smaller doses throughout the day, or some each night... or every few days... just, regular use is common with sub-lingual administration...

Freebase is slightly caustic and can burn and be problematic over time... plus the absorption is a bit improved with HCL salts...

But yes, for single-use sessions, freebase does work...
 
I used few times harmalas also in tartrate salt form sublingually and it was really bitter, definitely much more unpleasant than freebase form.
Sublingual ROA has a big advantage in that 3-5 times less material is needed than with oral form.
 
Freebase is better for sublingual. No taste and no salivation and definitely no caustic burns unless the material has excess base in it. For absorption a prior mouthwash helps and it's best to rub it down there.

I've done 20 mg daily morning and afternoon routines with sublingual Caapi freebase, plus 5-htp and tryptophan. It's a great Stacy recovery program. Feels euphoric during the day and sedating at night, just like normal life.
 
doubledog said:
When your solution of harmalas in acidic water is too concentrated, harmala hcl precipitates (instead of common Manske crystalization) in form of light brown/yellow "mud".
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Hey doubledog, I have some problem with my extraction now, maybe you could be of a help, plese....
I did an acidic soup from 180g of seeds, and boiled it down to aroond one liter.... then i based it, and first stage was nice.... it separated nicely over two days. i poured it over added acid, filtered through a coffe filter, went nice.... then i added base, and......
it created kinda thick soultion which does noy want to separate at all, i mean i waited one night - nothing....
usually a separation was going nicely, but this time i ahve a problem.... maybe to much saturation? but it separated nicelt for teh first time....

damn i have no idea what to do.... any idea what i could do?
 
Would the "crude extract" be usable to take orally? Or is it too variable in its concentration of harmala alkaloids?
 
Kalitechnik said:
Hey doubledog, I have some problem with my extraction now, maybe you could be of a help, plese....
I did an acidic soup from 180g of seeds, and boiled it down to aroond one liter.... then i based it, and first stage was nice.... it separated nicely over two days. i poured it over added acid, filtered through a coffe filter, went nice.... then i added base, and......
it created kinda thick soultion which does noy want to separate at all, i mean i waited one night - nothing....
usually a separation was going nicely, but this time i ahve a problem.... maybe to much saturation? but it separated nicelt for teh first time....

damn i have no idea what to do.... any idea what i could do?
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Seems like too high saturation, but that should be only cosmetic issue. What is the volume of water you are precipitating from? You have alkaloids from 180g of rue there, it could be 8-9grams, which is quite a lot.
You do not really need visual separation, you could most likely filter it.
Picture would help.
 
doubledog said:
Seems like too high saturation, but that should be only cosmetic issue. What is the volume of water you are precipitating from? You have alkaloids from 180g of rue there, it could be 8-9grams, which is quite a lot.
You do not really need visual separation, you could most likely filter it.
Picture would help.
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its about 1L of water.
usually i do extracts from 100G of seeds in this container.
but i recall now that once i did also an extraction from the 180G and as i remember i had some similar issues.
so it is about the concentration? shame to admit, i dont have my filtration setup yet. but if the concentrations are becoming problematic maybe i should get one...
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This is strange, 1 liter volume should be more than enough for the alks to settle on the bottom.
But otherwise it looks normal, precipitated freebase could be seen easily.
Which base did you use?
What I would try:
Filter small portion (50ml) of it using coffee filter. If it works and filtrate is (almost) clear, continue filtering whole amount and catch freebase in the filter.
If it easily cloggs the filter, put it back into original container and dilute it with 500ml of alkaline water.
 
doubledog said:
Could you please specify what you mean by crude extract?
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The tek PDF calls "crude extract" the result of adding sodium carbonate to the rue tea, decanting and filtering. I was wondering if that unrefined harmala HCl extract would be usable for oral ROI without further refinement.
 
That would be freebase, not HCl, and yes, it's usable for oral, it just contains some impurity/inactive plant material left in it. I would guess it is about 50% pure.
However, one additional cycle of redissolving, filtering and basifying is really easy.
 
blig-blug said:
would be usable for oral ROI without further refinement.
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Like he said, that's crude freebase not HCL.... You can use it at this phase as a scalable 1:X extract... say you started with 100g of rue, and now you have 20g of extract, you now have Syrian Rue 5x extract... So you can dose it accordingly, assuming its 5x more potent... meaning if you wanted to take 3g of syrian rue... you would take (3/100) * (20) = 0.6g of your 5x extract
 
Thanks doubledog and CosmicLion for the info (I had a slip with freebase/HCl). I'm about to get some seeds so I'll try the 1:X extract approach. I'll report back on it.
 
doubledog said:
This is strange, 1 liter volume should be more than enough for the alks to settle on the bottom.
But otherwise it looks normal, precipitated freebase could be seen easily.
Which base did you use?
What I would try:
Filter small portion (50ml) of it using coffee filter. If it works and filtrate is (almost) clear, continue filtering whole amount and catch freebase in the filter.
If it easily cloggs the filter, put it back into original container and dilute it with 500ml of alkaline water.
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i used sodium hydroxide.... and what i did is taht i was adding pure sodium hydroxide to citrate
water an i was mixing (normally i pour based water),
but i did same with first basing and it separated nicely (but i was out for 48 hours though.
 
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@doubledog
thanks for the advice. i filter some, added water it separated easier.... good advice and also now during the decant stage i can filter the water and not waste any of the freebase that i would normally pour off during decanting. thanx.
 
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CosmicLion said:
Like he said, that's crude freebase not HCL.... You can use it at this phase as a scalable 1:X extract... say you started with 100g of rue, and now you have 20g of extract, you now have Syrian Rue 5x extract... So you can dose it accordingly, assuming its 5x more potent... meaning if you wanted to take 3g of syrian rue... you would take (3/100) * (20) = 0.6g of your 5x extract
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A nice starting point in tracking the potency of final yield from rue seeds. But you have to consider and account for (unknown) losses during extraction.
 


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