Experiences with daily harmala dosing + cannabis

[harmala_afficianado]

Harmalas are a great addition to a cannabis consumption habit, not sure about the other way round.

My experience aligns with most of what was said already about their great synergy, even adding ground rue seeds to hashish joint works well and smokes smooth.

Over the years I've introduced many people (almost everyone I smoked cannabis with) to adding harmalas either as freebase or ground seeds to cannabis joints and everyone liked it and agreed that it takes the edge off cannabis and makes the experience more relaxed. There was only 1 person that didn't like it and it made him feel like his brain is moving around in his head.

A little bit of harmalas goes a long way, smoking a lot of it will make the cannabis experience more uncomfortable.

I was actually taking around 7-8g rue, but when i started smoking i had to lower to 5-6g, high dose rue makes cannabis very overwhelming, it really felt like i was about to breakthrough, i couldnt do anything but sit with myself and do nothing but think, and there was alot of entity contact, couldnt even open my phone, and i had flashbacks to my past psilohuasca experiences.

I def agree with the guy who said that cannabis can act as a source of "light" to the harmalas similarly to dmt, but i have a slight difficulty understanding cannabis as opposed to rue and other psychedelics, its a very complex plant

 

[harmala_afficianado]

but if properly allied, it becomes divine. I'd say that not many can really do it, however. Keep us updated on your journey.

Can you talk more about this? How do you properly "align" with it? And do you have experience with cannabis becoming "divine" with daily use?

When i was addicted years ago to smoking, i obv had alot "demons" or "parasitic entites" attached to me, it feels like now when i smoke these demons appear again, not in the way like i become paranoid or see bad visions, but more like the divine rue state becomes abit clouded by my past attachment to cannabis.

 

[northape]

Can you talk more about this? How do you properly "align" with it? And do you have experience with cannabis becoming "divine" with daily use?

When i was addicted years ago to smoking, i obv had alot "demons" or "parasitic entites" attached to me, it feels like now when i smoke these demons appear again, not in the way like i become paranoid or see bad visions, but more like the divine rue state becomes abit clouded by my past attachment to cannabis.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm in a similar predicament. I stopped my cannabis use more than 10 years ago and never looked back due to a lot of anxiety and paranoia. Yeah, I'd smoke a joint given an appropriate occasion, but I'd also drink a bottle of beer if the weather were hot. From what I can remember, rue mellowed cannabis and made it more psychedelic, I guess.

It was rue with a light admixture (dmt) that truly helped me clear my inner darkness. This medicine was all about presence, which is what I missed when working with cannabis. Rue is both an antidepressant and anxiolytic, so I never had any difficulties after using it. Cannabis, on the other hand, could put me in a dark spot for weeks. I think you can marry them both, but you need a good relationship with each one. If I ever decide to do it, I'll work mainly with rue and add cannabis in a fashion similar to dmt. Cannabis is good at putting you right where you are in the here and now. I feel many people neglect that part and are looking for some novel high state. I'd say the biggest gift of Santa Maria is that she teaches you how to relax in the moment. If you somehow connect to this state, it does lead to the divine.

I'd describe cannabis as sticky (just like its resin). You can easily catch unwanted energies, and as pointed out before, it is better to approach it clean. Rue, on the other hand, is a purgative for a reason, and it removes any unhealthy energies from you. Rue fosters presence, and cannabis connects you to life in a unique way. If approached properly, you could have a great medicine on your hands. Yet, you need to know them very well and know yourself. No one can do it for you. There are no tracks to follow in this life, really. Each path is unique, and when we pass, no tracks are left. Only the general direction is there for others to see.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Cannabis is good at putting you right where you are in the here and now. I feel many people neglect that part and are looking for some novel high state. I'd say the biggest gift of Santa Maria is that she teaches you how to relax in the moment. If you somehow connect to this state, it does lead to the divine.

For sure, thats probably the main thing that pushed me to smoke, i know cannabis can potentially be very beneficial despite its reputation, and my past use, i would have never gone near it again if i didnt know it can heal.

The weird thing tho is that im not really sure how to interpet my 2-3 harmala+cannabis trips i had this week, i would take my daily rue dose (about 6-7g) and even 3-4 hits of cannabis induces this strange dissociated feeling, i thought a few hits would slightly enhance the rue but it didnt, i just felt very dissociated from everything and kinda felt like the harmala spirit was angry, or maybe it was another entity? Im really not sure but it was a POWERFUL entity unlike anything, im almost certain it was the harmala entity but after my past cannabis use years ago i have a difficult time trusting those "too much thc" states.

Another weird thing i noticed was that when i tried to "see past the veil" like i usually do with harmalas, i would feel like i was being blocked, even tho i would think random thoughts and after every thought i would seemingly get the most perfect answer to it.

I would also sit cross legged (like i always do when the harmalas kick in) but this time when i try to sit cross legged the entity would literally grab my foot and put it on the ground, i tried to know why but i dont think i got a clear answer.

So yea im still abit confused, my only logical interpretation is that perhaps i need to clean up my past idea or attachment to cannabis, but i feel like harmala use already did that so like im really not sure, i took a break today from smoking to try and understand more

Rue, on the other hand, is a purgative for a reason, and it removes any unhealthy energies from you.

I agree with this 1000%, those nasty entites hate the rue for sure, thats a big reason why i also started smoking again, because cannabis like you said can attract negative entities, so i felt like the rue would clean up the bad effects of cannabis

 

[northape]

The weird thing tho is that im not really sure how to interpet my 2-3 harmala+cannabis trips i had this week, i would take my daily rue dose (about 6-7g) and even 3-4 hits of cannabis induces this strange dissociated feeling, i thought a few hits would slightly enhance the rue but it didnt, i just felt very dissociated from everything and kinda felt like the harmala spirit was angry, or maybe it was another entity? Im really not sure but it was a POWERFUL entity unlike anything, im almost certain it was the harmala entity but after my past cannabis use years ago i have a difficult time trusting those "too much thc" states.

6-7g of rue is a pretty heavy dose if you do it right. So, you're having full-on experiences basically. I was like that for years and chased breakthroughs, visions, entities, transcendental states, you name it. It all leads nowhere, honestly. This whole game is about you - know thyself. Remember that famous phrase? Any experience is fleeting, and we always come down to our mundane reality. Now I'm more focused on how sane I am after the journey. What does it bring to my everyday life? Maybe try adding some dmt-containing plant instead of cannabis. It may be a better fit. Once again, start slowly and work your way up. Safe travels - not likely. That's life.

Another weird thing i noticed was that when i tried to "see past the veil" like i usually do with harmalas, i would feel like i was being blocked, even tho i would think random thoughts and after every thought i would seemingly get the most perfect answer to it.

You kind of answering yourself here, imo.

So yea im still abit confused, my only logical interpretation is that perhaps i need to clean up my past idea or attachment to cannabis, but i feel like harmala use already did that so like im really not sure, i took a break today from smoking to try and understand more

I don't really know. Usually when ideas about an attachment come up, there is an attachment right there. It's just that simple.

I agree with this 1000%, those nasty entites hate the rue for sure, thats a big reason why i also started smoking again, because cannabis like you said can attract negative entities, so i felt like the rue would clean up the bad effects of cannabis

I'd say that cannabis energy is sticky. It's not like you attract negativity, but if you're negative it sticks to you easier, if it makes sense.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

6-7g of rue is a pretty heavy dose if you do it right. So, you're having full-on experiences basically. I was like that for years and chased breakthroughs, visions, entities, transcendental states, you name it. It all leads nowhere, honestly. This whole game is about you - know thyself. Remember that famous phrase? Any experience is fleeting, and we always come down to our mundane reality. Now I'm more focused on how sane I am after the journey. What does it bring to my everyday life? Maybe try adding some dmt-containing plant instead of cannabis. It may be a better fit. Once again, start slowly and work your way up. Safe travels - not likely. That's life.

You kind of answering yourself here, imo.

I don't really know. Usually when ideas about an attachment come up, there is an attachment right there. It's just that simple.

I'd say that cannabis energy is sticky. It's not like you attract negativity, but if you're negative it sticks to you easier, if it makes sense.

I wasnt really chasing visions or breakthroughs or transcension, rue has already done everything for me and after the first 2-3 months it stopped any craving for pretty much anything, but at the cost of making me feel abit emotionally muted in some areas, like my heart was abit hardened, and i thought cannabis would be the perfect thing for that, based on my past experience with it.

I wish i had my hands on some dmt, but i live in a country where it is very hard to find, and mushrooms also are now harder to find than before, i did get my hands on some morning glory seeds tho, it was my first time ever trying it, like a month ago, and it was def very healing, i really liked them.

I think ill pause cannabis for a while, and maybe try again a week later after proper interpretation.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

I have found that as @northape said, cannabis forces you to be fully in the moment, you have to be fully locked in in the "now", psychedelics give you space for that but they dont force you as much as cannabis does, no wonder cannabis gives alot of people anxiety and other issues, because its very hard to be fully present when there are underlying issues, even if they are very small, to be fully in the present moment you have to get over anything and just let go.

Harmalas are the key to getting the most out of cannabis imo, especially if taken for a prolonged time and one is fully used to the effects, the first few days of smoking were tough, and i had moments of dread and strong feelings of anxiety, which i can tell if it wasnt for the harmalas, i wouldnt have been able to handle them like i did, its the same feeling of being "too high" i used to get, it didnt lessen, its just now i can forget about it easier and not be so attached to the feeling.

But now it seems that those moments of anxiety were healing me, because now im having access to a full on meditive state, and feelings of strong bliss, and also cannabis significantly lowered my tolerance to harmalas even the day after smoking, and im getting that soft hearted feeling i used to get when i first started with harmalas, which was the main thing i was looking for from smoking.

All in all i think cannabis can be a powerful healing medicine but only if your ready to fully let go, the plant wants you to be fully in the present moment, but you cannot be fully in the present if there are certain things you cant let go, if you do let go tho, you will have access to probably the most meditive state you can ever reach, especially if combined with harmala, because people most people who smoke daily do so to numb themself, cannabis will numb you if you keep on smoking without fixing your issues, and harmalas completely remove that "numbness" and lets the cannabis kinda "force" you to that state more, with the bonus of less anxiety.

I think cannabis is more of a teacher than a companion, smoking for a certain peroid to get used to effects will definitely teach you alot of stuff, imo even things psychedelics wouldnt teach, it is the best teacher for how to be fully locked in the present moment.

Also dosage is very important with cannabis, 1 extra puff could change everything.

Im planning to smoke until im fully used to the effects, as long as im taking my harmala dose everyday (which tbh became harder after a few days of smoking) i think im good, and the harmalas will let me know when its "enough"

 

[northape]

I feel you're onto something. It's a very interesting combo, and given your situation, you have a pretty clear experiment on your hands

Usually, people have access to both psychedelics and cannabis, so it all gets intermixed. Yet, the traditional path is all about dedication to a specific plant for a period of time and working with it to create a relationship. For me, cannabis was usually colored by anxiety, and the few times that I saw its potential were in the beginning of my use. It all went sideways down the road, mostly because of my own issues and a difficult living environment. I bet if I tried it now and added harmalas into the mix, the result would be much different.

I feel this combo is a fine meditation teacher. Unlike traditional psychedelics, you kind of stay where you are, but that where gets infinitely deeper. Maybe journal your experiences and try to practice some of the teachings sober. It'll be interesting what your conclusions after some time will look like. As they say, we got hold of plants that want to work with us. This journey is guided by life, not the other way around.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

For me, cannabis was usually colored by anxiety, and the few times that I saw its potential were in the beginning of my use.

Same here, i think the beneficial aspect turns into numbness if you keep on smoking without processing what you were taught the first few times, this is the main issue i think, but harmalas seem to fix this aspect greatly.

I bet if I tried it now and added harmalas into the mix, the result would be much different.

Im sure it would, but you have to find the perfect dose ratio, the more you smoke the more harmalas you would need, for me i need at least 5-6g rue to completely block the intoxication of 5-8 hits.

Unlike traditional psychedelics, you kind of stay where you are, but that where gets infinitely deeper.

Perfect description.

Maybe journal your experiences and try to practice some of the teachings sober.

Until now, im getting beautiful after effects from smoking, i would even argue that i feel better the day after smoking than when im smoking, the moment i start having bad after effects (like i used to get years ago from smoking) i would know its time to stop.

If you like harmalas, i suggest giving the combo some time, im sure you wont regret it! considering you also most likely have more experience with classical psychedelics than i do.

 

[Espurrr]

what you're describing has a clinical term, " fear extinction" its a phenomena more closely associated with resolving psychological knots than most other popularized treatments, but its also a double edge sword because if you're overwhelmed by it then recovering from it can be difficult if at all possible, so it rests on being in touch with reality about what is regulating you and what is dysregulating you, exploring this further which is basically like a total collision with fear results in permeant or long term changes in sense of self, sense of self is the central organizing element of how you experience life, certainly how you experience your psychological life, i believe the goal of all meditation practices is essentially this, with different methodologies in different contexts