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Experiences with daily harmala dosing + cannabis
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It won't. Daily use presents other challenges though, and the whole process fully depends on your own approach. If you see it as something important and worth pursuing, coming to it from a sane standpoint and working with dedication, then your use moves closer to a plant diet, honestly. No one here can say much about your inner process. Cannabis is one of the trickiest plants around, but if properly allied, it becomes divine. I'd say that not many can really do it, however. Keep us updated on your journey.
Panpsychic
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Chewbacca yogi, is that you?
Well be cautious then is what I am saying. As you mentioned cannabis sneaks up on you...so the issue is that you won't generally know you have gone to far in a damging way until you are already there and it may be too late by that point.
Cannabis can obviously work for some but not all compounds are necessary on this journey and for me cannabis was more harm than good, other than potentially as a gateway drug to discover the real good stuff. If you are able to seemingly find a synergy though then tread carefully and be observant to how it unfolds and if anything changes.
wild cannabis and harmala plants are ubiquitous all around the foot hills of the Himalayan and Hindu Kush mountain ranges and the process of producing bhang and the ancient method of producing haoma (harmala juice) are virtually the same , both are associated with the pursuit of bliss in times of leisure , the idea being that bliss is the gate way to consciousness , and consciousness is required to experience the truth, this was quite central to life 8000 years ago because through inducing this experience people would refrain from killing, raping, stealing, lying, scheming, harboring hatred, etc. without any standing army and authority to enforce these laws , a safe environment was created so that everybody could enjoy living
Panpsychic
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Not really. Bhang is from rolling the flowers and resin.
Haoma, if we accept the peganum Harmala theory would be from boiling the dried seeds not just rolling the flowers and seeds together.
Cannabis is definitely associated with this today, another way is called "wake and bake"
This is a nice idea but the oversimplified idealistic image of them going together and growing together at the foothill of a mountain is rejected. Its like those who say because bhang has been used by some sadhus in the past, that therefore cannabis smoking and meditation go together and you can be a stoner and great meditator- actually this is not the case as the vast majority of yogic/meditation traditions advise to refrain from cannabis intoxication which muddles mindfulness.
Same with the idea that you need an experience of transcendent oneness or similar just to refrain from unethical actions - it is not necessary.
There is evidence for their separate use, but no evidence for their use together as far as I am aware. This is telling, especially given as you mention they often grow in similar regions it is significant we find no evidence of them being mixed, rather they were used separately.
There is as much evidence for that as for a Peganum harmala brew having been drank in ancient Iran. Which is basically none: it's all conjecture. But you can't apply to other people's conjectures more stringent standards than to your own.
Panpsychic
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'Basically none'. Not quite. In other words, actually there is. So how about we say there is circumstantial evidence. The theory does not originate from nowhere and there is evidence for ritual use both now and in the past. Saying "its all conjecture" doesn't say anything really. Its a conjecture based on circumstantial evidence, of which I have not come across regards cannabis use with harmala.
Why does there need to be a history of them combined in order to validate it's potential benefits and utility NOW? We didn't know everything about these plants then, we've learned since then, and we still don't know everything about them now.
We get it, @Panpsychic you have little to no appreciation for cannabis.
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We get it, @Panpsychic you have little to no appreciation for cannabis.
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I am a cranky yeti yogi not liking the hot, smokey air, and hazy skies.
Harmalas and cannabis have a natural synergy IME and I would go so far as to say that weed can serve as an alternative source of “light” in place of DMT. However, I’m aware that every body is different, and this combination may not work equally well for everyone.
The issue that I’ve been bumping up against is that even my usual tiny doses of weed mixed with hemp lead me to consume more caffeine than I think is good for me.
Despite being a headstrong yeti who’s been admittedly perturbed by some of your takes on weed, and the tone in which you expressed them, I’m not too proud to admit that they’ve led me to reflect on the role of cannabis in my life, particularly in relation to my caffeine intake.
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we become prone to delusion due to self deceit that leads to self harm , which weakens us to a point where coming to face with anything is seen as a threatening situation, and we begin to hallucinate as a self defense reaction, generally speaking, has nothing to do with cannabis per se, if you shove a knife in your heart, you'll bleed
in cultures with ancient use of cannabis, it remains very important that you smoke charas with a clear heart and pay your respects to the chilum, it used to be in older times that smoking with thoughts of envy and hate and disrespect to the chilum which is a rotating instrument would get you beat up by the people around you, a broken leg or arm is nothing compared to learning that the trouble starts in your un conscious heart
Panpsychic
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Well partly because having a history is akin to a large database of user experience over a long period of time and potentially therefore a good reference.
The trouble with anecdotal evidence on these issues (and its not that I don't think anecdotal evidence cannot sometimes be very valid) is that its a very small data set. So you could be an outlier, or you could be missing something that subsequently turns out to be unbeneficial with this combo which is why we cant make generalized statements with it at this point.
I have to say these statements are very interesting. As formerly a very heavy stoner in the past who experienced first hand the negative effects of over use, it is interesting to hear this novel synergy. It is not something that I have any interest in at this stage of my life of retuning to, but no doubt its an intriguing combo for people into smoking weed and I hope it can work for more.
How about an actual combined Harmala resin mixed with actual hash joint, for example?
Perhaps some of the problematic usage of cannabis could be tempered if it was more widely known that it could be combined well with Harmalas in some cases, to improve the cannabis experience.
We probably need to popularize it more.
Imo cannabis is slightly unsatisfiying substance (after acute effects fades) and harmalas counteract that, so it helps with typical usage pattern.
You mean for ease of use? Depend on how harmala resin burns/evaporates.
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The practices that you wanna hold in such high esteem started as anecdotal data...
I feel you're curttailing growth and development for this individual and others with biased rhetoric. Again, we get it, cannabis doesn't work for you. Doesn't mean we need you invalidating and judging everything we want to do that's not in your wheelhouse.
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This is interesting, can you elaborate more on what do you mean?
Ah, like for cannabis and harmala then. Joining the dots
Panpsychic
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Harmala resin burns very well and smooth, so it would be a perfect fit in a joint rolled with tobacco and cannabis hash or leaf.We probably need to popularize it more.
Imo cannabis is slightly unsatisfiying substance (after acute effects fades) and harmalas counteract that, so it helps with typical usage pattern.
You mean for ease of use? Depend on how harmala resin burns/evaporates.
Well you can call it joining the dots yes, but then you still need some solid dots to begin with. So in the case of Harmalas with cannabis, do you have some dots you would like to share?Ah, like for cannabis and harmala then. Joining the dots
I use caffeine to offset the sedation of cannabis, but am sensitive to caffeine, so it’s easy for me to overdo it and have negative symptoms, such irritability, heightened stress, decreased mood, and sleeplessness. Going without cannabis, as I have today, decreases my need for caffeine, which feels beneficial.
It’s hard to believe that cultures with a history of using both cannabis and Syrian Rue, such as Morocco and Pakistan, haven’t combined these plants in various ways, over time.
Certain Santo Daime churches are known to combine cannabis and Ayahuasca.
In any case, I don’t think we need ethnographic data or double blind studies to know that cannabis and harmalas synergize. Why wouldn’t they? Both cannabis and harmalas synergize with all types of plants, so I don’t think it’s a big surprise that combining them creates a synergistic effect.
Overall, I don’t think reifying cannabis as a particular thing, or cannabis users as a particular type of person, is congruent with reality, which is a lot more dynamic and open-ended, so it’s no surprise that doing so would be met with push-back.
Harmalas are a great addition to a cannabis consumption habit, not sure about the other way round.
My experience aligns with most of what was said already about their great synergy, even adding ground rue seeds to hashish joint works well and smokes smooth.
Over the years I've introduced many people (almost everyone I smoked cannabis with) to adding harmalas either as freebase or ground seeds to cannabis joints and everyone liked it and agreed that it takes the edge off cannabis and makes the experience more relaxed. There was only 1 person that didn't like it and it made him feel like his brain is moving around in his head.
A little bit of harmalas goes a long way, smoking a lot of it will make the cannabis experience more uncomfortable.
My experience aligns with most of what was said already about their great synergy, even adding ground rue seeds to hashish joint works well and smokes smooth.
Over the years I've introduced many people (almost everyone I smoked cannabis with) to adding harmalas either as freebase or ground seeds to cannabis joints and everyone liked it and agreed that it takes the edge off cannabis and makes the experience more relaxed. There was only 1 person that didn't like it and it made him feel like his brain is moving around in his head.
A little bit of harmalas goes a long way, smoking a lot of it will make the cannabis experience more uncomfortable.
you can also sieve rue seeds through a very fine mesh and collect the dust to add to a joint or hash etc, much smoother
though i believe a large part of harmala effects come from their action in the digestive tract , so it would be a milder effect
though it seems a better sync with smoked cannabis, and consuming edibles with oral harmalas also seem a better match
the effects of making bhang out of wild cannabis and consuming it orally is VERY different to the reference people have to a cannabis high, its a strong parasymphatic activator due to the mineral content (magnesium/potassium...), chlorophyll and ... consumed in bhang, the cannabinoid and terpene etc ratios are different, and the liver changes the chemistry of these things when consumed orally, so this is what i meant earlier about the pursuit of bliss in times of leisure
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