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Talking during DMT trip

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Infowars

Infowars

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I've recently introduced a friend of mine to spice. He was very hesitant and timid at first so his experiences weren't very extreme. He was unable to break through due to his fear of taking large rips off the pipe but after a while he gathered some courage and decided he was going to go all the way no matter what. Once he built up some courage and began to take big hits he described and felt much more intense trips which sounded much more like a breakthrough. Everytime he smoked the spice however, whether it was a "breakthrough" experience or not, he would sit there with his eyes closed and talk to me while he was tripping. He would sit there with a huge smile on his face and say things like "Wow, you should see this, Infowars. I'm in a room." or "Don't worry you guys, I'm doing just fine." and various other things.

Whenver I've broken through I've been completely comatose. The only time I'm able to speak is when I'm stuck in a sort of void because I didn't smoke enough. When I go to hypsace and am speaking to strange entities I forget about this reality completely. I'm not conscious of the people in the room with me or even of my body. I'm gone. Talking to someone wouldn't even be an option for me as I am already awake and talking to beings in another dimension and this is how several other people I've seen breakthrough appeared and explained their trips. I've heard of people saying things while tripping but usually it was along the lines of "It's so beautiful!" and the people didn't even remember saying it after they came back. I've never heard of anyone having conscious conversations with the people in the room during a breakthrough experience, but my friend insists that he knows he broke through.

So my question is this:

1. Should someone be able to consciously speak to the people in the room while on their trip or does it mean that they aren't going far enough?
 
Depends on the person.
Some people have a stronger awareness than others, and I've found that those who do have a higher chance of being able to speak, or spin a staff, in hyperspace.
It's an exercise. :)
 
Your friend sounds like me :)

I'am able to talk with the real world and be aware of my earthly surroundings even though im fully immersed in hyperspace with my eyes shut.

I gave my grlfriend a running commentary on one of my most powerful experiences, i like how i can do that :)
Ive never taken over 60mg tho so maybe if i take more this reality will be no more :D
 
Ahahahah... I've totally had 8 hours of Ayahuasca with, "OH MY GOD!!! I'M ON A ROLLERCOASTER!! OH MY GOD!! A TERRIFYING BIRD CREATURE!!!"

It was cool because it was just the two of us, it really helped the person going through the experience (friend's first real breakthrough), and it in no way disturbed my own journey.

I have found this kind of thing to sometimes impede actual liftoff in a group setting--like the rational part of the mind chattering in attempts to keep control, or something. It can be dispelled with the power of song...

Trying to physically speak (unless as a directive of the medicine), in my personal experience and opinion, though, seems like a waste of energy that runs counterproductive to the experience. Same thing with movement: unless the words, song, or posture are part of the healing--in which case, though, they are never a coherent stream of logically ordered words or commentary. :p
 
I wonder if he's really completely there. When SWIM hits about 50-60mg, talking not only seems fruitless, but impossible. You can still see lots of craziness at lower doses and be able to talk, but SWIM suspect if your friend was 'All In' he wouldn't be very chatty.
 
I think everyone is different, I def think its possible that someone completely breaks through and is able to speak... I mean I didn't think theoretically anyone would be able to physically dance/stand up during a peak experience- yet I've seen it O_O
That being said I don't myself like speaking during the peak, I find it distracting. I don't really like even being spoken too all that much, I actually politely mentioned this to my guide, because although done with the best intentions of checking that I am okay if I'm looking startled/worried, I find it distracting and confusing/startling to be spoken to when I'm finding forming words difficult... And its such a short experience I find talking, wastes a bit of the time even if you think youd be able to stammer out something about it all. Afterglow is much nicer for chatting =)
 
Hmmm... on a regular ~50-55mg DMT dose, my friend gets immersed in hyperspace by the time his eyes have closed. While the actual duration of his time in hyperspace may only be 5 minutes, he describes the trip as feeling like about 10 minutes usually. By the actual 2-3 minute mark (feels like about 5-7 minutes into the trip) he can open his eyes and speak if necessary.

One time, he said he felt like he was covered and surrounded by fire and desert and fever, even though it was only mildly unpleasant. He opened his eyes and said something along the lines of, "I don't know what water is, but I know I need it. Can you please make water happen to me?" After he drank the water (which was apparently an amazing experience) he returned to lying down and resumed being in hyperspace. He says that the last thing he saw with his eyes open formed the basis for what hyperspace looked like when he returned to it. Everything into the room turned into a hyperspace version of what it had been. Then it did hyperspace-ish stuff after that, whatever that means.

That said, my friend's DMT experiences are unusual, so you may want to just write him off as an outlier. He never looks at DMT art and says, "this is what hyperspace looks like to me." He also doesn't have any interactions with entities that even resemble other peoples' descriptions of them -- at least, definitely no mantids or machine elves. What most people would call "entities," if they're even present, tend to just jeer and poke fun at him for being fucked up. That probably explains why he prefers trips with no so-called "entities."
 
I can relate, a good friend of mine who I frequently travel with is accustomed to talking his way through most of his trips. It's funny because I'm like you infowars, I'm so wrapped up in the visual magnitude of whats happening that talking to anybody in this reality is impossible. But my buddy gives commentary on the regular, and is proud of himself if he's able to make it through a journey and not say a word lol! Maybe its the exhibitionist quality that we lack...
 
Sounds like your friend needs to let go of worrying about you guys and this world and flow with the stream. SWIM has had a similar issue: worrying about my friends and what they'll do now that SWIM is dead and floating in hyperspace. He may have broken through visually but his ego death is still cookin'.
 
Pretty problematic if ego death is one's reason for working with DMT in the first place! Visuals are cool, but so are movies and TV shows. And those have storylines! But they sure don't give the kind of serenity that can come from what's commonly called ego death...
 
I've only done DMT a few times, but i talked the whole time. Not conscious words of my own, but singing the chant they were singing, and then trying to say a word they were trying to get me to say. a word that's unspeakable, at least with the hardware humans possess. I taped the session, and it freaks me out to see it. In fact, I'm a little disturbed at what it is they want me to say. I KNOW the word, but I can't say it. It freaks out everyone else in the room, too.
My wife broke through after me, and came back pointing at me, saying "You're the editor! You're the editor!"
Now, as my mind grapples with what they are trying to tell me, she insists that I need to do more of it, that there is soemthing I'm supposed to understand, because I'm the editor.
Indeed, I AM an editor. Film - print - a real editor.
In fact, I feel them every day, every time there isn't noise going on around me. I get goosebumps several times a day. I have more new thoughts per day than I used to. I feel they are trying to tell me something, but I'm a little freaked out over whether I can "say" it, or what it's about. Has anyone else experienced this?
I can SEE the word, but I can't say it. I KNOW it, but am not sure of it's meaning or why it's significant. There's som urgency around it, as with the DMT experience in general.
I know I can't "make sense" of it, while at the same time, I feel I need to.
 
My first break through dose I kept repeating, in a rather delighted voice "oh my god guys, I feel like I'm dying." at least thats what they told me I said. Anyway, normally I go comatose or if it starts getting scary I make rhythmic vocalizations, again, this is what I'm told. I have no recollection of doing anything in the outside world while on a breakthrough.
 
my first break through dose i forgot to breath as i broke through

i wish i could talk while it was happening but im not there anymore
 
I used to record my trips on a digital voice recorder. Even during breakthrus I could still speak but after playback it was basically nonsense. However, it does serve to assist you in remembering your experience. Playing back what you were saying stimulates the memory of the experience and you recall things you forgot.
 
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