tar block tested with proven vape...

[1Starway7]

this test done with ...a proven convection vape]....maybe 8mgs dmt....very quickly acumilated in the filter...

using the filter... cut way down on volume of vapor .... ...im hopeing that the filter is capturing mostly impuritys...and letting most of the molecule through?

when i get enough dark tar into filter........i will submerge filter into grain alcohol .....and remove the tar... then let the alcohol containing the tar evaporate in dish.. and waite a couple days and notice how much crystalization is going on in the dish after alcohol evaporates......

this should give me an idea ..... how much of the molecule got through// verses how much oils and fats were trapped...

this particular product looked quite lean of plant oils when extracted... so i didnt really put much effort into doing a defat....

zoom pictures...

 

[Varallo]

So I think it’s unlikely that the filter is going to work in this way, these filters are not selective for chemical compounds but function by selecting particle size. So what is filtered out are the bigger particles.

When using the emesh method you’re probably going to create a whole range of particle sizes and then the filter is going to filter the bigger ones out and not just the “oils”.

 

[Egzoset]

...proven convection vape...

Convective vaporization occurs when hot air carries energy into a bowl, so if the noble molecules ain't been thermalized via conductive/radiative pre-heating before then this is going to result in wide spectrum extraction not based on temperature alone but a mix of contact-surface vs specific heat capacity & mass instead. Starting from there we can assume the timing must be precisely controlled on top of bowl temperature just to avoid overheating of the more delicate low-temperature content, in other words denaturation compounded with an accumulation of other contaminants as tar requiring later separation, like distillation i suppose...

...very quickly accumulated in the filter...

Yeah, i can only imagine.

...i'm hoping that the filter is capturing mostly impurities...

That is what we understood in your other thread titled 'testing low to microdose vape' last thursday, so what's the differentiation mechanism capable of separating noble molecules from contaminants which your preferred extraction method just created?

...letting most of the molecule through?

Again, i've got to wonder how such high-power device manages to "mostly" release only the active molecules and yet avoid their contamination by secondary/tertiary heat transformation.

...let the alcohol containing the tar evaporate...

Good luck with that, i dunno how this works with DMT but i do recall trying something similar with cannabis and finding out the aroma/taste felt absolutely gross. A better strategy might be to delay/tame down formation of such unwanted by-products in the 1st place! IMO convective Pulse Heating is the way to go starting from already purified concentrates, possibly combined into some hybrid release method where the bowl is shortly pre-heated just below a safe enough threshold. Radiative heating might help in attaining such goal, possibly relying on LASER technology, so please have your protective googles on if ever contemplating similar scenarios...

...i didn't really put much effort into doing a defat...

Well, if it were my challenge i'd certainly search through the available collective database thinking that others before me once had similar reasoning, and if not at least attempt to discover what/how then learned from whatever alternative they chose...

Good day, have fun!!

 

[1Starway7]

So I think it’s unlikely that the filter is going to work in this way, these filters are not selective for chemical compounds but function by selecting particle size. So what is filtered out are the bigger particles.

When using the emesh method you’re probably going to create a whole range of particle sizes and then the filter is going to filter the bigger ones out and not just the “oils”.

Hi .varallo...Yes the filters are not perfectly selective...but..if they remove a decient amount of ...heavier impuritys...hopefully the lighter tiny dmt molecules... being airborn will pass through the filter making for a cleaner ...and more positive vapor experiance...
At least this is what im hopeing for...i should get an idea of how selctive the filter is..when i remove the tar with alcohol soak..then evaporate the alcohol and observe how much crystlization occurs...
If the molecule is mostly gone ..it should remaine an oily sticky mass with very little to no crystals forming...
I think the filters were designed to capture heavy sticky tars in smoke ...and im using convection vapor..in the test


[[[....hopefully the lighter tiny dmt molecules...]]]]

tiny molecules... in dmt vapor.... could easily remain airborn .....in draft]... when taking a hit /when the heavier tars get trapped in filter...
....this is theory of course...


N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a small molecule drug:

• Small molecule definition
  A small molecule drug is an organic compound with a low molecular weight.... (less than 1000 daltons) ....and a size of about 1 nanometer.

one nanometer..... is one billionth of a meter, meaning it is equal to 1 x 10^-9 meters; essentially, it's a very small unit of measurement.

Dalton (Da)	Gram (g)
1000 Da equals...................	1.66054e-21 g

 

[Egzoset]

...vapor experience... ... ...crystalization...

I'm sure we all wish you as much, despite the excess of optimism.

I think the filters were designed to capture heavy sticky tars in smoke...

In short you're actually after purification and why not « reclaims ».

...this is theory of course...

Of course.

...size of about 1 nanometer.

Besides having a low molecular weight i'd try to consider this is also hydrophobic, since purity seems to be your motivating objective.

 

[Varallo]

Hi .varallo...Yes the filters are not perfectly selective...but..if they remove a decient amount of ...heavier impuritys...hopefully the lighter tiny dmt molecules... being airborn will pass through the filter making for a cleaner ...and more positive vapor experiance...
At least this is what im hopeing for...i should get an idea of how selctive the filter is..when i remove the tar with alcohol soak..then evaporate the alcohol and observe how much crystlization occurs...
If the molecule is mostly gone ..it should remaine an oily sticky mass with very little to no crystals forming...
I think the filters were designed to capture heavy sticky tars in smoke ...and im using convection vapor..in the test


[[[....hopefully the lighter tiny dmt molecules...]]]]

tiny molecules... in dmt vapor.... could easily remain airborn .....in draft]... when taking a hit /when the heavier tars get trapped in filter...
....this is theory of course...


N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a small molecule drug:

• Small molecule definition
  A small molecule drug is an organic compound with a low molecular weight.... (less than 1000 daltons) ....and a size of about 1 nanometer.

one nanometer..... is one billionth of a meter, meaning it is equal to 1 x 10^-9 meters; essentially, it's a very small unit of measurement.

Dalton (Da)	Gram (g)
1000 Da equals...................	1.66054e-21 g

Well, I think the assumption that DMT is always crystalline is a bit risky since it’s a polymorphic substance. In my experience, when I look at my used glass pipes, I often find some condensation of DMT, and it tends to be more in an oily form.

Running some TLC plates on the “tar” might be a good starting point for analysis. I haven’t seen any research specifically analyzing vaporized DMT, but that would definitely be fascinating to explore.

Best of luck with your project! I look forward to hearing more about it.

 

[1Starway7]

Well, I think the assumption that DMT is always crystalline is a bit risky since it’s a polymorphic substance. In my experience, when I look at my used glass pipes, I often find some condensation of DMT, and it tends to be more in an oily form.

Running some TLC plates on the “tar” might be a good starting point for analysis. I haven’t seen any research specifically analyzing vaporized DMT, but that would definitely be fascinating to explore.

Best of luck with your project! I look forward to hearing more about it.

DMT will crystalize if it is concintrated enough...and my pull was very concintrated..

Just a little experiment... we will see how it goes.... cheers..

 

[Egzoset]

Yeah, keep us posted please: updates ain't coming fast enough!

 

[1Starway7]

DMT will crystalize if it is concintrated enough...and my pull was very concintrated..

Just a little experiment... we will see how it goes....

DMT will crystalize if it is concintrated enough...and my pull was very concintrated..

Just a little experiment... we will see how it goes.... cheers..

 

[Egzoset]

While we're at it, lets have some more brainstorming alternative(s) in case this present experiment ain't conclusive enough!

 

[Egzoset]

I dunno what you're talking about but i'll signal your not so nice attitude right away. At that rate this is going to amount to about 500 posts a day, congratulations!

 

[Egzoset]

More insults & threats, i don't have a moderator in my pocket but it seems you do. In any case please provide a quote of the offending content if you can find any other than in your imagination. Play nice rings any bells? Reporting again.

 

[Egzoset]

i dont have anything in my pocket...i treat most people right......im not [ self-censored ] like you ....you [ self-censored ]..

i hope your time on this site is running out fast.!.........all you do is [ self-censored ]....

Oh, i think that speaks in a bold way.

 

[Egzoset]

You're not going to stop demonstrating/document your own skills for all to observe, are you?

That's such a shame, i was so eager to continue this discussion which you've interrupted abruptly for some obscure reason!

 

[Nydex]

@1Starway7 while the replies of @Egzoset can sometimes sound a bit more abrasive because of his approach to conversation, I think you're overreacting in this case. He didn't directly insult you or your ideas at any point in time, so I'd appreciate if you could keep the direct insults on your end as well. There's no need to throw those around here.

If you believe his input does not contribute to your thread, kindly ask him to not contribute to your thread and/or ignore his replies completely instead of lashing out like that.

 

[1Starway7]

@1Starway7 while the replies of @Egzoset can sometimes sound a bit more abrasive because of his approach to conversation, I think you're overreacting in this case. He didn't directly insult you or your ideas at any point in time, so I'd appreciate if you could keep the direct insults on your end as well. There's no need to throw those around here.

If you believe his input does not contribute to your thread, kindly ask him to not contribute to your thread and/or ignore his replies completely instead of lashing out like that.

Thanks.... nydex!

Ive nothing against him ...just tryed to avoid him for many weeks..... and ive asked him recently to ...... Please! dont answer my thread!! .....but he does it anyway!.......... he doesnt seem to be able to stay on subject of discussion].....he just rudely pastes somthing taken from the internet ..right in the middle of my thread..that is not at all related to subject...presented as if he is the author...

If he wants to START his own thread...he is free to do this any time...It wont bother me at all....
Ive been on nexus since 2012 ...as starway6.... and NEVER!..... had a problem with anyone!... untill now........

I would like to continue my thread in peace... with polite people ... who are open minded ......i am not a super chemist ..instead i use ..common sense ..logic and study.. to get my ideas..

If my ideas are wrong..then they are wrong....but atleast i tryed!

I created an excelent working convection vape ... from the first ....[origional e mesh conduction vape].... thats why there is over 2000 reads already on this site and more than that on the old nexus...because it works!

now im trying to clean up the impuritys that vaping puts out...with my ideas on using cigarette filters with dmt or other vapable stuff....

thanks...ill try to continue my thread as i get new ideas!

 

[Egzoset]

If you believe his input does not contribute to your thread...

Forget it, i usually react on content but this regretable oversight is now fixed, the civilized way.

 

[Egzoset]

Don't forget to pop this 3rd one too...