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Telepathy

We humans constantly practice a crude form of telepathy through speech, where by the right combination of words we attempt to elicit a given state in the mind of another. I say this tongue in cheek, but it's still very remarkable that it usually works quite well, and in the end is still mind to mind communication.

My hypothesis is that, whatever the mechanism behind it, telepathy type experiences may be a mode of communication left over from the millions of years of anthropoid evolution before the invention of speech. For all that time, humans and proto humans were already social animals with highly complex behaviors. I'm personally inclined to believe it's likely to be based on processing of visual information and smell, they may be able to communicate much more (and more complex) information than we are usually aware of, as we now learn to rely mostly on speech.

This wouldn't apply to possible telepathy at long distances. I'm open to consider the possibility of such a phenomenon, but I think more likely that what happens in those cases is not actually remote, real time communication.
 
Same deal no? The more you separate the inseparable the more bizarre and spreaded experiences can be had, telepathy would make things too simple, too easy to not mess up, no room for miscommunication or deception.
The same happens within ourselves, we are stripped of our true identity, an actor that doesnt believe its role cant trully embody it.
 
ShadedSelf said:
Same deal no? The more you separate the inseparable the more bizarre and spreaded experiences can be had, telepathy would make things too simple, too easy to not mess up, no room for miscommunication or deception.
The same happens within ourselves, we are stripped of our true identity, an actor that doesnt believe its role cant trully embody it.
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I believe it's better when the space for misunderstanding and deception is reduced.
If we consider this in the context of telepathy:
Would telepathic communication take into account the image one has of oneself, or an image that is detached from one’s self-perception?
Here&Now said:
It's cool to see open-mindedness towards something like this. For the average person, real-life examples of telepathy might be a bit nebulous and uncertain. But those of us with a lot of psychedelic experience can at least grasp how mind-to-mind communication might be possible, and more interestingly, how it would actually feel.

One example that comes to mind for me is entity contact on DMT. I would imagine there's some kind of ESP going on there, considering how concepts themselves are seemingly transmitted without the typical medium of sound/language.
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Unfortunately, I lack those intense experiences of telepathic communication with DMT entities.
Because of that, I can’t form a profound opinion on it.
The topic itself is definitely interesting and I can only share some thoughts on it.
But these are dependent on the insights of more experienced users.
 
CosmicRiver said:
Having the same trip (seeing the same things or entities at the same time). Does it count as telepathy? It happens pretty frequently and haven't yet found a "rational" explanation to this
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It's hard to know precisely what you're describing, but if it's basically the transcendent and seemingly impossible nature of deep psychedelic trips, then yeah, I'd at least guess that it's occurring under a similar mechanism as what allows these telepathic experiences.
 
Here&Now said:
It's hard to know precisely what you're describing, but if it's basically the transcendent and seemingly impossible nature of deep psychedelic trips, then yeah, I'd at least guess that it's occurring under a similar mechanism as what allows these telepathic experiences.
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No i mean smoking DMT with a friend and having literally the same trip.
For example: i smoke DMT and see an alien city with trees and futuristic buildings, then come down and ask my friend sitting next to me: "what did you see in your trip?" and he answers "i saw an alien city with trees and futuristic buildings"
 
CosmicRiver said:
No i mean smoking DMT with a friend and having literally the same trip.
For example: i smoke DMT and see an alien city with trees and futuristic buildings, then come down and ask my friend sitting next to me: "what did you see in your trip?" and he answers "i saw an alien city with trees and futuristic buildings"
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Ohh gotcha. Sure, I'm not exactly the expert on all angles of telepathy, but that does sound like potential evidence for a mental connection that you and your friend may have shared. Such interesting stuff. I wish we weren't stuck groping around in the dark with only speculation as an option.
 
Here&Now said:
Ohh gotcha. Sure, I'm not exactly the expert on all angles of telepathy, but that does sound like potential evidence for a mental connection that you and your friend may have shared. Such interesting stuff. I wish we weren't stuck groping around in the dark with only speculation as an option.
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Yea yea , it's coming. Just wait until August .
 
Studies on eye contact (an ancient spiritual technique) shows brain waves synchronizing between participants.

LSD + low dose DMT + eye gazing seems to somewhat reliably result in a kind of shared consciousness state. I've experienced what appears to be extremely specific shared visual/auditory/physical content with others many times.
 
universecannon said:
Studies on eye contact (an ancient spiritual technique) shows brain waves synchronizing between participants.

LSD + low dose DMT + eye gazing seems to somewhat reliably result in a kind of shared consciousness state. I've experienced what appears to be extremely specific shared visual/auditory/physical content with others many times.
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That would be wild to try . I never thought about such things . Eye contact while on psychedelics . Reminds me of Fusion , like in DBZ.
 
universecannon said:
Studies on eye contact (an ancient spiritual technique) shows brain waves synchronizing between participants.

LSD + low dose DMT + eye gazing seems to somewhat reliably result in a kind of shared consciousness state. I've experienced what appears to be extremely specific shared visual/auditory/physical content with others many times.
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Wow, it seems even sober individuals experience brainwave synchronization during eye-contact. Particularly in the gamma wave, which is interesting for anyone who's aware of the typical EEG results observed when measuring a meditation master's brain.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Social synchronization of brain activity increases during eye-contact - PubMed

Humans make eye-contact to extract information about other people's mental states, recruiting dedicated brain networks that process information about the self and others. Recent studies show that eye-contact increases the synchronization between two brains but do not consider its effects on...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Here&Now said:
Wow, it seems even sober individuals experience brainwave synchronization during eye-contact. Particularly in the gamma wave, which is interesting for anyone who's aware of the typical EEG results observed when measuring a meditation master's brain.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Social synchronization of brain activity increases during eye-contact - PubMed

Humans make eye-contact to extract information about other people's mental states, recruiting dedicated brain networks that process information about the self and others. Recent studies show that eye-contact increases the synchronization between two brains but do not consider its effects on...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Hmmm...... 💡
 
Here&Now said:
Wow, it seems even sober individuals experience brainwave synchronization during eye-contact. Particularly in the gamma wave, which is interesting for anyone who's aware of the typical EEG results observed when measuring a meditation master's brain.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Social synchronization of brain activity increases during eye-contact - PubMed

Humans make eye-contact to extract information about other people's mental states, recruiting dedicated brain networks that process information about the self and others. Recent studies show that eye-contact increases the synchronization between two brains but do not consider its effects on...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Sober individuals usually "hallucinate" as well, after enough time.

Look into my eyes: can 10 minutes of staring make you hallucinate?.

I don't recommend it for the faint of heart, as it can get very weird on psychedelics. Especially once you manage to get through the "faces" stage. It feels like a kind of powerful sympathetic resonance that pulls the psychedelic state into vastly greater coherence and focus. It was central to the Vedic traditions and the iconography seems to match.
 
universecannon said:
Sober individuals usually "hallucinate" as well, after enough time.

Look into my eyes: can 10 minutes of staring make you hallucinate?.

I don't recommend it for the faint of heart, as it can get very weird on psychedelics. Especially once you manage to get through the "faces" stage. It feels like a kind of powerful sympathetic resonance that pulls the psychedelic state into vastly greater coherence and focus. It was central to the Vedic traditions and the iconography seems to match.
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Has anyone tried this with a cat ? (X
 
universecannon said:
Sober individuals usually "hallucinate" as well, after enough time.

Look into my eyes: can 10 minutes of staring make you hallucinate?.

I don't recommend it for the faint of heart, as it can get very weird on psychedelics. Especially once you manage to get through the "faces" stage. It feels like a kind of powerful sympathetic resonance that pulls the psychedelic state into vastly greater coherence and focus. It was central to the Vedic traditions and the iconography seems to match.
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The article kind of reminds me of this bizarre illusion:


That's not to take away from the possibility of eye contact having a link with deeper forms of communication. I'm on board with the idea, and it's something I've thought for a long time as well.
 
Here&Now said:
The article kind of reminds me of this bizarre illusion:


That's not to take away from the possibility of eye contact having a link with deeper forms of communication. I'm on board with the idea, and it's something I've thought for a long time as well.
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Some of it is similar to the initial experience, and it does seem like distortion or noise, progressively smoothening out into what eventually feels and looks like archetypal blazing Alex Grey type stuff
 
universecannon said:
Sober individuals usually "hallucinate" as well, after enough time.

Look into my eyes: can 10 minutes of staring make you hallucinate?.

I don't recommend it for the faint of heart, as it can get very weird on psychedelics. Especially once you manage to get through the "faces" stage. It feels like a kind of powerful sympathetic resonance that pulls the psychedelic state into vastly greater coherence and focus. It was central to the Vedic traditions and the iconography seems to match.
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This can be also replicated by looking into a mirror, particularly on a relatively darkened room.
 
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