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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) sublingually
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kemist
John
Have to say this hydrochloide taste pretty vile.
Nothing like harmine freebase isolated by ILPT.
How would one freebased it. Using baking soda or sosium carbonate? Heard that at high pH THH would decompose, is that true.
effects are very nice from 70mg sublingually splashed down with coffee after 15 mins.
Parrots are happy, happy. Just the taste annoy them :?
Nothing like harmine freebase isolated by ILPT.
How would one freebased it. Using baking soda or sosium carbonate? Heard that at high pH THH would decompose, is that true.
effects are very nice from 70mg sublingually splashed down with coffee after 15 mins.
Parrots are happy, happy. Just the taste annoy them :?
69ron
Rising Star
Yeah, it's a salty bitter taste. Actually harmine HCl and harmaline HCl taste worse. The freebases are not as bad tasting. SWIM has never tasted freebase THH though.
When SWIM tried to freebase it with sodium carbonate, it became a brown goo. I don’t if it decomposed or if it “oiled out”. It’s likely it just “oiled out”, and so it could not properly form crystals and remained as a goo.
When SWIM tried to freebase it with sodium carbonate, it became a brown goo. I don’t if it decomposed or if it “oiled out”. It’s likely it just “oiled out”, and so it could not properly form crystals and remained as a goo.
kemist
John
Well ILPT would try to fbase it with baking soda at some point.
Have to say it`s a very nice stuff. It enhance to mood much more then harmine ever did.
It missing that feeling of heaviness in gut. Harmine freebase make parrot`s belly feel a bit uncomfortable even if it`s taken sublingualy.
Harmaline is even worse. ILPT can`t handle that shit, he has very weak stomach
THH is nothing like this ,it enhance mood without that weird tummy discomfort(which is not yet nausea, just discomfort)
There were no visuals or tingling at this dose, just great feeling. Not as good as from cacti but still great.
ILPT need try to do his best to convert his harmine into this beauty.
It superior to harmine and harmaline, very good stuff.
Thanx once again , Mr 69ron
Have to say it`s a very nice stuff. It enhance to mood much more then harmine ever did.
It missing that feeling of heaviness in gut. Harmine freebase make parrot`s belly feel a bit uncomfortable even if it`s taken sublingualy.
Harmaline is even worse. ILPT can`t handle that shit, he has very weak stomach
THH is nothing like this ,it enhance mood without that weird tummy discomfort(which is not yet nausea, just discomfort)
There were no visuals or tingling at this dose, just great feeling. Not as good as from cacti but still great.
ILPT need try to do his best to convert his harmine into this beauty.
It superior to harmine and harmaline, very good stuff.
Thanx once again , Mr 69ron
Madcap
illudium Q-36
Concerning THH: what is the difference dosage wise between sublingual and oral? I really dig the effects I get from 50mg sublingual. What would you guess an equivalent oral dose would be?
How long does the THH stay active? If I take 50mg THH sublingual, I feel like I still feel it for a couple hours...but I could be mistaken as the effects are subtle. I've taken THH 6 times.. only twice with DMT
I find that when I vape DMT with THH (as above) I am very cold afterwords (even a little bit depressed). Like, uncomfortably cold and sad. The first time, I had been a bit shaken by the DMT trip...so I thought the cold, melancholy feeling was coming from my scared vibe. But the same thing happened after I had a really great experience as well.. so I am just not sure whats up. Because THH by itself gives me a positive boost, I am surprised.
How long does the THH stay active? If I take 50mg THH sublingual, I feel like I still feel it for a couple hours...but I could be mistaken as the effects are subtle. I've taken THH 6 times.. only twice with DMT
I find that when I vape DMT with THH (as above) I am very cold afterwords (even a little bit depressed). Like, uncomfortably cold and sad. The first time, I had been a bit shaken by the DMT trip...so I thought the cold, melancholy feeling was coming from my scared vibe. But the same thing happened after I had a really great experience as well.. so I am just not sure whats up. Because THH by itself gives me a positive boost, I am surprised.
kemist
John
ILPT feel it about two-three hours sublingually with almost no afterglow and about six seven hours oraly with about two hours afterglow.
He wouldn`t go more then 50 mg subling. and no more then 200mg oraly. He once tried 220 mg oraly where`s slight headache developed. He also tried 150 mg sublingually in three goes in course of four hours and towards the end significant hedeache developed.
Both times, it was running pretty strong and it was pretty much euphoric, stimulating and fairly psychedelic, while thoughts remained clean and one could easily concentrate.
One have to dose high but can NOT overdoes it, otherwise headache spoils the experience.
Don`t take this dosage info for granted, everybody`s brain chemistry is different.
e.g. ILPT is not sensitive to 5MeoDMT at all he need tons of virola t. resin to feel something and has very little effects from chali.He also need a bit more DMT then others.Yet he is quite sensitive to mescaline (phenethylamines generaly) and harmalas and moderately sensitive to LSD and LSA/LSH
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He wouldn`t go more then 50 mg subling. and no more then 200mg oraly. He once tried 220 mg oraly where`s slight headache developed. He also tried 150 mg sublingually in three goes in course of four hours and towards the end significant hedeache developed.
Both times, it was running pretty strong and it was pretty much euphoric, stimulating and fairly psychedelic, while thoughts remained clean and one could easily concentrate.
One have to dose high but can NOT overdoes it, otherwise headache spoils the experience.
Don`t take this dosage info for granted, everybody`s brain chemistry is different.
e.g. ILPT is not sensitive to 5MeoDMT at all he need tons of virola t. resin to feel something and has very little effects from chali.He also need a bit more DMT then others.Yet he is quite sensitive to mescaline (phenethylamines generaly) and harmalas and moderately sensitive to LSD and LSA/LSH
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I had my first ever full on DMT freakout last night.
I had 50mg THH sublingually then 2 hours later smoked a tiny 10mg's of spice. Next thing I know my heart is going crazy and I get that urge to run to the bathroom. Halfway there I start giggling because my legs look like they are made of lego and there's digital fish swimming all around me. Then I hit the deck for 10 seconds, then go back to bed until my pulse calms down. I had a weird pain in my left arm and my heart was going c c c crazy!!! Scarey shit. All the while I was fully OEV immersed.
It was 45-50 minutes later until I was back to baseline. After that I had a very sharp headache that was very localised to a small point near my left temple for about 3 hours. Funny thing is I was barely feeling the THH. I was not expecting 10mgs to do that! I'd never heard of such a crazy reaction with this combo. I guess I had too much THH, if that's the case that stuff is way more transparent than I ever imagined. Only effects before the DMT seemed to be the slightest euphoria, with no physical sensations.
My experience with smoke DMT/Harmala combo has been from smoking rue extracts or caapi leaves with DMT and it was always more mellow. This caught me very much by surprise. The onset was so fast.
Was I probably using too much THH or do you think it's possible that some folk can have a bad reaction too it? I have to admit I'm a little apprehensive about using THH for pharmahusca now.
I had 50mg THH sublingually then 2 hours later smoked a tiny 10mg's of spice. Next thing I know my heart is going crazy and I get that urge to run to the bathroom. Halfway there I start giggling because my legs look like they are made of lego and there's digital fish swimming all around me. Then I hit the deck for 10 seconds, then go back to bed until my pulse calms down. I had a weird pain in my left arm and my heart was going c c c crazy!!! Scarey shit. All the while I was fully OEV immersed.
It was 45-50 minutes later until I was back to baseline. After that I had a very sharp headache that was very localised to a small point near my left temple for about 3 hours. Funny thing is I was barely feeling the THH. I was not expecting 10mgs to do that! I'd never heard of such a crazy reaction with this combo. I guess I had too much THH, if that's the case that stuff is way more transparent than I ever imagined. Only effects before the DMT seemed to be the slightest euphoria, with no physical sensations.
My experience with smoke DMT/Harmala combo has been from smoking rue extracts or caapi leaves with DMT and it was always more mellow. This caught me very much by surprise. The onset was so fast.
Was I probably using too much THH or do you think it's possible that some folk can have a bad reaction too it? I have to admit I'm a little apprehensive about using THH for pharmahusca now.
ismokecrystals
Rising Star
Definitely not too much THH. I go for 80-100mg sublingually.
69ron
Rising Star
SWIM has used up to 160 mg THH sublingually, but prefers about 10 mg or so that way.
One a side note, SWIM has experienced short DMT-like visual effects lasting about 10-20 seconds during the peak of a 160 mg THH experience without using DMT. This has also happened from 250 mg orally. This has happened quite a few times. The visions are short. It’s almost like your brain notices it happening and quickly shuts it off. I wonder if it is temporarily activating natural DMT in the brain?
One a side note, SWIM has experienced short DMT-like visual effects lasting about 10-20 seconds during the peak of a 160 mg THH experience without using DMT. This has also happened from 250 mg orally. This has happened quite a few times. The visions are short. It’s almost like your brain notices it happening and quickly shuts it off. I wonder if it is temporarily activating natural DMT in the brain?
That sounds a bit scary. That can come from too high pulse and bloodpressure. It can be dangerous. Did it feel like a radiating pain?soulfood said:
It felt like a constant pressure around just above the inside of my elbow.
69ron
Rising Star
People use ayahuasca all the time and that can have a ton of THH in it. That doesn't sound normal. You should probably stop using all drugs for a few days. Maybe some unusual interaction has occurred between the MAOI and some food or drugs lingering in your body?
starway7
Rising Star
Here are some old posts on THH...
It appears that 200 mgs or higher of THH...is concidered a bit high and not needed..
A smaller dose of THH 21mgs kept well below 50 mgs is Plenty!
I also read a report that THH at 200mgs can be the cause of dizzyness,,,and a lower dose of THH may be safer .....
It appears that 200 mgs or higher of THH...is concidered a bit high and not needed..
A smaller dose of THH 21mgs kept well below 50 mgs is Plenty!
I also read a report that THH at 200mgs can be the cause of dizzyness,,,and a lower dose of THH may be safer .....
ava69
Rising Star
Starway 7 said:
As someone who has used THH nearly a hundred times, I've attached a paper showing 152mg THH is considered a "normal amount found" in a typical brew. I'm one of the biggest supporters and readers of 69ron, but when it comes to THH, just use it orally imho, I'll explain why below.
Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."
See trip report post #57: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
When people drink Ayahuasca, they routinely take additonal cups of the brew, so in one night some may be taking in close to 300mg of THH.
A little bit more on tetrahydroharmine:
1) She has very strong serotonin blocking action, which results not only in stimulation but powerful transcendence as the daily survival filters are lifted so that "mind at large" as coined by Aldous Huxley can be let loose, when combined with DMT, which does not block serotonin on it's own, you then get the "full monty" mind expansion powerful transcendence. See link above post #32 for journey reports of 300mg THH on it's own. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline as noted by not only myself, but another person here. I have seen the receptorome data for THH, which not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 of the adrenal receptors just like mescaline which are associated with powerful visionary activity, perception of beauty and aesthetics.
2) She is feminine, which is why I always associate feminine pictures and energy with my journey trip reports that involve her. Queen of the Forest is what I like to call her.
3) She seems to be very stable indefinitely. I've used THH that was many years old that I had lost, still worked exactly the same. Wikipedia to find out more about it (good page on it), or read attached paper. Even Shulgin remarks in the book TIHKAL that "studies on THH are absolutely imperative." He also remarked that it probably holds one of the keys to unlocking Ayahuasca, but we just didn't know it yet.
4) I see zero need to use THH sublingually...Please just take tetrahydroharmine orally between 150 to 300mg. She causes no dizziness at 250mg or below, and only a tiny bit at 300mg, but once you are used to her, no dizziness even at 300mg. ZERO nausea, ZERO queasiness, so just consume THH orally at a powerful amount found in normal Ayahuasca brew which if you read attached paper is at least 150mg.
Many take multiple cups of Ayahuasca, so the THH is additive in effect, with a half life of 10.5 hours, so you get 5 hours of super strong effects, once you reach 300mg, the powerful CEV visions are seen for hours on end, phenomenal, them combine with DMT and the visions multiply and become colored and even brighter, as THH visions alone are monochrome (one-color) usually in green or blue. The DMT adds color and brightness to the visions, and adds to them exponentially.
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Typical trip: At 9pm that same night, took another 100mg of THH, for a total of 350mg of THH for afternoon & night, before I fell asleep, I watched dream-like monochrome imagery (usually always in green or blue for me) as the THH was still working...for around 45 minutes I viewed mind-blowing vistas--grand architecture and cities, a bookshelf full of ancient books, a view of the gardens in front of what looked like Versailles, France.
I traveled down a street in Midieval period where I saw beautiful women walking along the street, I could make out the houses & markets along the street. Many of these visions are like slow speed movies being played, way beyond 4k, highly detailed...true Ayahuasca visions...this always happens when I take at least 300mg or more of tetrahydroharmine during the late afternoon/early night. This is one of the best parts of the journey imho.
I've taken 300mg of THH on it's own many times and for hours with eyes closed I view endless dream-like visions, like slow and high speed movies being played for 2 hours...totally unlike normal dreams, she seems to tap into the "Akashic record" of the universe, the ether where all events, past, present, and future are stored...she shows you artwork, architecture, nature, culture, fantasy, history, the future, spiritual, supernatural. The visions are also characterized by the extraordinary beauty that they manifest.
Tetrahydroharmine was called by one researcher "the tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" to give an example of her remarkable visionary properties. She is an isomer of a hormonal-like compound found in the brain naturally, she is what gives Ayahuasca her telapathine or telethapy properties and CEV dream-like visionary power.
I agree that 300mg THH in Caapi is just as visual as 100mg harmaline (as reported in TIHKAL), but without the nausea and dizziness, but it's not especially visual until say 250 to 300mg, then it gives one 1.5 to 2 hours of incredible closed eye realistic visions, this places it very high on the "psychedelic periodic table" for visions compared to just about any other entheogen.
It's like entering a university, she teaches you for hours with not only sequential visions one after another, but visions seen in continuous slow and high speed movies. She tells you a story for a long period. There is a theme to it all each time, the beautiful visions never repeat session to session. I only rarely go beyond 300mg THH, as a little dizziness sets in above 300mg for sure. No dizziness at 250mg, only a tiny bit at 300mg.
Several weeks ago, after drinking 300mg tetrahydroharmine, I saw the interior decorations of palaces, the checkered floors, the beautiful windows and furniture, the winding stair cases, I was blown away.
I've seen sacred temples for religious worship, beautiful animals and super fine women, birds of all kinds, even the lost city of Atlantis, I was taken in for a bird's eye view, zooming in from way above to all the way down into the city center.
Caapi tells a story when you drink it with eyes closed, she teaches you things, the most beautiful "realistic visions" that no other entheogen comes close to showing you, these realistic visions go on forever with Caapi, I can recline and watch for 2 hours or more the visions, the visions are quite powerful for the first 45 minutes. You can take additional THH hours later to bring back the visions again for another 45 minutes, the doses are additive.
300mg plus of THH showed me closed eye vision of gardens at Versailles, France
Pic: Ayahuasca, Queen of the Forest
I'm so glad you are into all of this starway7, we need more people like you.
As someone who has used THH nearly a hundred times, I've attached a paper showing 152mg THH is considered a "normal amount found" in a typical brew. I'm one of the biggest supporters and readers of 69ron, but when it comes to THH, just use it orally imho, I'll explain why below.
Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."
See trip report post #57: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
When people drink Ayahuasca, they routinely take additonal cups of the brew, so in one night some may be taking in close to 300mg of THH.
A little bit more on tetrahydroharmine:
1) She has very strong serotonin blocking action, which results not only in stimulation but powerful transcendence as the daily survival filters are lifted so that "mind at large" as coined by Aldous Huxley can be let loose, when combined with DMT, which does not block serotonin on it's own, you then get the "full monty" mind expansion powerful transcendence. See link above post #32 for journey reports of 300mg THH on it's own. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline as noted by not only myself, but another person here. I have seen the receptorome data for THH, which not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 of the adrenal receptors just like mescaline which are associated with powerful visionary activity, perception of beauty and aesthetics.
2) She is feminine, which is why I always associate feminine pictures and energy with my journey trip reports that involve her. Queen of the Forest is what I like to call her.
3) She seems to be very stable indefinitely. I've used THH that was many years old that I had lost, still worked exactly the same. Wikipedia to find out more about it (good page on it), or read attached paper. Even Shulgin remarks in the book TIHKAL that "studies on THH are absolutely imperative." He also remarked that it probably holds one of the keys to unlocking Ayahuasca, but we just didn't know it yet.
4) I see zero need to use THH sublingually...Please just take tetrahydroharmine orally between 150 to 300mg. She causes no dizziness at 250mg or below, and only a tiny bit at 300mg, but once you are used to her, no dizziness even at 300mg. ZERO nausea, ZERO queasiness, so just consume THH orally at a powerful amount found in normal Ayahuasca brew which if you read attached paper is at least 150mg.
Many take multiple cups of Ayahuasca, so the THH is additive in effect, with a half life of 10.5 hours, so you get 5 hours of super strong effects, once you reach 300mg, the powerful CEV visions are seen for hours on end, phenomenal, them combine with DMT and the visions multiply and become colored and even brighter, as THH visions alone are monochrome (one-color) usually in green or blue. The DMT adds color and brightness to the visions, and adds to them exponentially.
-----------------------------------------
Typical trip: At 9pm that same night, took another 100mg of THH, for a total of 350mg of THH for afternoon & night, before I fell asleep, I watched dream-like monochrome imagery (usually always in green or blue for me) as the THH was still working...for around 45 minutes I viewed mind-blowing vistas--grand architecture and cities, a bookshelf full of ancient books, a view of the gardens in front of what looked like Versailles, France.
I traveled down a street in Midieval period where I saw beautiful women walking along the street, I could make out the houses & markets along the street. Many of these visions are like slow speed movies being played, way beyond 4k, highly detailed...true Ayahuasca visions...this always happens when I take at least 300mg or more of tetrahydroharmine during the late afternoon/early night. This is one of the best parts of the journey imho.
I've taken 300mg of THH on it's own many times and for hours with eyes closed I view endless dream-like visions, like slow and high speed movies being played for 2 hours...totally unlike normal dreams, she seems to tap into the "Akashic record" of the universe, the ether where all events, past, present, and future are stored...she shows you artwork, architecture, nature, culture, fantasy, history, the future, spiritual, supernatural. The visions are also characterized by the extraordinary beauty that they manifest.
Tetrahydroharmine was called by one researcher "the tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" to give an example of her remarkable visionary properties. She is an isomer of a hormonal-like compound found in the brain naturally, she is what gives Ayahuasca her telapathine or telethapy properties and CEV dream-like visionary power.
I agree that 300mg THH in Caapi is just as visual as 100mg harmaline (as reported in TIHKAL), but without the nausea and dizziness, but it's not especially visual until say 250 to 300mg, then it gives one 1.5 to 2 hours of incredible closed eye realistic visions, this places it very high on the "psychedelic periodic table" for visions compared to just about any other entheogen.
It's like entering a university, she teaches you for hours with not only sequential visions one after another, but visions seen in continuous slow and high speed movies. She tells you a story for a long period. There is a theme to it all each time, the beautiful visions never repeat session to session. I only rarely go beyond 300mg THH, as a little dizziness sets in above 300mg for sure. No dizziness at 250mg, only a tiny bit at 300mg.
Several weeks ago, after drinking 300mg tetrahydroharmine, I saw the interior decorations of palaces, the checkered floors, the beautiful windows and furniture, the winding stair cases, I was blown away.
I've seen sacred temples for religious worship, beautiful animals and super fine women, birds of all kinds, even the lost city of Atlantis, I was taken in for a bird's eye view, zooming in from way above to all the way down into the city center.
Caapi tells a story when you drink it with eyes closed, she teaches you things, the most beautiful "realistic visions" that no other entheogen comes close to showing you, these realistic visions go on forever with Caapi, I can recline and watch for 2 hours or more the visions, the visions are quite powerful for the first 45 minutes. You can take additional THH hours later to bring back the visions again for another 45 minutes, the doses are additive.
300mg plus of THH showed me closed eye vision of gardens at Versailles, France
Pic: Ayahuasca, Queen of the Forest
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starway7
Rising Star
Not saying where im ordering from....But Im in process of ordering some THH but a little confused at how to get the best cleanest purity?
Ive read on old reports that THH citrate is only half as strong as THH HCL/?
When i called a place online and he said their THH is THH freebase?...98 percent purity...
And when i asked if it was the stronger ..HCL THH...? instead of the weaker citrate HCL he got confused...... and said the product was HCL Freebase!
Is freebae THH the purist and most potent choice?
Any opinions welcome!
Ive read on old reports that THH citrate is only half as strong as THH HCL/?
When i called a place online and he said their THH is THH freebase?...98 percent purity...
And when i asked if it was the stronger ..HCL THH...? instead of the weaker citrate HCL he got confused...... and said the product was HCL Freebase!
Is freebae THH the purist and most potent choice?
Any opinions welcome!
shroombee
Esteemed member
You can get 99.9% pure THH freebase from Liftmode.
I believe most of the latest tests we're doing are with THH freebase.
I believe most of the latest tests we're doing are with THH freebase.