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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) sublingually

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Prove you're not spreading fear. Shows us the proof. I don't believe it ONE BIT.
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I've already said it could well be safe. It's quite possible that harmaloids, like moclobemide, have no effect on tyrosine metabolism. I've said that several times.

I've also said that's not the point. We don't really know whether it's safe or not. It's easy to take reasonable precautions until we know more.

You, on the other hand, are the one proclaiming it's completely safe. Well... show us it's safe. Show us the science proving that harmala alks don't effect tyramine metabolism. That's what you said... so back it up.
 
I want proof. I'm tried of all this talk. Where's the proof?
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Me too. This started with your proclamation harmaloids are safe because they are RIMA's. You were full of crap. Now you keep asking me to prove they are unsafe when I've said repeatedly they could well be safe, but we don't know. So eat your own words--you claim they are safe?

I want proof. I'm tired of all this talk. Where's the proof?
 
I've already posted it before many times in many forums. I'm not doing it again just to make you happy.
 
And hey, take your time. I just did 20 mg of THH, and can already tell I won't be interested in continuing this tonight. But I'll be back tomorrow expecting that proof.
 
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and while he never would recommend this...my friend has also taken THH with MDA, MDMA, and some other RC's such as 2ce, 2ci, 2ct2...granted..it increased the effects dramatically..but it wasnt life threatening or even worrisome


You're friend is an idiot who's lucky to be alive. It happens. Hear about the guy who jumped from an airplane and his parachute didn't work? He bounced a few times on someones lawn, broke every bone in his body, but still survived. Go figure. Besides, THH? Minor MAOI effect. Tell your friend to try gain with harmaline... again... scratch that. Tell your friend to count himself lucky and move on.
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well the reason SWIM used THH is BECAUSE it has MINOR maoi effects..do you think somebody would do that with harmaline!? are you kidding me?! youre a dick for even saying try that with harmaline..what the hell do you think you are saying?! harmaline is a much more powerful MAOI than thh...thats why he wont use it for that purpose..

there is a reason he used thh and a small amount for potentiating phenethylamines! because its MILD..and like i wrote earlier...HE DOESNT RECOMMEND ANYBODY TRYING IT! because he knows its dangerous...

but seriously...i have been reading this site..and others for a long time..and has NEVER heard of anybody having ANY problems with tyramine and harmalas...and that includes the 'few people' i know that have tried it..

if you havent noticed...this area of drug interactions are our specialty..you think we just make this shit up or something? where is your info saying that its even REMOTELY dangerous!?
 
Xlplytsym, I'm not posting it in this thread just to please you. You've been very disrespectful.

Rather than do that I'll put together an article about it and put in the Wiki section so I can refer people like you to it rather than talk about this over and over and over with every new guy that wants to spread paranoia about harmala alkaloids.

There’s not a SINGLE case of a human death attributed to harmala alkaloids EVER. Not from "cheese syndrome" or even an overdose.
 
but seriously...i have been reading this site..and others for a long time..and has NEVER heard of anybody having ANY problems with tyramine and harmalas...and that includes the 'few people' i know that have tried it..
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I have. Certainly nothing close to death, but I still don't think we know everything about these complex substances and their even more complex interactions with the body.
 
obviously we dont know EVERYTHING about the interactions...but what Coatl have you heard about problems with tyramine and harmalas? the worst thing that has ever happened to SWIM was puking or shitting..and maybe a slight headache(this happened when he combined thh with MDA)
 
Yes, I have. More than once.

I personally drank a Coca-cola while on Caapi and had a SERIOUS headache (like as in, I had to go lay down and do nothing else). I have also heard plenty of similar reports from others.

Now does Coca-cola have tyramine? Hell if I know. Did it give me a horrible headache while on Caapi? Well hell ya... so I won't be doing that again!

This subject is making me want to eat some more cheeseSmile God I love cheese
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Ya dude, I could go for some bre' right now!

the worst thing that has ever happened to SWIM was puking or shitting..and maybe a slight headache(this happened when he combined thh with MDA)
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Right. Never heard of anything close to death, but it's no fun poopin' and your head hurting while trippin'!

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hahahah SWIM loves a nice shit while tripping...thats when he gets his best visuals!! and its likely that the reason for the headache is from the caffeine..
 
Harmalas can cause unusual interactions with some foods containing caffeine. That's for sure. Coffee seems extra strong for SWIM during ayahuasca. SWIM cannot eat chocolate candy while using harmaline without getting nauseated. But he can eat aged cheese, and lots of it, without a problem.

His favorite snack during pharmahuasca is a grilled cheese sandwich with garlic and jalapenos. Mmmmm. He usually has it about 5 minutes after taking the pharmahuasca.
 
while SWIM was on san pedro extract...and pharmahuasca he ate a whole bunch of brei and aged extra sharp cheddar..so..there is tyramine in the san pedro extract..and there is tyramine in the cheese..and lots of it...no nausea..no headache..nothing..just a wonderful night..

and i do understand that everybody interacts with drugs differently..but..hey..more people die every year from peanuts than they do from MDMA...so...

EDIT: SWIM love to eat food while on pharma...usually right after taking it..and then about an hour or two after effects kick in...he loves to eat..and it tastes good

also when he eats food during pharma experiences..a few minutes after he eats he notices a nice increase in the effects
 
[quote='Coatl]You eat food WITH your pharmahuasca?
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Yes, it helps calm SWIM's stomach if he eats 5 minutes after taking it.
 
SWIM used to be like what's his name, and was afraid to eat cheese with harmala alkaloids because of what he read about MAOI compounds. Until one day, he was tripping really hard and forgot he wasn’t supposed to eat aged cheese. He ate a ton of pizza topped with 3 kinds of aged cheese. He ate half the pizza, and then thought, “OH SHIT WHAT DID I DO!” He got REALLY PARANOID he was going to die from “cheese syndrome”…then after a few minute he forgot about it because he was tripping REALLY HARD. After the peak, he looked at the dinner table and saw half of the pizza sitting there, he was full and he felt fine. No “cheese syndrome”, a full stomach, that was it.

Since then he eats cheese all the time without a problem. He doesn’t think twice about it.

However coffee, that's a different story. It's much stronger with harmine and harmaline (but weaker with THH) and can be unpleasant if you drink too much.

SWIM has had really strong coffee with THH and never noticed any potentiation of the caffeine by THH. The combination is pleasant. The THH takes the edge off of the coffee.
 
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I meant wrong in the sense of the word "only."
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Wikipedia didn't say that, I did...I quoted wikipedia in blockquotes. I probably should have rephrased it as "the only food that I know of that should probably be avoided." SWIM has used it to potentiate DXM.

SWIM loves blue cheese and brie and has definitely partaken in it with harmaloids in his system (he gets quite hungry shortly after the journey) and before taking harmaloids. He's also loves dark chocolate while on just about anything. He avoids caffeine in general, though, so he can't be sure of what interactions that might have.
 
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