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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) sublingually

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Last night SWIM tried tetrahydroharmine with bufotenine (5-HO-DMT). He was doing an experiment using various Yopo extracts at different pH values. The extract with the majority of the bufotenine was vaporized at 10 mg. As usually there were very strong visions and imaginary sounds experienced. After the 1 hour point, most of the effects were gone so he decided to try 20 mg of pure tetrahydroharmine citrate sublingually just to see what would happen. After about 10 minutes into it, once the effects of the tetrahydroharmine kicked in, he swallowed it. The bufotenine trip took on a more relaxed peaceful mood. The tetrahydroharmine seemed to smooth out the rough edges very nicely. After about 30 minutes into it, the visual effects of the bufotenine started coming back again. A second peak was experienced. This was about the same as bufotenine normally is, but with much more tingling and a more relaxed peaceful state of mind. It was very pleasant.

He’s going to try this combination again, but next time by first pre-dosing with the tetrahydroharmine.



He’s also tried THH with 5-MeO-DMT (actually just pure Virola resin). In this test he pre-dosed with the THH, and took the 5-MeO-DMT sublingually about 20 minutes afterwards. There was a definite increase in 5-MeO-DMT potency felt, plus a relaxed state of mind. It was a nice combination. The dose was small though, about 20 mg of THH citrate sublingually and 100 mg of Virola resin (about maybe just 1 mg of 5-MeO-DMT). It was enough for mild psychedelic effects and mild euphoria.
 
sweet 69ron...SWIM might try his dirty bufotenine with some thh and see what happens...will do a predose with it to lengthen the experience..its good to hear it went smoothly...

i love this site
 
My experiences with THH

1) 26mgs sublingually. Came on rather quick, long before what I had under my tongue was gone. A little euphoric at first, but gave way to minor dysphoria..weird. Slightly sedating, but not even close to harmaline. Fell asleep about 1.5 hours into it with some effects still lingering

2) 30mgs in the cheek (dipped) took about an hour to fully dissolve and be absorbed..again effects were felt very quickly (within 5 minutes). Feeling increased over the next hour to a very pleasant body tingle, no dysphoria, and some slight euphoria. Very nice. Effects lasted 2.5 hours. I want to note that I got a small chemical burn where a clump was up against my gum for an hour. It tastes quite sour (citrate salt, go figure), but did not really taste all that bad.

I'm not sure why my first experience was not as pleasant as my second.

I may be sensitive to THH, but I don't seem to be exceptionally sensitive to Caapi. Dunno.'

I will probably try again tonight with a 40mg dose.

I also have plans to predose with some THH before my next Ayahuasca (Caapi+Chaliponga)Journey. Hopefully that alters the experience in a positive way.
 
acolon_5 said:
My experiences with THH

1) 26mgs sublingually. Came on rather quick, long before what I had under my tongue was gone. A little euphoric at first, but gave way to minor dysphoria..weird. Slightly sedating, but not even close to harmaline. Fell asleep about 1.5 hours into it with some effects still lingering
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Yeah, definitely it’s slightly sedating. But nothing nearly as sedating as harmaline is.

Did you notice any mental effects?
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2) 30mgs in the cheek (dipped) took about an hour to fully dissolve and be absorbed..again effects were felt very quickly (within 5 minutes). Feeling increased over the next hour to a very pleasant body tingle, no dysphoria, and some slight euphoria. Very nice. Effects lasted 2.5 hours. I want to note that I got a small chemical burn where a clump was up against my gum for an hour. It tastes quite sour (citrate salt, go figure), but did not really taste all that bad.
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What do you mean by “dipped”?

At what point did you feel the peak?

acolon_5 said:
I'm not sure why my first experience was not as pleasant as my second.

I may be sensitive to THH, but I don't seem to be exceptionally sensitive to Caapi. Dunno.'

I will probably try again tonight with a 40mg dose.

I also have plans to predose with some THH before my next Ayahuasca (Caapi+Chaliponga)Journey. Hopefully that alters the experience in a positive way.
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How would you compare THH to harmaline or harmine?
 
Did you notice any mental effects?
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Honestly, not really. I was at home and pretty tired for the first experience and at work for the second. I was able to function quite normally on both.

What do you mean by “dipped”?

At what point did you feel the peak?
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Dipped, as in put in between the cheek and gum similar to how some people use snuff tobacco. Peak hit about 20-30 minutes.

How would you compare THH to harmaline or harmine?
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Well that's kind of hard to do. I've never used harmine or harmaline sublingually, but to me THH is milder and more pleasant than either. I did another test run at 36mgs today, there was more euphoria, still no noticable mental effects, and quite a bit of body tingling. I think the higher doses avoid the dysphoria that I experience with my first dosage (maybe, still not sure what caused my unpleasant feelings on my first trial run).

Overall I am quite pleased with this material. I plan on getting quite a bit more of it to experiement with.
 
After reading this thread i could not help but to order some THH.It sounds everyones having overall positive experiences.
I do have a couple questions swims still has yet to smoke dmt w/ an maoi,which i heard can extend the experience for a couple hrs. but from what i've been reading about THH sounds like it might be a little more subtle and at a lower dose,might be a good way for swim to get his feet wet smoking the spice with an maoi without committing to a two hr. journey? I's my thinking right?

I'm seeing that people are sayng that 25mg is a good mild starting point without any spice.

If 50mg of spice was included do you think swim should take less than 25mg of thh subligually,especially being that he wants to sart off slow,any feedback?

One last thing, my gfriend is on an ssri, so i am assuming that thh would be dangerous for her and she should not join in the fun. Any feedback would be much appreciated. That stuff is pretty cheap,eh?
 
Dwhitty76 said:
After reading this thread i could not help but to order some THH.It sounds everyones having overall positive experiences.
I do have a couple questions swims still has yet to smoke dmt w/ an maoi,which i heard can extend the experience for a couple hrs. but from what i've been reading about THH sounds like it might be a little more subtle and at a lower dose,might be a good way for swim to get his feet wet smoking the spice with an maoi without committing to a two hr. journey? I's my thinking right?

I'm seeing that people are sayng that 25mg is a good mild starting point without any spice.

If 50mg of spice was included do you think swim should take less than 25mg of thh subligually,especially being that he wants to sart off slow,any feedback?

One last thing, my gfriend is on an ssri, so i am assuming that thh would be dangerous for her and she should not join in the fun. Any feedback would be much appreciated. That stuff is pretty cheap,eh?
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yes your girlfriend should not partake with the THH...i would also be careful about her smoking spice too...ive heard of this girl that was on an ssri and had a very very negative experience that lasted a long time...this was her first and last time smoking it...if you do give it to your girlfriend...start way slow and see how she reacts...if you see any bad signs..it might be a good idea to take it wicked slow...

and one thing that SWIM has found..is that most of time he doesnt need the full 50mg to breakthrough...SWIM thinks it would be good to take around 30mg of THH..and then supplement with 25mg doses of spice until you feel you are far enough...with the THH you have a bit more time to smoke...it doesnt need to be so rushed
 
jorkest said:
yes your girlfriend should not partake with the THH...i would also be careful about her smoking spice too...ive heard of this girl that was on an ssri and had a very very negative experience that lasted a long time...this was her first and last time smoking it...if you do give it to your girlfriend...start way slow and see how she reacts...if you see any bad signs..it might be a good idea to take it wicked slow...
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Swims gfriiend cant get off on spice at all... i've seen her smoke 3 huge tokes w/ absolutuly no effects, she is ultimately cut off from dmt world :cry: ... atleast untill she gets off her medication(she can take psilo). I just wanted to make sure about the THH,even though it seemed pretty obvious (no maoi with ssri).

Swim will probably take it real slow...w/ mabey 20mg of THH by itself. From what i'm hearing it sounds like it is similar to taking caapi by itself,which swim hasnt done yet either.It also sounds like at small dosages,one remains pretty functional whith a warm serene glow.

Once he gets a feel for the THH the he will incorperate a little bit of spice.Swim is a lot more careful with psychedelics that he was in his younger days.

He just wanted the feedback of others that do have more experience w/ these specific ethneogens than he does. :)
 
[quote='Coatl]Can ya smoke THH? You can smoke Harmine and harmaline, right?[/quote]

I’ve read THH is active by smoking as freebase. It should be stronger, come on quicker, and have shorter duration if smoked as freebase. I don’t know of anyone who’s tried smoking it though. You should freebase it first if you plan to smoke it.
 
I barely even know what your talking about, I have a vauge idea, is it currently in citric form? Which would not be smokable? In what form is it in Caapi? Salt?
 
Dwhitty76 said:
Do you guys think an maoi diet, a day prior to sublingual thh would be good? or insignificant
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SWIM never follows the MAOI diet when he uses harmala alkaloids. NEVER. They are RIMAs and as such do not require strict MAOI diets. He's never had any reactions of any kind with harmala alkaloids, unless they are mixed with drugs, in which case reactions are to be expected.

Some people MIGHT have a reaction with food while taking RIMAs, but it's very unusual.

The last time SWIM used 200 mg of THH citrate orally, during the peak he drank a very strong cup of coffee. There was no negative interaction at all. In fact the THH sort of diminished the effects of the coffee.

THH is only a weak RIMA (a subclass of MAOI compounds that are relatively safe) and a weak SSRI.

The natives that use ayahuasca DO NOT FOLLOW MAOI DIETS and they are all fine. They do have a special spiritual diet that some of them follow, but it's completely unrelated to the modern MAOI diets. Most of the people I know don’t fast or do anything special before having ayahuasca. They often have it right after dinner at night.

I know some people believe the diets are somehow beneficial, but I think it’s a load of crap. SWIM is far more likely to get an upset stomach from ayahuasca if he has it on an empty stomach. So he always eats before hand and never takes it on an empty stomach.

SWIM also does this with mushrooms. He finds it unpleasant if taken on an empty stomach, so he always uses them after having snack.
 
[quote='Coatl]I barely even know what your talking about, I have a vauge idea, is it currently in citric form? Which would not be smokable? In what form is it in Caapi? Salt?

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Alkaloids are available as either freebase alkaloids or salts. Salts are bases combined with acids. Freebase alkaloids are alkaline bases with nothing attached to them. Alkaloid salts are attached to acids such as fumaric acid, hydrochloric acid, citric acid, etc. Alkaloid salts are more stable, and usually more water soluble than freebase alkaloids.

Nearly all plants contain alkaloids as water soluble salts. Its extremely unusual for a plant to contain freebase alkaloids.

Freebase alkaloids normally boil at lower temperatures than alkaloid salts do. This makes them more suitable to smoking. But that doesn’t mean you can’t smoke an alkaloid salt. Many alkaloid salts are smokable. For example, you can smoke peganum harmala seeds, and they contain harmine and harmaline as water soluble salts. But freebase harmine and freebase harmaline are more effective when smoked.

You might be able to smoke THH citrate (which is the alkaline base tetrahydroharmine combined with the common fruit acid known as citric acid). No one I know has tried it though. THH is rather pricey. SWIM doesn’t have money to burn and is not likely to burn his THH any time soon.
 
MAOI diets for THH seems completely unnecessary...however the DIETA is a spiritual purification practice that many find quite beneficial when using Ayahuasca, so don't write that completely off.


Dwhitty76, please tell your gf that SSRI's cause much more harm than most people understand. W/D's, screwed up serotonin receptors (leading to depression [weird no?], suicidal thoughts, and depressed sex drive just to name a few) are just a few things that these poisons accomplish.

Ayahuasca has been proven to be much more beneficial in curing depression than these pharma quick fixes that only patch the problem, not fix it.

'Coatl,

If you are looking for other methods I am going to try intranasal and rectal administration this week at some point. Not sure where you stand on those methods. Sublingual works well, but I fear that I am not really getting all of it. I'm not sure I want to mess with freebasing it being as I don't have that much material to begin with. I know that rectal administration works very well for a bunch of materials and is only a tad less effective than intravenously. Not much would be needed I guess. I’ll start at 24mgs.

BTW, I assume that is our forum that is buying up all of this guys supply. He just restocked two days ago and is out again! 69Ron, you should get a big thanks from them!

Has anyone else noted a mood change? I’ve been dosing daily between 24-40mgs for quite a few days and have noticed a very pleasant uplifting in my mood.
 
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