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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) sublingually
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69ron
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A candle flame is hot enough to do it. That gets to about 1832 F.
Don't treat it like it’s the fragile DMT. Bufotenine is a tough molecule when it comes to heat. You need to torch it! Treat it like you’re smoking salvinorin A. Use the same smoking procedure. But start with very small inhalations (too small for effect) and work up once every minute until you get a really large lung full. Don’t get it all at once.
You want to use a torch lighter for the best effects. Toke a little bit (not enough for effects), then a little more, then a little more, and then finally a massive toke. Space each toke apart by about 1-2 minutes. With each inhalation hold it for about 20 seconds. It takes only 20 seconds for the bufotenine to solidify in your lungs.
Smoking technique is the key to avoiding side effects. You get tolerance to the side effects faster than tolerance to the hallucinogenic effects. So the more often you smoke it, the quicker you get tolerance to the side effects. Meaning it’s better to start with a low dose and work up over the course of several minutes than to smoke one large toke. You’re much more likely to get nausea and head tension for a few minutes if you inhale one large toke. If you do it gradually over several minutes you won’t get nausea or head tension, but you need a little bit more for the effects. The hallucinogenic effects are also improved by using this method. It becomes more DMT-like if you space out the inhalations like I said.
With bufotenine, there are three stages: onset, peak, and decline. Each stage is a little different. The start of the onset is where the side effects are. This is also where the most effects on the mind are. The visuals at this point are very rounded and thin, almost like dancing snakes, and unlike anything else. The auditory effects are most noticeable in the onset, and there is sometimes prickling sensations felt in the head. At the peak, the side effects are usually gone and the visuals look more DMT-like. At this point you feel tingling sensations in the face and the mind is much clearer. The decline stage is more psilocybin like. The visuals look almost like mushroom visuals at this point and are no longer like dancing snakes. During this stage there’s lots of pleasant body tingling and some psilocybin like euphoria kicks in.
THH makes the bufotenine trip last nearly 3 times longer and makes it more DMT-like near the end of the trip. It also seems to counteract the tension effects. But SWIM is not completely sure about that. He needs to do more tests
Don't treat it like it’s the fragile DMT. Bufotenine is a tough molecule when it comes to heat. You need to torch it! Treat it like you’re smoking salvinorin A. Use the same smoking procedure. But start with very small inhalations (too small for effect) and work up once every minute until you get a really large lung full. Don’t get it all at once.
You want to use a torch lighter for the best effects. Toke a little bit (not enough for effects), then a little more, then a little more, and then finally a massive toke. Space each toke apart by about 1-2 minutes. With each inhalation hold it for about 20 seconds. It takes only 20 seconds for the bufotenine to solidify in your lungs.
Smoking technique is the key to avoiding side effects. You get tolerance to the side effects faster than tolerance to the hallucinogenic effects. So the more often you smoke it, the quicker you get tolerance to the side effects. Meaning it’s better to start with a low dose and work up over the course of several minutes than to smoke one large toke. You’re much more likely to get nausea and head tension for a few minutes if you inhale one large toke. If you do it gradually over several minutes you won’t get nausea or head tension, but you need a little bit more for the effects. The hallucinogenic effects are also improved by using this method. It becomes more DMT-like if you space out the inhalations like I said.
With bufotenine, there are three stages: onset, peak, and decline. Each stage is a little different. The start of the onset is where the side effects are. This is also where the most effects on the mind are. The visuals at this point are very rounded and thin, almost like dancing snakes, and unlike anything else. The auditory effects are most noticeable in the onset, and there is sometimes prickling sensations felt in the head. At the peak, the side effects are usually gone and the visuals look more DMT-like. At this point you feel tingling sensations in the face and the mind is much clearer. The decline stage is more psilocybin like. The visuals look almost like mushroom visuals at this point and are no longer like dancing snakes. During this stage there’s lots of pleasant body tingling and some psilocybin like euphoria kicks in.
THH makes the bufotenine trip last nearly 3 times longer and makes it more DMT-like near the end of the trip. It also seems to counteract the tension effects. But SWIM is not completely sure about that. He needs to do more tests
ahh thank you 69ron...this information clears up a whole lot of stuff for SWIM..he is very excited about this mole..like i said before..spice just doesnt last long enough..and the mindfuck is just too much of a pain most of the time..
he was also wondering if you can breakthrough like you can with spice...or doesnt it get like that? hes wondering if bufo might be a better tool for the S.H.E...seeing as how it leaves your mind clear...giving you a bit of an edge when looking for something...its easy to miss almost everything on spice..so many distractions...
he was also wondering if you can breakthrough like you can with spice...or doesnt it get like that? hes wondering if bufo might be a better tool for the S.H.E...seeing as how it leaves your mind clear...giving you a bit of an edge when looking for something...its easy to miss almost everything on spice..so many distractions...
back to THH...SWIM ordered from our new favorite THH supplier and noticed a huge difference in some of the qualities...his first batch that he got was very fluffy and snow like..the next batch he got..(about 600mg) was all very powdery and much denser...he weighed these to see if there was less material but they way the same...just wondering if anybody else has noticed this...
SWIM has yet to test the new batch yet but he will get back to me in a bit to report
SWIM has yet to test the new batch yet but he will get back to me in a bit to report
QUICK NOTE
SWIM just snorted around 8-15mgs(just eyed it) of THH...slight burn...but very nice...euphoric...very fast come up...and so little used...
this seems like a much better way to use this substance...especially because supply is limited..
note: this was from the first batch..not the seemingly denser second batch received
SWIM just snorted around 8-15mgs(just eyed it) of THH...slight burn...but very nice...euphoric...very fast come up...and so little used...
this seems like a much better way to use this substance...especially because supply is limited..
note: this was from the first batch..not the seemingly denser second batch received
Dwhitty76
Rising Star
swim just recieved his THH yesteday at his gfriends house,so will be probably be trying it tommorrow night.
From what i'm hearing 10 -15 mg insufflated seems to be the best,or should i say the most effective way of consuming,for the first go round.
I dont know if it was posted (or i didnt see it) but what is the duration of the effects? Has anyone tried it w/ spice yet???
From what i'm hearing 10 -15 mg insufflated seems to be the best,or should i say the most effective way of consuming,for the first go round.
I dont know if it was posted (or i didnt see it) but what is the duration of the effects? Has anyone tried it w/ spice yet???
69ron
Rising Star
Dwhitty76 said:
When SWIM used 200 mg orally, the effects came on in 5 minutes. It peaked after 1 1/2 hours. The total duration was 8 hours.
When SWIM used 75 mg sublingually, the effects came on in about 5 minutes. It peaked after about 20-30 minutes. It seems to last about 2 hours, but I’m not sure?
SWIM has tried it with 5-HO-DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, but not DMT yet.
20 mg sublingually extended the effects of 4 mg of smoked 5-HO-DMT by about 3 times the normal duration. It made the trip and visuals more DMT-like near the end. It also seemed to relieve tension and smooth out the trip a little. It did not seem any stronger though.
20 mg taken sublingually with 5 mg 5-MeO-DMT sublingually also extended the effects by about 3 times the normal duration. The effects of the 5-MeO-DMT were not any stronger either. There was very little change in the experience that SWIM noticed.
[quote='Coatl]
I'd like to know what the most people have insufflated, stuck under their tounge and took orally.
Insufflated Highest Known Dose- 20mg?
Sublingually Highest Known Dose- 75mg?
Orally Highest Known Dose- 200mg?
I was thinking about insufflating like 50mg... but I just can't decide![/quote]
SWIM has not tried insufflating it yet. He’s a little apprehensive about that method, but will try it when he gets more to test.
200 mg orally was very nice, but still not that strong.
75 mg sublingually was much stronger than 200 mg orally, but still not that strong.
Neither dose really feels intoxicating. You get pleasant tingling feelings, you feel relaxed and peaceful, and there’s some euphoria. There are some very minor visual effects at those doses, but so minor one could easily miss them. If you relax and look for a while at the same object during the peak, you’ll see a hint of something forming. I think at maybe double the dose, some visual effects will start being apparent.
These doses are citrate doses. Citrates are very heavy and about twice as heavy as the freebase is. So these correspond to something like 100 mg orally and 37 mg sublingually as freebase.
In the literature 300 mg of THH orally is described as being similar to 100 mg of harmaline orally. It didn’t mention if this was freebase or not. 100 mg of freebase harmaline produces very distinct visual effects in SWIM, and even close eye dream sequences in SWIM. So far THH has not felt anything like harmaline to SWIM.
Once SWIM gets more he’s going to really up the dose.
I’ve read that a typical dose of ayahuasca has about 100-150 mg of THH as freebase. So as the citrate that’s approximately 200-300 mg of THH citrate. So from that we can assume that 300 mg of THH citrate orally is quite safe.
69ron
Rising Star
[quote='Coatl]
Why is that?[/quote]
The last thing SWIM snorted was 100 mg of impure brownish bufotenine and he got a bad pulsating sinus headache from it. He felt sick from the sinus headache. He spent the whole trip under the covers in bed feeling sick. I don’t know if it was because it was impure, or what, but it was very unpleasant. He has not had any real pleasant experiences with snorting anything so far. Most things he has snorted gave him an immediate sinus headache.
He will try insufflating THH because it seems like it might actually relieve the symptoms of a sinus headache, but he’s apprehensive because of all the bad experiences he’s had snorting things so far.
Why is that?[/quote]
The last thing SWIM snorted was 100 mg of impure brownish bufotenine and he got a bad pulsating sinus headache from it. He felt sick from the sinus headache. He spent the whole trip under the covers in bed feeling sick. I don’t know if it was because it was impure, or what, but it was very unpleasant. He has not had any real pleasant experiences with snorting anything so far. Most things he has snorted gave him an immediate sinus headache.
He will try insufflating THH because it seems like it might actually relieve the symptoms of a sinus headache, but he’s apprehensive because of all the bad experiences he’s had snorting things so far.
Dwhitty76
Rising Star
So far the only inssufulated report weighs in at 10mg. (or was it 20?)
Assuming a dose of 75mg taken sublingually that lasted 2 hrs, I'm speculating that 10mg up the shnoz would last 1.5 - 2 hrs w/ much quicker onset and peak.
Swim only got 200mg, so he'll probably start small at 10mg and see how it feels (need to conserve),also he wants to incorperate a little spice once he's comfortable w/ the THH levels.
Must admit though, swim has yet to smoke the spice w/ an maoi and is a little nervous,dont ask me why?...but everyone sais that it does help to relieve that pre dmt apprehension and makes it a smoother ride.
Will post tommorrow night results.
Assuming a dose of 75mg taken sublingually that lasted 2 hrs, I'm speculating that 10mg up the shnoz would last 1.5 - 2 hrs w/ much quicker onset and peak.
Swim only got 200mg, so he'll probably start small at 10mg and see how it feels (need to conserve),also he wants to incorperate a little spice once he's comfortable w/ the THH levels.
Must admit though, swim has yet to smoke the spice w/ an maoi and is a little nervous,dont ask me why?...but everyone sais that it does help to relieve that pre dmt apprehension and makes it a smoother ride.
Will post tommorrow night results.
I've gotten to 24mgs THH + 5mg Harmine insufflated.
THAT was mind altering. Some confusion, very minor CEV, sparkly in nature.
Peak lasted about an hour, maybe a little less...then there was a 2 hour gentle comedown that faded into nothingness.
Still haven't tried it with spice. It's actually been a few months since I have smoked the spice...just not in a place to do that right now. Plus I am hoping that by waiting, my next journey will be very special.
THAT was mind altering. Some confusion, very minor CEV, sparkly in nature.
Peak lasted about an hour, maybe a little less...then there was a 2 hour gentle comedown that faded into nothingness.
Still haven't tried it with spice. It's actually been a few months since I have smoked the spice...just not in a place to do that right now. Plus I am hoping that by waiting, my next journey will be very special.
Dwhitty76
Rising Star
acolon_5 said:
Swim doent have any harmine. Do you think the harmine might have been part of the reason for the confusion?
will be insufflating thh by itself,do you think 15mg is enough to get euphoric results or possibly start at the same level of 24mg.
Just looking for your opinion
I think it was the combination. Don't get me wrong, it was very minor, and the increased euphoria made up for that. Today I feel great...this seems to be a simlar action to Aya. I always feel like a millon bucks after an Aya cerimony.
I believe that that Harmine+THH plus DMT MIGHT mimick some of Aya's healing benefits. I believe that some of the healing Aya does has to do with other chemical constituents besides RIMA's and DMT, and some has to do with the spiritual mindset that it puts the participant in, but that's just a guess.
THH by itself does not seem to effect the mind all that much in the doses I have tested. I can't say for higher doses.
Harmine on the other hand has caused me a bit of confusion at higher doses, and I usually prefer to lay down when this happens.
I believe that that Harmine+THH plus DMT MIGHT mimick some of Aya's healing benefits. I believe that some of the healing Aya does has to do with other chemical constituents besides RIMA's and DMT, and some has to do with the spiritual mindset that it puts the participant in, but that's just a guess.
THH by itself does not seem to effect the mind all that much in the doses I have tested. I can't say for higher doses.
Harmine on the other hand has caused me a bit of confusion at higher doses, and I usually prefer to lay down when this happens.