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Finally updated the excel file uploaded to the first post with all the extractions mentioned in this thread until now, thanks doubledog, skelly0311, merkin!

If anybody else can please write your yields in this thread and any further info on extraction, I can add to the first post and we can get a better idea on averages and how to pinpoint the factors related to the best yielding cacti
 
That new histogram plot in the first post is very interesting.

Looks like the data is revealing a "blip" of very special specimens around ~5%. A very interesting find if confirmed. If so, I wonder what these "super sacred" group may have in common.
 
Just wanted to add that for the part used section, I used the whole plant. I'd double check that with double dog as well, as using the whole planet as opposed to just the outer green skin is quite significant when reading these yields.
 
First test with a nugget of my TBM (short):
Rested in dark 3.5 months
10g powder (sifted, whole plant (no thorns), discarded ~11g pure sticks from core)
CIELO tek with Citric
Yield: 0,396mg or 3,96% - not too shabby!

A great alternative plant for those who have restricted grow space and weather conditions. Mine was also grown in a pot from a clone (1 -> 22 nuggets before I harvested 2). I definitely will try one in the ground to see if that changes their size/profile.

Should have a batch of long form TBM to test soon as well. All from same source.
 
I'm not sure this really counts given the conditions it was grown in but...
I got these two results from Altitude Consulting recently:
TBM powder + lysed resin/wax: 1.09% Mescaline
TBM resin/wax: 1.46% Mescaline
They were ~50day old pups grown from a grafted TBM scion on pereskiopsis in my aerogarden with very high nutrients in resevoir.
They were frozen immediately after cutting, then de-waxed, dehydrated and de-spined. but thawing led to tons of liquid dropping out and turning into resin in the dehydrator. I didn't expect Altitude to run a tiny bit of the resin separately, that was nice of them.
HPLC-DAD is what Altitude advertises, and they recently acquired a Mescaline HCl CRM used for this.
I feel like there's alot of factors why the low result for TBM: young age, very high nutes, pereskopsis graft, i spilled some of the lysed liquid :cry:
 
Two extracts: Whole plant sans wax and spines

1

164g Pachanoi Powder, Dryy weight unknown - 82g was dried for 3 months prior to cutting the rest was cut and dried immediately.

CIELO TEK, Yield: 1.32g Mescaline Citrate

2

132g Bridgesii Powder from 3.5Kg of fresh Cactus - Dried for 3 months prior to cutting

CEILO TEK, Yield: 1.78g Mescaline Citrate
 
Small test extraction of 10 year old peyote buttons collected at the end of dry season (no rain for three months) grown in full sun, sliced, desiccated in an electric drier until crispy and finely ground into a powder.

Used the CIELO tek with fumaric acid instead of citric acid.

10 grams of powdered cactus yielded 500mg of mescaline fumarate (5.0%).
 
emong said:
Small test extraction of 10 year old peyote buttons collected at the end of dry season (no rain for three months) grown in full sun, sliced, desiccated in an electric drier until crispy and finely ground into a powder.

Used the CIELO tek with fumaric acid instead of citric acid.

10 grams of powdered cactus yielded 500mg of mescaline fumarate (5.0%).
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Nice! Would be great to analyze those peyote xtlas if possible. I believe this is the only report of CIELO results with peyote.
 
Well, it seems this forum is not very active atm, but I always loved it here and cause I am sort of back to the cacti world and have some very interesting genetics, I can post here. Maybe it may be of use to someone. I will post the results as they go...
First three results :
1 - bridgesii, clone name : G0, fresh cutting, whole(green tissue, white tissue, core, spines, waxy skin), 10 days in a box, extraction method : STB, form: HCl, all alkaloid result : 0,07%
2 - bridgesii, clone name : G2, fresh cutting, whole(green tissue, white tissue, core, spines, waxy skin), 2 months in darkness, 23C, extraction method : STB, form: HCl, all alkaloid result : 0,2%
3 - bridgesii, clone name : A66, fresh cutting, whole(green tissue, white tissue, core, spines, waxy skin), 5 months dormant in darkness before cutting, extraction method : STB, form: HCl, all alkaloid result : 0,11%
 
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Well, it seems this forum is not very active atm, but I always loved it here and cause I am sort of back to the cacti world and have some very interesting genetics, I can post here. Maybe it may be of use to someone. I will post the results as they go...
First three results :
1 - bridgesii, clone name : G0, fresh cutting, whole(green tissue, white tissue, core, spines, waxy skin), 10 days in a box, extraction method : STB, form: HCl, result : 0,07%
2 - bridgesii, clone name : G2, fresh cutting, whole(green tissue, white tissue, core, spines, waxy skin), 2 months in darkness, 23C, extraction method : STB, form: HCl, result : 0,2%
3 - bridgesii, clone name : A66, fresh cutting, whole(green tissue, white tissue, core, spines, waxy skin), 5 months dormant in darkness before cutting, extraction method : STB, form: HCl, result : 0,11%
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I would look into Cielo tek, you'll find you'll get minimum 2% (HCL equivalent) approx from bridgesii using dried green layer only. Dry cacti is easier to work with too.
 
_Trip_ said:
I would look into Cielo tek, you'll find you'll get minimum 2% (HCL equivalent) approx from bridgesii using dried green layer only. Dry cacti is easier to work with too.
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My estimate of % of dry green tissue from 0.2% fresh whole cactus is about 5%. I have not extracted from dry green tissue only for this exceptional clone (G2), but did tests for other cacti (published in this thread), so I have some data for estimates.
I am ok with my STB, it is easy enough and pretty stable for most cacti. No need to dry anything, no need to process the cacti to get green layer, getting all the mescaline, even from white tissue. All is happening in the bottle, no mess at all. I am after HCl form, which I am not sure I can get easily by Cielo, though have not studied it much.
 
5% is quite high but not out of the realms of possibility I remember reading your posts in the past i remember those photos. I would add however estimating or even working off whole 'wet' cacti would not be ideal for estimates in my mind simply because water content can vary a lot between cacti.

Was 2.34% your best in the old thread? Not bad Imo. I would add there's no difference between HCL and citrate except the weight. I would also add after working with the different teks cielo is easiest, quickest, purest and highest yeilding. Worth giving a go.
 
_Trip_ said:
5% is quite high but not out of the realms of possibility I remember reading your posts in the past i remember those photos. I would add however estimating or even working off whole 'wet' cacti would not be ideal for estimates in my mind simply because water content can vary a lot between cacti.

Was 2.34% your best in the old thread? Not bad Imo. I would add there's no difference between HCL and citrate except the weight. I would also add after working with the different teks cielo is easiest, quickest, purest and highest yeilding. Worth giving a go.
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Yes, about 2,5% was my best clone. But this is quite long time ago. Now I have absolutely different genetics, so likely plants with much better numbers.
I am not after green tissue and yes, the 5% is just the estimate. Maybe one day I will try just the green tissue alone for the best clones. But first I have to find these, and I use whole fresh material for comparisons.
What is mesc citrate solubility in water? I haven't found it anywhere...
 
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_Trip_ said:
5% is quite high but not out of the realms of possibility I remember reading your posts in the past i remember those photos. I would add however estimating or even working off whole 'wet' cacti would not be ideal for estimates in my mind simply because water content can vary a lot between cacti.

Was 2.34% your best in the old thread? Not bad Imo. I would add there's no difference between HCL and citrate except the weight. I would also add after working with the different teks cielo is easiest, quickest, purest and highest yeilding. Worth giving a go.
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easiest would be b/a extraction like @pete66 mentioned. Dry powder add lye water mix with xylene/toulene then salt with hcl water. Ceilo is nice if you get the technique down but mostly it is 'safer' due to less toxic caustic material. I'd say highest yield also is b/a since you can get non-mescaline alkaloids. Purest likely goes to ceilo due to only mescaline precipitating.

STB dmt teks are always favored due to ease and best yeild but materials isn't always the safest.
 
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easiest would be b/a extraction like @pete66 mentioned. Dry powder add lye water mix with xylene/toulene then salt with hcl water. Ceilo is nice if you get the technique down but mostly it is 'safer' due to less toxic caustic material. I'd say highest yield also is b/a since you can get non-mescaline alkaloids. Purest likely goes to ceilo due to only mescaline precipitating.

STB dmt teks are always favored due to ease and best yeild but materials isn't always the safest.
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Yes, STB is simple and effective, but KOH and toluene are something that has to be hadled consciously and may not be easy to obtain in some parts of the world. Then Cielo is clearly first choice tek.
Pure mescaline can be of course the result of STB when purification is put into the pipeline.
 
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easiest would be b/a extraction like @pete66 mentioned. Dry powder add lye water mix with xylene/toulene then salt with hcl water. Ceilo is nice if you get the technique down but mostly it is 'safer' due to less toxic caustic material. I'd say highest yield also is b/a since you can get non-mescaline alkaloids. Purest likely goes to ceilo due to only mescaline precipitating.

STB dmt teks are always favored due to ease and best yeild but materials isn't always the safest.
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I believe (with the possible exception of trichocereus terscheckii), that the assumption it has high levels of other alkaloids is unfounded at this point. More of a perpetuating myth, iirc all of Endlessness's analyses have found only minor trace amounts of other alks in Bridgesii, pachanoi and peruvianus so far.
 
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_Trip_ said:
I believe (with the possible exception of trichocereus terscheckii), that the assumption it has high levels of other alkaloids is unfounded at this point. More of a perpetuating myth, iirc all of Endlessness's analyses have found only minor trace amounts of other alks in Bridgesii, pachanoi and peruvianus so far.
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I'm not gonna question the lab results HOWEVER from my small HCL extraction recently I got around 150mg from purposefully dropping ph too much. I then washed the reddish crystals with isopropanol and collected the alcohol and dried. At 50-60mg mescaline hcl with 200mg harmalas it was active above threshold with strong euphoria and VERY minimal visuals. After 8 hours I had a very clear 'end of trip' with a cold sweat which is common for me.

The remaining 100mg non-mescaline alkaloids I attempted a separate day with 200mg harmalas. There was not euphoria nor psychedelic effects however there was a slight time dilution and mainly a very clean and strong energy boost without any shaking or jaw clenching. The effects lasted well over 16 hours causing difficulty to sleep and even woke up quite alert. There was no crash the following day.

I'm not saying that minor alkaloids are a major part but the trace amounts of each alkaloid together made up around 100mg and they were quite active with an maoi. Is that worth the extra trouble? I personally enjoyed the effects. I don't tend to repeat what others say without trying myself even when it is generally 'accepted'. Perhaps it was due to the season of when I harvested or because it was still only 2.5+ years old from seed? Are these pure compounds psychoactive alone i doubt it and especially not at the doses I tried but with the maoi it was 100% active.
 
So, I found these results on reddit. Tbm clone b over 6%

I have some good clones but not the conditions to make any extracts. One clone I'd love to see analyzed is Aplantis/Green candy genetics Lupita Pachanoi. Probably the strongest one Ive tried out.

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DoktorD said:
So, I found these results on reddit. Tbm clone b over 6%

I have some good clones but not the conditions to make any extracts. One clone I'd love to see analyzed is Aplantis/Green candy genetics Lupita Pachanoi. Probably the strongest one Ive tried out.

tbm ogun test results reddot at DuckDuckGo

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Great to have an analysis result - BUT it's a real shame the person concerned apparently didn't propagate the TBM pup since they'd have had a whole lot more material to work with after about 3 growing seasons. TBM can easily grow on a windowsill, or in a corner somewhere, they don't need much space.
 
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