The case for Diet

[nen888]

^..i'm curious how long you followed these diets for..?
but everyone is different..in my case, attention to diet (sustained over weeks) has resulted in no nausea and no puking..at, say 6-7 grams p. harmala or 150+grams caapi..this has advantages..i much prefer not having to deal with my gut at all..i can do more 'work'..
i don't feel that my body wants to eject the alkaloids..
(mushrooms, with heaps of odd waxes and proteins are another matter)

no, eating cheese or chocolate is not going to lead to some kind of hypertensive crisis..that's not what most diet advocates are saying..it's more like, IMO, if you wanted to meditate clearly would you consume these foods..
the withold afterwards concept is to do with maintaining the space..
but, in the usual modern world there isn't time to go deep into prolonged diets..we need energy to go to work etc...the diets to me are more the 'old ways'..

i also think a lot of resistance to the diet comes from the fact that many of these foods are addictive..
chocolate, coffee, refined sugar, cheese..it's not nutritional needs that make us want to hold on to these..

i find it interesting that MAOIs target more foods that come from settled/agricultural environments..and ponder whether we have evolved to make more mono-amine-oxidase in our guts..hence making us less sensitive to the oral ingestion of tryptamine containing plants..this makes me curious what the relative MAO levels in other primate guts are..

there is no single school of thought on diet matters..
i go with advice the handful of people who initiated me into ayahuasca (indigenous)
and also what the (subjectively) perceived spirits of the plants instruct me to do during medicine..
but 'they' may well have a different set of instructions for others..

the 'case for Diet' is about what works for me (and some others), and is in no way meant to be a doctrine or rule..

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

Well,ive been 3 months in the brazilian amazon, with an indigenous tribe. i will share a little of their aproach to the diets.

there are many diets with difrent purposes, but all have common things that you should avoid, meat, fatty food, salt, sugar, and sex.

and the only form of tobaco they use is the rapé, wich you can use in any diet except the kambo diet.

you cant even eat sweet fruits. and they say that about the sex question, they even avoid contact with women, they say they will absorb some of your spiritual power, so its not just about the sex for them.

if someone is sick, they make a closed ceremony, where just some people drink the ayahuasca and stay silent around the paje that will chant the "meka"to a pot with caisuma (fermented korn drink) for like 6 hours. the sick person will drink the caisuma and make a diet of 15 days.

there are also the diets intended for study. it can be also with the caisuma, or the one i've done, the janipapo diet. janipapo is a fruit that produces a black pigment. the paje sings to the pot, then they paint your body with the janipapo, and then you drink the rest. then you stay to months with that basic diet also, drinking ayahuasca every 2, 3 days, isolated from the village. ive eaten a lot of rice, cus-cus, pasta and some very small fish.

then there are some more serious diets.
they have a tree that has a tuberculos kind of root (like a potatoe), wich im not allowed to share its name.
they will make an oath, then they will eat the root, while praying to that sacred and powerfull spirit saying what they wish to acomplish with that diet.
then they enter a 1 year long diet, where they barely dont eat and dont drink water for the first 4 months, just having a litle bit of caisuma, and drinking a lot of ayahuasca and using a lot of rapé, completely isolated. in the next 2 months they are allowed eat just a little bit of coocked korn, rice, and little fish. after that 6 months they could choose to go back to the village, and continue a simple diet for the rest of the year, being allowed to drink water again, of they can continue the previous 2 monts diet for the rest of the year, going deeper in their studies.

the really serious one (only 2 people in the village attempted to do this one, and one of them died) is the diet of the urunu (boa constrictor). they will eat the boa's heart, and drink its saliva. then they begin a diet of 2 years, wich they can only eat small animals, basicly the same diet of the serpent. they can drink caisuma, water, and take ayahuasca and rape. if they break the diet before the 2 years are finished, the spirit of the urunu will come in their dreams and kill them.

there is also the kambo diet (phylomedusa bicolor) for cleansing purposes, where you follow the basic diet, and cant also smoke or take rapé.

now, something more personal:

i usually follow the basic diet (personalised of course) before drinking the medicine, but being in the city of the santo daime, with so many churches, it happens that ocasionally there is some interesting work that you hear of the day before it happens. so i've been in some sessions without doing any previous diet. in my case, being vegetarian and eating fatty foods only very ocasionally, i was breaking the diet only beacause the sex and the sweets. i feel the experience is not so profound, and very ocasionally i purge. but it is nothing so relevant really.

and as someone stated above, if you dont ejaculate, or dont reach that near orgasm state, it wont make such a difrence. but that it in the santo daime type of ayahuasca. as someone else said, if it is that kind of brew with a lot of caapi, i prefer to make at least one week of diet.

i also tried to fast before a ceremony.... the result was: i was worn out before the session, and all i could think about was food :?

 

[nen888]

This thread is deeply interesting to me. I aspire to live on a "dieta" once I am on my own terms.

Just from eliminating spices and heavy meats before my first Caapi experience. I noticed a lightness in mind, body, and spirit. More positivity and more "flow".

More aya seems like a place to go for more thorough exploration/healing.

Thanks Nen.

..thank you for this observation SpaceSeek..

ratpoison wrote:

I seriously never get sick. I used to, though, and I used to purge in the start of my career from nausea, and I had lots more ayarrhea. If I drank mimosa before leaving the sediment to drop for two weeks to get crystal clear mimosa tea, I would hurl a lot from just sipping a couple of grams, with rue included. Nowadays I can drink my two-day-mimosa Ayahuasca with ease, no purging, no nausea, very reduced sickness compared to before ..

..thanks ratposion..this is what i found maintaining a personal diet led to also..

MultiDimensionalTherapy..interesting info there..you mention diets intended for 'study', and i think this is also a good angle/intention for undertaking a diet..
i agree with you and endlessness on fasting beforehand..don't!..some energy required, and empty stomach is a distraction..

if people find that diet makes no difference to their experiences, well good and fine..
i personally see the space around ceremony (including my body) as quite different to everyday requirements, and i like a degree of separation there..