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The Door (2CE)

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RastaNation

RastaNation

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I thought about putting this in the hyperspace section - but I have so many questions, I decided it should go here.

Earlier I dosed on 17mg of 2ce nasally.
Then, about forty five minutes later - a booster dose of 10mg.

1 friend was with me for the initial 17mg - and he decided not to redose.

I initially planned on tripping to meditate over my soon coming dmt adventure.
I wont do a step by step - because things were generally un-eventful.
But for the most part the trip was "recreational".

I'm essentially curious:

1) Is there something wrong with 'fun'? Partying? Even using psychedelics recreationally?
2) Is there some form of "door" with all psychedelics?
3) Life is a journey - but what is the destination? What are we looking for? What is the point?

I've never had an issue with opening my mind when tripping - but today was different. It started out a little less intense than usual, though I still felt it come on - the OEV's were minimal compared to the usual - and the CEV's seemed "taunting".
I was attempting to meditate but kept seeing mocking faces, things like clowns, etc. I even saw several sexually explicit scenes - which, while not always bad - didn't interest me in the least. I was looking for more but it felt as if the "door" had closed.
I've never really experienced this - someone share their bit?

By the way - I'm doing my best to type this out - I'm still on that trip, a bit. So, if anything doesn't make sense, or if there are a bunch of typos - just try to bare with me.
 
1. only if its affecting your body and your life negatively, or holding you back, then i would consider it wrong

2. you certainly have access to other states of body and mind with psychedelics

3. death is the destination. your last two questions are totally up to you.




sounds like your nervous system was focusing on a certain area thus spawned certain emotions which are attached to visual memory
its common for phenethylamines to take one through these kinds of things
 
1) Is there something wrong with 'fun'? Partying? Even using psychedelics recreationally?

I don't really see anything "wrong" with it, but others do, and they have their reasons. One thing you might want to consider is: "Do you feel like you are doing something wrong when using psychedelics recreationally. Others, may think so, but what really matters is what you think, right?

Psychedelics can be used for so much more than just 'fun.' By limiting yourself to just fun, then you might be doing something 'wrong.' But, this again, is just my humble opinion, What really matters is how you feel/think about it. By even simply asking the question, does that mean you do indeed think it is wrong?

I was attempting to meditate but kept seeing mocking faces, things like clowns, etc. I even saw several sexually explicit scenes - which, while not always bad - didn't interest me in the least.

For the most part, I have control over the visions in my head, but on high doses of 2C-I or 2C-E I don't. I will feel like I'm going insane. I will hear voices and see things that I find hard to relate to or make sense of. Thought can get very confusing and twisted with thought-loops, paranoia, etc. Having someone or something to focus on will help with all of these negative effects. If I have someone else with me during a high 2C dose, then I'm not "in my head" the whole time.

I would think, meditation would be easier on a low dose.
 
I personally don't see anything 'wrong' with it when done sparingly - though often when on a trip such as last night - though the visuals, open or closed eye - were not intense, the head trip was still quite strong - and I find myself thinking a LOT - and at points, I feel childish and ignorant - I still feel, much of the time that I am...and thus, I ask questions.

I generally, even when alone, can make sense of things - though, I sometimes go to find someone to talk to - just to keep myself from going entirely insane. I usually have pretty coherent thoughts when tripping, even on fairly high doses. Perhaps my reflection after a trip are more coherent than during the trip - I sometimes forget the exact details of a trip but take the meanings with me...I'm not sure.
 
I would strongly recommend Timothy Leary's "The Psychedelic Experience". Generally, as an answer to your question regarding the "correct" purpose for having the experience, and particularly in reference to your sexualized visions as part of the overall experience. It is a now classic interpretation of the classic Tibetan Book of the Dead and the Living.
 
A lot of great thoughts already.

My personal perspective all revolves around the specific behavior we refer to when saying "recreationally."

wade gets at a part of the issue here:
wade said:
only if its affecting your body and your life negatively, or holding you back, then i would consider it wrong
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Problematically, we often very poorly judge the long-term impact of behaviors like this.

Fractal mentioned a festival where he took a high dose of mushrooms and joined in a drum circle for hours on end. Does this count as recreational use? Accepting the framework of entheogen, does the god within feel harmed in our engaging joyously? I think not.

Instead, the running away from reality, avoiding what we already have heard, this forms the sacrilege. Anything done in this manner is done poorly. But, most of us cannot live up to that standard, so we set aside sacred space as a practice that hopefully bleeds through into the rest of our lives. Entheogens lend themselves readily, as their misuse has such obvious repercussions, and the effective use such bountiful Grace.
 
I'm glad you chose to put this in the nursery as this is something I do have experience with. On a dose of 2C-C and way too many whip-its I eventually stopped becoming colors and came back to reality a bit. Continuing to do whip-its, I was greeted by a very interesting visual of a man getting punched in the balls all the way through his body. Visions of testicles flapping in the face of another man. I've heard my own thoughts in a very whiny voice as if I was condescending to myself to help myself get over what is obviously a childish thought.

I consider myself a relatively serious person, but I've found all these things very funny. I know in real life I would find them quite disrespectful. I almost feel as if sometimes there is an absurdist sense of humor to be discovered in these chemicals that can help us learn not to take things (including ourselves) so seriously.
 
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