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^ this last one pissed me off so much, i saw it a week ago and was dumbfounded by how disrespectful and ignorant these people are
 
blacklist666 said:
Oh *snap* I wanted to dislike & flag. Video's gone. After videos get taken off youtube, should the thread be locked or deleted due to lack of relevancy? =) I wish i could contact the maker of the video via anonymous email in order to morally attack them for mentioning this place.
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You really think "morally attacking" someone is going to look good for the nexus or anyone who uses psychadelics? Doesn't sound like the way I would want the nexus supported.

I also am curious as to what the video was about exactly.
 
anrchy said:
I also am curious as to what the video was about exactly.
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The title of the video was "DMT NEXUS", in the video there was bottles of Ayahuasca & a guy talking about selling it. This is a video by the same person "Ayahuasca DMT trip" he has at least 50 videos like this with different titles.
 
DMT777 said:
anrchy said:
I also am curious as to what the video was about exactly.
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The title of the video was "DMT NEXUS", in the video there was bottles of Ayahuasca & a guy talking about selling it. This is a video by the same person "Ayahuasca DMT trip" he has at least 50 videos like this with different titles.
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JESUS!! This needs to be stopped IMMEDIATELY! This guy is actively SELLING DRUGS, and sometimes tries to use the good name of the NEXUS!

I know know what the first vid that you responded to was about, but THIS ONE seems as bad as it could possibly be--it should be flagged immediately. I will flag it right now.
 
I still don't agree with the nexus policy of flagging these videos. I think it is stupid of people to put them on youtube in the first place, I'd never do it myself and I don't like that others are doing it and potentially drawing unwanted attention, but I don't see why we have the right to censor them... it seems especially counter productive and hypocritical to be flagging them "harmful dangerous acts" whilst at the same time promoting the use of the drug openly on this site. The fact that youtube has the option to flag drug use videos is irrelevant, in an ideal world there would be no "flag" option on youtube.

It's blatant attempts at censoring people of their right to express themselves however they wish. That's how I see it, maybe I'm missing something but I just don't think people here have the right to dictate what others post on youtube.

EDIT: Although when the video expressly mentions the nexus, I guess self preservation could be a reasonable reason (although still not really justification) for flagging.
 
This guy is trying to sell ready-made ayahuasca for shipment anywhere in the world. All of his videos should be taken down (and, you're doing HIM a favor by doing it):

Here's one in english:

Here are the rest:
http://youtu.be/25mdX3MJalw
http://youtu.be/mDhA8E_xa04
http://youtu.be/eN8-iChS9Uw
http://youtu.be/Y3YJW80ls4I
http://youtu.be/2xR7NEJbuQU
http://youtu.be/ClcVuEUL7Yw
http://youtu.be/8ZutvVSUYn8
http://youtu.be/SlcKT30tWWk
http://youtu.be/GVFE77NyMtA
http://youtu.be/Sb7A-Te7_s0
http://youtu.be/iQZz52jUcoc
http://youtu.be/v6IHCfbJ5-U
http://youtu.be/SXOUiGPyJbo
http://youtu.be/UjEZPJGIt8E
http://youtu.be/x-qlGHI7RF8
http://youtu.be/S4iB6DoN0j4
http://youtu.be/6OMa7P-5ME0
http://youtu.be/jB5TiqFickk
http://youtu.be/pqUX9FNHysQ
http://youtu.be/272RJAodAVw
http://youtu.be/28qwZtAP-P0
http://youtu.be/F8NswdpIXCQ
http://youtu.be/gyUJgl9Q8LI
http://youtu.be/HEbY4UPD-04
http://youtu.be/sMAJr-EUcdY
http://youtu.be/nImvHDM_qWQ
http://youtu.be/X_cewBB2FaQ
http://youtu.be/uBQUrm2xoBc
http://youtu.be/yFLBGz3NPAU
http://youtu.be/exEHZv_Wwd0
http://youtu.be/6TphRBbjm84
http://youtu.be/WBwXO2DeaZw
http://youtu.be/vDbObS90X3A


I think that's the full list of his actual "for sale" videos. But it seems ALL his videos have in the video description his website, email, and information about how to buy from him.

You can flag the above videos. Better would be someone who knows how to contact youtube directly to inform them that there's a user who is directly trying to sell schedule I drugs online. It might also work to contact Peruvian authorities about his Peruvian website.
 
tony said:
I still don't agree with the nexus policy of flagging these videos. I think it is stupid of people to put them on youtube in the first place, I'd never do it myself and I don't like that others are doing it and potentially drawing unwanted attention, but I don't see why we have the right to censor them... it seems especially counter productive and hypocritical to be flagging them "harmful dangerous acts" whilst at the same time promoting the use of the drug openly on this site. The fact that youtube has the option to flag drug use videos is irrelevant, in an ideal world there would be no "flag" option on youtube.

It's blatant attempts at censoring people of their right to express themselves however they wish. That's how I see it, maybe I'm missing something but I just don't think people here have the right to dictate what others post on youtube.

EDIT: Although when the video expressly mentions the nexus, I guess self preservation could be a reasonable reason (although still not really justification) for flagging.
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The basis behind the idea of flagging such videos is that if someone wants to FIND OUT about DMT, they will eventually find their way here--and can learn about it sensibly, responsibly, and accurately.

When the information is broadly available to the public it can result in people trying it recreationally, AND in bringing it's use MUCH more to the foreground in terms of publicity--at which point government interest in MHRB and similar things may increase to uncomfortable levels.
 
SWIMfriend said:
The basis behind the idea of flagging such videos is that if someone wants to FIND OUT about DMT, they will eventually find their way here--and can learn about it sensibly, responsibly, and accurately.

When the information is broadly available to the public it can result in people trying it recreationally, AND in bringing it's use MUCH more to the foreground in terms of publicity--at which point government interest in MHRB and similar things may increase to uncomfortable levels.
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I understand the basis. It's the same kind of basis that governments will use to disappear the nexus one of these days. They will of course go one step further and say that people just shouldn't be able to access any information about it because it will lead them to try it (which is true, I would never have been able to get access to DMT without sites like this).

Like I said, I'm not saying I approve of the videos. I think they are uploaded by ignorant people who don't know any better... but what gives us the right to decide what they post online? Pulling other people's content off of the network because you feel you know what's best for the world is wrong, no matter how rational your argument for it is.

I am just against censorship in general. There are perhaps some very extreme things that should be kept off of sites like youtube (porn, cp, excessive gore, snuff) to protect children from seeing it... but I can't see any way of justifying taking down drug videos, especially when there are far more dangerous drugs that are openly shown on youtube (the vice documentary on krokodil all but tells you how to make the stuff, and it is mainstream).

Why not just post in the comments section explaining the situation, and the comment would be upvoted by any nexian who watches it and any other person with a clue about DMT.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the nexus took part in the inernet blackout to protest SOPA didn't it? Opposing one form of censorship whilst actively engaging in another just seems like hypocrisy.

I don't care that much. I think this is a great community and me having a differing opinion on this one subject doesn't change that. Do what you feel is right.
 
Tony,

Your opinions are duly noted. They are not, however, the opinions of our host, or that of the community's in general.

If you're bothered by the hypocrisy, the Shroomery's always out there. The Nexus position on YouTube posting is not going to change to suit you.
 
Art,

I expressly said at the end of my post that I don't care that much and that it doesn't really alter my perception of this community.

Thanks all the same for the "if you don't like it you can fuck off" sentiment though :)
 
On second thoughts, consider that my last post on these forums. I've changed my password and email to random nonsense so won't be able to log back in.

Thanks for all the help I've had in extractions. All the best to everyone.
 
I agree that censorship is "wrong," and that a thinking and fair person would not engage in it.

I also think that lying is wrong: but when the Nazis come knocking on my door to ask whether I'm hiding any jews, I will be happy to lie and say I'm not.

In this particular case, saying we're involved in "censorship" doesn't completely describe our actions; saying we're using adroit methods to sidestep senseless and onerous policies of mindless government busybodies--policies the youtube poster in question ALSO wishes to sidestep--does more accurately describe our interest in flagging certain youtube videos.

When injustices (like psychedelic prohibition) are introduced into society, other injustices are "involuntarily" propagated.
 
tony said:
On second thoughts, consider that my last post on these forums. I've changed my password and email to random nonsense so won't be able to log back in.

Thanks for all the help I've had in extractions. All the best to everyone.
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Certainly all the best to you, but I honestly think you overreacted in this. I'm answering since this is in Open Discussion and you might still be able to look at the thread even if you cannot log back in.

I think we will all agree that flagging/reporting videos that have dangerous or misleading contents is not only acceptable, but a duty - particularly if the goals of a community like this are to illustrate people and dispel the fog of drug war.

One of the reasons why the Nexus has been online and healthy for so long is the simple fact that you won't find here endorsement of buying or selling drugs. I think we can agree in that as well.

Then you have someone who is selling a substance that is controlled in the majority of the world, and is using the "DMT NEXUS" name in the video he posts in youtube. Am I supposed to believe he came up with that name in an unfortunate random brain storming? No, I don't think so.

No matter how obviously unrelated to the actual DMT Nexus the contents of the video may look to us, users in the community, it's pretty obviously a link here - a link that provides contents that are against the DMT Nexus goals 101.

Was it so difficult to just use a descriptive title that did not capitalize on existing independent resources in the internet? What if someone used your name in a video displaying contents to which you don't relate at all? Wouldn't you be allowed to flag it or ask the poster to take it down, or at least to change the title?

Even if I firmly believe that ayahuasca is not something to be sold, but rather something to be learned and brewed, I would not flag a video of someone selling ayahuasca. He might be in Peru, or Brazil. And even if he is doing something illegal, as long as no one gets hurt, it's none of my business. But the title was capitalizing on the Nexus. And the Nexus has nothing to do with it.

So I think the users and admins of this community had every single right to flag the video. And labeling that as "censorship" is out of proportion.

In any case, if you read this, be well. And sorry you decided to leave.
 
tony said:
Thanks for all the help I've had in extractions. All the best to everyone.
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Tony,
You have over re-acted. Please log back in and stay part of the community. I've enjoyed reading your posts. I disagree with you on the issue but I do see your point. What I don't like is that you would walk away from this great place so quickly. Done in haste I know so get the F back here will ya Bro?
 
tony said:
On second thoughts, consider that my last post on these forums.
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Wow, how childish and immature. Someone doesn't agree with you so you just storm out instead of engaging in rational discussion and agreeing to disagree?

:roll:
 
a1pha said:
tony said:
On second thoughts, consider that my last post on these forums.
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Wow, how childish and immature. Someone doesn't agree with you so you just storm out instead of engaging in rational discussion and agreeing to disagree?

:roll:
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I actually really did have no intention of returning, so did indeed void my other account beyond repair... but I felt an overwhelming urge to respond to this as I feel it was a bit unfair.

I didn't storm out. I posted my views and as far as I can tell I posted them rationally and politely. I said in my main post on the subject "I don't care that much. I think this is a great community and me having a differing opinion on this one subject doesn't change that."

The response I got from Uncle Knucles, who AFAIK is a mod (although tbh I don't know why, I've always thought a lot of his posts seem quite abrasive), was basically "if you don't like it then leave and go somewhere else". I never realised that it was one or the other. I had already stated I was happy to not like it and just go about my business anyway. Also you may notice, since you are calling me "childish and immature", that Uncle Knucles wasn't "engaging in rational discussion" either.

So a1pha, if you read the actual posts it was me who was happy to agree to disagree and didn't see it as a particularly big deal but was given the ultimatum of "like it or get lost". I don't like it, so I'll take this opportunity to bow out.

I genuinely do appreciate the effort that has went into this site and I have learned a lot from it.

I don't feel I have much else to contribute here, and I don't appreciate being told to either follow the party line or get lost.

So once again, genuinely wish you all the best and thanks for the information this site has provided me :)
 
a1pha said:
tony said:
On second thoughts, consider that my last post on these forums.
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Wow, how childish and immature. Someone doesn't agree with you so you just storm out instead of engaging in rational discussion and agreeing to disagree?

:roll:
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I really do think that name-calling people as childish and immature is outside the guidelines of how we want to treat each other here.
I think Art often has a harsh tone in his posts, but I think that's just Art...maybe a little short tempered? But I've heard from he's really a great guy to get to meet. Too bad Tony had to get so up over it.
I hope to see Tony back. Tony, we all get worked from time to time. Chill and return please!
 
tyurtyrsdt said:
So once again, genuinely wish you all the best and thanks for the information this site has provided me :)
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Well, I wish you wouldn't leave because of one member or one opinion. If that's what you choose then all the luck to you and take care.

-a1pha
 
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