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I don't think you're getting the actual point at all.

I cannot speak for everyone, but I always had a very clear feeling about why there is an encouragement to flag certain videos. It's nothing to do with exclusivity. It's to do with promoting good information and responsible use. I doubt any level-headed user in this community would ever flag a video giving proper and responsible information about psychedelic use.

And when a video is flagged, it's not about "keeping DMT from going mainstream". It's about keeping people safe and improving the signal to noise ratio. I personally have nothing against use of DMT spreading, AS LONG AS it is mature, informed and responsible. I want people to learn, to be safe and not to do stupid things.

Whether they achieve this in the Nexus or anywhere else, I don't care.
 
Vodsel, I agree with what you say trust me. I just wanted to speak loud and clear to that contingent of people on this website that I do not agree with. I've read this website long enough to encounter a snobbish element of the DMT community. And yes there are some who want DMT to be a secret and I have read posts by several of them on this particular forum. I just wanted to call them out. That's all. Just wanted to post a diatribe to give those people some pause. In general I do not much care for flagging campaigns and I will not participate. I'm a free speech kind of guy, even if that speech is stupid and irresponsible. Either way I just want a different kind of voice to be heard. This is a forum after all, an exchange of ideas not an excercise in herd mentality. Either way as long as people promote safe responsible use of DMT I have no problem. And if you think a flagging campaign is whats needed, Godspeed. I hope you understand.
 
I was never under the impression that there was a blanket campaign going o to flag all DMT videos, just particular ones.

I understand wanting to steer away from creating an impression of elitism or exclusivity. But many of us feel compelled to do our part to damp down any negative publicity. This is a fine line, and I agree that some members here come across as overly extreme. But their hearts are in the right place.
 
Psychelectric said:
nd yes there are some who want DMT to be a secret and I have read posts by several of them on this particular forum. I just wanted to call them out. That's all. Just wanted to post a diatribe to give those people some pause.
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If we wanted to keep DMT secret then why are we working so hard on this forum to document every step of the DMT process? We have (off the top of my head):

*People cataloguing and analyzing new plants;
*People creating and improving extraction teks;
*People going to festivals to promote education;
*People testing substances at festivals to promote harm reduction;
*Artists creating psychedelic art to infiltrate the mainstream;
*And some not-yet-public activities...

Doesn't sound like a group of people trying to keep a secret... sounds like caring individuals who are trying to promote safe and responsible use with the hopes of avoiding another Leary-esque type fiasco.

All and all, I think you are way off-base here.
 
Alpha and Guyomech and to others reading, my apoplogies for not choosing my words more carefully. I was already scorned by Vodsel for my post and I do understand why. It was quite aggressive. I did not mean to offend. I should have read over it more carefully and been more articulate about my point rather than make a baseless rant. Which is what I did. And yes "secret" was not the best choice of words. But there was more to my post and my message than just that though I suppose it was lost in the ranting nature of my post. I posted with too much haste and for that I am sorry.

I love what this website is trying to do, with it's spreading of responisble use of these psycheldelics, that is why I am happy to be a member here. I will not delete my previous post, even though I will admit it was a mistake. I try my best not to hide from my mistakes but to learn from them. So it will be there for everyone's veiwing pleasure.

That being said there is an element of people on this website that do want to keep DMT "under the table" so to speak and not make it a household name. In other worsds they don't want the average person to know what DMT is. Such as LSD is a household name, but DMT is not, though it is getting there. I think my underground music lover analogy trying to prevent it from going mainstream is apt, however this might not have been the particular place to discuss that issue. I have read a few that seem to indicate they want to flag all DMT vids (a reaction seemingly based on what happened with salvia), though they seem to be the minority.

Trying to prevent a LEary-eque fiasco is the right thing to do.

All in all I wish I have chosen my words more carefully. I pride myself on being articulate and I fucked up, plain and simple. Essentially I do not agree with flagging campagins but I do understand why you are doing it. That being said most of the videos I have seen that people are flagging I feel are quite harmless, in my opinion. At least the few I have seen, a vast majority of the others have already been taken down so I don't know what was on them.

Either way this post is merely an apology. I will leave you to your work.
 
Differences of opinion are common enough around here. It's really about tone, and you already recognized that so I won't wave it around. Your humble apology is appreciated.

One of the laws of communication: if you want others to listen, particularly when your viewpoint is different from theirs, you need to make it attractive to listen. Easier said than done, of course, but you are clearly a smart enough person to do this. Believe me, I've had my share of rants. But they are mostly wasted words, whether I had a valid point or not.
 
Hey guys. I appreciate all the work here, and I am jumping on the flagging train. I want to help stop this abuse. It makes us look really bad when immature, disrespectful kids go on youtube and talk about this or do this.


These need to be flagged!!

"DMT diaries 1/4"
"DMT Diaries 2/4"
"DMT Diaries 3/4"
"DMT Diaries 4/4"

And this guy.... MHRB, lye, water, a "bi-polar solvent" HAHAHAHAHA Bi-polar solvent... okay.

How to make DMT""

Some more. "Adam Vs DMT"
Edit: I decided to take these off. It seems like he is not as bad as I first thought. I did a bit more research.
 
hostilis said:
Hey guys. I appreciate all the work here, and I am jumping on the flagging train. I want to help stop this abuse. It makes us look really bad when immature, disrespectful kids go on youtube and talk about this or do this.

Here are some vids.

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This one is just a kid talking about it, so I don't know.
girl talking about dmt

These need to be flagged!!

"DMT diaries 1/4"
"DMT Diaries 2/4"
"DMT Diaries 3/4"
"DMT Diaries 4/4"

And this guy.... MHRB, lye, water, a "bi-polar solvent" HAHAHAHAHA Bi-polar solvent... okay.

How to make DMT""

Some more. "Adam Vs DMT"

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As far as these vids go. I think the first one does send a bad message regarding DMT, and I really have no problem with it getting flagged. As to the people just telling their stories about their experience with DMT. What's wrong with that? They have every right to communicate their thoughts using YouTube as a medium. I don't think they deserve to get flagged, they're just telling their story. As far as the diaries go, if I remember it right I think the guy was outside and possibly in some locations that could be dangerous, so I have no problem with his videos getting flagged, as his activites seemed rather unsafe. If I remember the vids correctly. As for the How To Make DMT, I thought that video was hillarious "bipolar solvent", that's good shit, it's way too funny to get flagged (kidding). I think jibbering about a chemical extraction like that is not safe, and I don't see a problem with it getting flagged.

As to the Adam Vs the DMT. I know there are many mixed veiws out there but I just want to say that I really have no problem with him at all whatsoever. I think he is rather outspoken and articulate in his mission to try to change the status quo on people's perception of drugs. He is fighting to try to change how society veiws drugs and whether you like his personality or not, I think he's fighting the good fight. (I also respect Joe Rogan too, for this very reason) I honestly would like to see more people stand up for what they believe in on this matter and not be afraid to show the world a different side of things. Honestly I think flagging Adam is against the longterm goal of seeing drugs legalized. I don't think he is using DMT irresponsibly, therefore I don't think he should be flagged. Some may not like his personality, but I challenge them to take a step back and see what he is trying to accomplish with his videos. Shouldn't we only flag irresponsible videos? If you feel that Adam's DMT vids are irresponsible then that is up to you, but I personally don't.

As you can probably guess from my earlier posts that my tone was a bit more aggressive on this matter and quite over the top and outspoken, but I've wisened up a little in my time on here. Really I don't think we should flag people just telling their story (which they have every right to). However if their story is actively promoting unsafe use of the drug than I see no problem with such a video getting flagged. As the goal is to stop the irresponsible use of DMT. However if someone is using safely then I see no reason to flag the video as I think that does more harm than good to our cause. Likewise if someone is just telling a story as to how the drug effected them I certainly see no problem whatsoever, in fact I think that type of communication is what we encourage here on the Nexus. Just because the medium is YouTube, doesn't change whats being communicated. I think we need to try to see it from that perspective.

Either way my personal philosphy is one of freedom of expression and free speech, so I still will not participate in flagging. However as our goal is to promote the responsible use of psychedelics I see no harm in flagging blatantly irresponsible videos. So in that regard, Godspeed.

I just wanted to share my veiws on the matter, hopefully in a more thought out and articualte fashion than my lunatic rants several months ago.

Peace.
 
The first three I wasn't so sure about. That's why i kind of marked them saying I wasn't sure.

The one's I didn't like the most were the "DMT diaries" and the "How to make DMT" one. I just feel like it is putting out a bad message about it.

And in the "Adam Vs DMT" there is one video where he says that his face got raped with the truth of the universe. I don't like that image being out there. He also buys his spice from Silk Road. The online black market. That is not a very safe way to do it. Who knows what you're getting, and it can cause legal problems.

Though we may be able to understand some of these the general public will get a bad perspective when they hear stuff like this. You do not have to flag any of these by any means. I am going to continue to with the ones I feel necessary (people extracting on video. people smoking on video.)

I understand where you are coming from though.

The "bi-polar solvent" remark is quite funny, right? Hahaha. His solvent must have mood swings. He really doesn't have much of a clue about what he is saying from what it seems. I have very little knowledge of chemistry (enough to do the extractions) and I know what the terms polar and non polar solvents mean.

Everyone, feel free to choose if you want to flag the videos I post or not. They are basically suggestions.
 
hostilis said:
And in the "Adam Vs DMT" there is one video where he says that his face got raped with the truth of the universe. I don't like that image being out there. He also buys his spice from Silk Road. The online black market. That is not a very safe way to do it. Who knows what you're getting, and it can cause
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When it comes to the Silk Road my philosophy is that yes it can be dangerous, but it's a far better alternative than hustling the streets, as many psychonauts do. And while I know that the Silk Road goes against our creed if buying our selling drugs, I look at it from a different perspective. I've read economics articles on the Silk Road and how it legitimizes a black market economy in a way that forces countries to reevaluate their drug policy. Yes it can be dangerous as you don't know what you're getting, but it's a step in the right direction for a drug market as I've said the Silk Road legitimizes it and allows drugs to be seen as a marketable commodity, which makes it great for the ultimate goal of drug legalization, and I'm for that. Likewise it's safer than buying drugs on the streets. And this isn't just about DMT it's about all drugs, and while sure it's dangerous because you don't know what you're getting, but it's in a business model which means that if people selling the drugs want to stay in business they have incentive to make the best quality products. It's not like they can rely on ads to trick the public. That being said, I actually think talk of the Silk Road is a good thing.

Likewise as to the "raped by the universe" comment, I think it's rather humorous. it's just a rhetorical choice, I don't see anything threatening there. He's just expressing how he feels. So you don't like that image, fine but I don't think playing censor is appropriate just based on rhetorical choices. It's seems rather snobbish to play the censor like that, IMO. I've seen far more colorful analogies on these forums. I used the phrase "busting that hyperspace cherry" on my first trip report and that can be construed as vulgar. I don't think colorful descriptions warrant flagging. He also goes into detail about a trip which I think is helpful to people curious about DMT and I think he uses the drug safely.

Also I'm not trying to rehash my position, I really just wanted to address the Silk Road concern. I do understand your position though. I just think trying to go against Adam is shooting yourself in the foot, if you believe in the ultimate goal of drug legalization, if you don't believe in that then by all means.
 
Maybe I should look further into it.

I just saw him buying spice off the Silk Road then smoking it on youtube and it turned me off. But I looked more into it, and I decided to take his videos off my link.
 
i think it's well made and very cool, but i don't understand why they are mixing the lye in a bowl with the spice powder when it could more easily and safely be mixed in a closed container. also i don't think it's a good idea to have this on youtube as it's too accessible to the people that don't have to work at taking the necessary steps in harm reduction. just my thoughts... but i like it ;)

Also i don't understand why he using a baster to get some of the naphtha out when he has a separatory funnel? i'd use one or the other... he could just use a regular bottle and a baster.
 
I saw the Adam vs the DMT video and he took like 10 massive hits and was still moving around, hitting it more and the like, he must have had some weak spice! One or 2 big drags like that with some alien stuff and I would have been disembodied..................
 
I think these should be flagged.


In this second video you can see the skin peeling off this guys hand, I
would bet it's from the way he's handling the lye.

 
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