The perfect ayahuasca...

[TheCaterpillar]

So my last and only ayahuasca experiance was very mild and slightly stoning but not at all a true ayahuasca experience. I have a good bit of acacia confusa root bark powder left but I have no scale I read that 1.5 tablespoons is a lot and on my last brew I used 2 tablespoons yet it still was more like a level one mushroom trip than anything.

I am going to try my luck again this time using lemon juice concentrate with the water and not being impatient. On my last brew I boiled it with just water, no acid at all, I did it for 30 minutes and did 3 pulls, I used one cup of water for each pull and I boiled it. This time I am going to simmer it for 45 minutes each and not bring it to a full boil (i'm worried I burnt the active chemicals last time). I also ate half a tablespoon of syrian rue 30 minutes prior to drinking the aya I read that was the correct dose this time I will eat a full tablespoon to insure my success. I also used two egg whites last time, this time I will use one i'm not sure if the whites absorbed some of the actives.

Any advice is good advice I just would really like this to work out so if you spotted what I did wrong last time let me know. Im hoping it was just that I used straight water with no acidic stuff at all I did that because I hate vinegar and drinking it would suck but I read lemon concentrate works fine however I don't know the right amount to add so im just going to add one third of the bottle one for each simmer. Also can I add sugar the tea was not very pleasant and I figure sugar will help.

Much love :d

 

[3rdI]

you need to brew it properly, more water and more time brewing. have a read through the Aya sub-forum, everything is in there.

its also a good idea to get some scales so you know what your dealing with, taking to much can be horrific.

 

[ganesh]

So my last and only ayahuasca experiance was very mild and slightly stoning but not at all a true ayahuasca experience.

I wish to offer an Amazonian point of view.

1. 'Ayahuasca'? without vine, is NOT Ayahuasca. In the Amazon they are careful to focus on long brewing, and vine heavy content.

2. Ayahuasca should be used in a strict ceremonial manner and even when properly prepared will give you what you need, moreso than what you want.

3. It may take several ceremonies to remove junk and blocks from your body and mind before it really get's visual, and may in some cases 'not seem to work', (although it most certainly is).

Also...

Hello Caterpillar. I've read your other post about your bad experiences with shroom experiences, and really ask you to read as much as you can about safe set and setting, and also DOSAGE. This is extremely important!

You seem to be in a rush to experience something that you have very little understanding of. Start small and work up, and take time to integrate. Read up on this stuff! Entheogens aren't necessarily fun either, and i strongly suggest that you sort out in your own mind if your intentions are fun and colours, or deep healing first. True deep healing often isn't fun. You may even want to put off drinking Ayahuasca untill you really have done a lot more research, teacher plants are not to be taken lightly, and this is much more than 'tripping'.

Let me further explain by what i mean: Ayahuasca can Spiritually 'open you up', far more than other Entheogens, and there is a real possability of spiritual posession and other nasties if you don't prepare your sacred space correctly. Basically this means that if you're not careful with what you are doing, you could come out worse than you went in. This is why it is SO important to do research into it before messing about with these Spiritual realms, and often why a Shaman is involved in rituals, having already dieted a whole host of other plants and learnt protective icaros, etc, etc.

I'm not trying to scare you off, but warning you that this isn't something to rush into, or take lightly.

 

[Just Say Know]

So my last and only ayahuasca experiance was very mild and slightly stoning but not at all a true ayahuasca experience.

I wish to offer an Amazonian point of view.

1. 'Ayahuasca'? without vine, is NOT Ayahuasca. In the Amazon they are careful to focus on long brewing, and vine heavy content.

2. Ayahuasca should be used in a strict ceremonial manner and even when properly prepared will give you what you need, moreso than what you want.

3. It may take several ceremonies to remove junk and blocks from your body and mind before it really get's visual, and may in some cases 'not seem to work', (although it most certainly is).

Also...

Hello Caterpillar. I've read your other post about your bad experiences with shroom experiences, and really ask you to read as much as you can about safe set and setting, and also DOSAGE. This is extremely important!

You seem to be in a rush to experience something that you have very little understanding of. Start small and work up, and take time to integrate. Read up on this stuff! Entheogens aren't necessarily fun either, and i strongly suggest that you sort out in your own mind if your intentions are fun and colours, or deep healing first. True deep healing often isn't fun. You may even want to put off drinking Ayahuasca untill you really have done a lot more research, teacher plants are not to be taken lightly, and this is much more than 'tripping'.

Let me further explain by what i mean: Ayahuasca can Spiritually 'open you up', far more than other Entheogens, and there is a real possability of spiritual posession and other nasties if you don't prepare your sacred space correctly. Basically this means that if you're not careful with what you are doing, you could come out worse than you went in. This is why it is SO important to do research into it before messing about with these Spiritual realms, and often why a Shaman is involved in rituals, having already dieted a whole host of other plants and learnt protective icaros, etc, etc.

I'm not trying to scare you off, but warning you that this isn't something to rush into, or take lightly.

^ Very Lovely!

I feel like when i first started i too was in a rush to reach the profound and mystical. I too have had the same experience that TheCaterpillar had, at first it was a disappointment. However, as i tried it two more times those "mild" experience carried far greater importance. So far i have had 3 doses, all of them mild and non visual. As i experience aya more it seems that i can go a little deeper each time. My most recent experience was yesterday and it was definitely an important experience. I don't feel that cosmic change yet where my perspective trandscends into the universe but i am very grateful for the experiences i've had.

As for the "perfect" aya experience realize that almost any psychedelic is a bottomless pit. It all depends on the set and the setting. And yeah, sometimes you don't get "alot" out of your experiences but you do definitely get something and with aya (or ana/aya analogues to be more specific) you don't always get what you expect.

I think that's why you shouldn't expect anything, because anything could happen. you could have a "level one shroom trip", a ride to hell, or even the most amazing and inter personal experience of your life. Just take the journey one step at a time man

 

[TheCaterpillar]

Im not useing it like that though its more for fun, curiosity, and a little bit because it seems like there's a connection to the other side and that's interesting to me. If I was using it for spiritual reasons I would visit the amazon or something. Im not doing it to get high though its more for personal curiosity than anything. After doing a substantial amount of reading some things I did would have offended the brew (this is from a shamanistic standpoint not science) I did not clearly state my intentions or spend loving time with it. I kinda just cooked it up like ramen noodles :? That would have offended me if I was a mystical plant god. But this time I will handle it with care love and affection. Im also going to play it some sacred music and have my ganesh statue nearby. Im not sure if any of that will help but who knows.

 

[Just Say Know]

^ Intentions get as good as they get when they are honest and questioned. I think you'll have good experiences to come, just take it one step at a time and i think the things you listed are good ideas. I'm not an expert but i do have collective knowledge thankfully to the websites that have extended effort to just saying know to these substances and reporting on their effects, experimenting with their preperations, and generally trying to provide accurate information on many of these psychoactive plants and other substances.

I also recommend reading experience reports, just to see how other people view it. I recommend erowid, ayahuasca forums, and the nexus

 

[travsha]

A few things.... Vinegar is better then lemon juice - lemon leaves a gross flavor, but vinegar will cook off and you wont taste it. One spoonful of vinegar is enough for your entire batch (put it in the first wash).

Boil your brew! Maybe it is different with the ingredients you are using, but if you are using actual Ayahuasca vine then I know you need to boil the water to really get out the alkaloids - the vine is just too woody and dense otherwise..... You wont kill the actives with a light boil.

Boil way longer! Do 3 hour washes instead of 30 min washes!

You get out what you put in. If it sounds like too much work to really take your time with this medicine, then she isnt the right medicine for you.... She is much more intense then other psychedelics in my experience. Not every time is more intense, but after a few deeper ceremonies you will know what I mean.... She can really kick your ass in a scary way!

BTW - if you are drinking rue and acacia, then the rue is your substitute for Ayahuasca. Acacia is not Ayahuasca, but is your substitute for chacruna/chaliponga. Good to understand these things.

If you stay dedicated to this plant, she will test you and challenge you, but she will reward you as well. You will learn to love her in time