The Sandwich

[dogga94]

Ok so ive been researching the sandwich method as the meth pipe and the machine have failed me.

But there is so many variations and details to it. Ash sandwich, weed sandwich, half sandwich, parsley sandwich, mixed ash ect.

Which one works the best and would a bic or a torch lighter work better for this? Also with herb apparently you want the thin layer to cherry. Wouldnt this be well above the dmt vape point and just burn it straight away?

 

[3rdI]

welcome to the Nexus dogga94, good to have you.

I would sack off the sandwich and go for some infused herb.

The sandwich method can work well but its a bit of a faff, infused herb is easy, you just load it up spark it and boooom your done.

a bic lighter will be fine for this method

 

[DreaMTripper]

Im told a bit of weed then some spice melted into it then a tiny amount of tobacco on top works great in a bong with no water failing that a blt

 

[3rdI]

hello DreaMTripper, why no water?

Having water in the bong keeps the smoke smooth and cool and doesn't take away from the effect IME.

have you noticed a difference between water and no water?

 

[changalvia]

Try screens / ash / spice / ash

Torch it from a distance and bring closer til you see vapors

Water works, altho I'm suspect it cools the vapor and encourages recrystallising on the bongs intrior

 

[Sykosis]

In my and many other peoples experience, have found that cannabis tends to keep you somewhat grounded.

Try making some infused herb as stated above or put 4-7 screens in the bottom of your preferred bowl then make an ash sandwich.

If you can afford it I'd recommend getting a GVG personally.

 

[dogga94]

See this is what im talking about, 5 completely different replies. Do all these methods work as well as each other?

 

[rickbreda]

See this is what im talking about, 5 completely different replies. Do all these methods work as well as each other?

Actually you just have 3 different answers:

1. Try infused herb. Either with weed or with another herb as you please. And either with water (if you like cool smoke and don't care if there could be a little bit of spice lost) or without water (if you do care if some spice can be lost). This way you can use a normal Bic-lighter.
(if this method interest you, there is a lot of information available on this forum and on the wiki about infused herb)

2. Sandwich with a layer of 4-7 screens, ash, spice, ash. You can use a torch lighter and bring the lighter closer and closer until you see the vapors.

3. If you can afford it, buy a GVG.

The answer to your specific question seems to be: use 4-7 screens, ash and a torch lighter. However, also consider trying the other methods. Perhaps you'll like the other suggested methods more.
Good luck!

 

[3rdI]

See this is what im talking about, 5 completely different replies. Do all these methods work as well as each other?

there are many ways to skin a cat. try each method and see which one works for you.

 

[○]

Infused leaf all the way.

Take said amount of DMT, say 500mg. Dissolve in 150 proof alcohol or higher or dissolve in 91% IPA or higher. Stir. Add your leaf of choice, say cannabis. Add 500mg cannabis to the ISO/500mg DMT dish. Stir 3-4 times every half hour or so. Let it sit several days to completely evaporate leaving a dry or lightly sticky infused herb. You now have a 1:1 ratio'd DMT:herb, hence the 500mg leaf : 500mg DMT.

With infused leaf, you just cherry it, drag slow, take 2-3 hits and thats's all she wrote. It's just like smoking any herb. That easy.

much love,
tat

 

[dogga94]

Does enhanced leaf give any real advantages for all dat waiting time. Like all its really doing is evenly distributing it in the herb, or does it actually help vaping

 

[3rdI]

Does enhanced leaf give any real advantages for all dat waiting time. Like all its really doing is evenly distributing it in the herb, or does it actually help vaping

all that waiting??? it only takes a day tops, patience is a virtue my friend

it makes the DMT easier to handle and it protect the DMT somewhat. Give it a whirl you will love it.

 

[○]

Does enhanced leaf give any real advantages for all dat waiting time. Like all its really doing is evenly distributing it in the herb, or does it actually help vaping

All that waiting time? :?

Infused leaf is just like it sounds, the dmt 'infuses' within the leaf material, hence being protected from direct flame (to a degree). Just light it and go.

much love,
tat

 

[DoingKermit]

I have to suggest infused leaf too... or go one further and use caapi leaf for some delicious changa!

 

[DeDao]

In a water pipe, this method will work:

Screen, then first layer of herb (about 1-2cm thick. Just enough to catch DMT good dripping down), then layer of DMT, whether that is goo or crystals, then another layer above the DMT(just enough to cover the DMT).

When lighting, hardly tap the lighter to the first layer of herbs and bring away quickly. Let it cherry and run it's course. Take hit and fill 75-90% of your lungs; Hold for 10-20 seconds.

Relight same way.

If you understand what I am saying and can follow the directions you can most certainly get a very large dose and burn the DMT correctly with this method.

Good luck and safe travels my friend.

 

[arcologist]

I'll also recommend enhanced leaf (in a bong), it's become my preferred way to travel because it's more reliable than other methods. Plus, it's easy to handle and less sensitive to burning, and won't leave as much nasty residue in your smoking device as the sandwich.

I use mullein leaf in a 2:1 dmt:leaf ratio (strong!), using evaporated acetone. I found that lower ratios than that make me have to smoke more leaf than I'd really like, though it can be harder to cherry the strong leaf. It literally takes 6 hours at most to prepare if you use a minimal amount of acetone for your leaf.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I am curious as to how the machine has failed you? I have never heard of someone having a sub-par experience using the machine. But, everyone is different.

I too could never get the glass bulb type vaporizers to work well for me, but other handheld vapes have always been my preference. The best ones I have found have been the GVG and the Original Essential VAAAPP. The nice thing about the latter is that it uses glass vials for the vaporizing chamber, allowing a person to vaporize directly out of a storage vial. This eliminates the small amount that is almost always lost when transferring from storage to ingestion device.

That being said, as many others have stated, I would definitely recommend changa over sammiches any day. I hope you find something that works for you! Best of luck!

 

[dogga94]

well I tried the sandwich method with 50mg but I rocketed so quickly that I couldnt finish the bowl after 1 hit. I got to the point where I could feel my body slipping away but no more than that. I also didn't get many "visuals" as i would on most psychedelics, like coloured patterns. There was a little but not much there is this normal? Like it was the most intense ripping and reality shattering experience but there wasnt really many fractals?

Anyway ive about 100-120mg infusing into some peppermint since thats all i got left so im going to try that soon.

 

[anrchy]

50mg dose? Why so much?

 

[universecannon]

Changa or infused leaf in a water bong is the best route i've found. Sandwiching the dmt between some herbs (like mullien) works find to. Freebase in a vapor genie is good as well